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Google Claims a 'Hostile, Organized Campaign Against Android'

Zaim2 said:
Judging from the date, those are for the Novell patents, not the Nortel patents, where Apple, MSFT, RIM etc bandied together in secret.
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You didn't read the article carefully. The Google VP used both Novell and Nortel patents as evidence of all the competition doing an "organized campaign" to keep Google away from the patents. Microsoft destroyed the conspiracy theory by proving that Microsoft had asked Google to join in.

Plus, we already know Apple and MS weren't together in the beginning for the Nortel bidding which means the process was far from an "organized campaign" like the Google VP claimed. Google did the exactly the same thing with Intel and somehow that's not "banding together." You cannot rewrite history of recent events to make you look like a singled out bullied school kid when you were one of the bullies yourself.
 
Durendal said:
Blaa lalalalalalalala....

Google has far cleaner hands on the patent abuse front than Apple. To deny this is to be a raging fanboy without independent thinking skills. I like Apple products. I own many Apple products. But I'm not going to pretend that they're somehow a glowing example of the perfect company and that they can do no wrong, because they aren't, and they do. A lot.
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https://twitter.com/#!/BradSmi/status/98902130412355585
 
Google needs to come to terms with the fact that Android is RUBBISH! It was created solely to collect customer information. The world's biggest search engine wasn't enough for Google. Android is not going to go far. It's a terrible service, with terrible devices and a terrible app store! I bought a Samsung Galaxy S earlier this year to test out Android and hated every minute of using it. Not only that the Samsung device was nothing like the adverts said, but also because Android was disappointingly ****.
 
Mark my words. Android will not last long. HTC is crumbling very quickly. It's getting more and more difficult to produce Android products because of companies like Apple and Microsoft trying to stop the corrupt service that is Android. It's not going to last. Android will be a distant memory laughed at in ten years.



:apple: fanboy
 
LOL at whoever said that Google doesn't innovate.

Google search (including their algorithms)
Google cache
GMail
Google ads
Google Maps/Earth/Sky
Google Voice
Google Voice recognition (crowd-sourced)
Google Video (which came out before YouTube)
etc.......

Apple, on the other hand, has had precisely 3 original ideas in the past 10 years.
iPhone, iPad, iTunes.

Everything else (facetime, etc) was done better by other people before Apple tried it.
 
fertilized-egg said:
You didn't read the article carefully. The Google VP used both Novell and Nortel patents as evidence of all the competition doing an "organized campaign" to keep Google away from the patents. Microsoft destroyed the conspiracy theory by proving that Microsoft had asked Google to join in.

Plus, we already know Apple and MS weren't together in the beginning for the Nortel bidding which means the process was far from an "organized campaign" like the Google VP claimed. Google did the exactly the same thing with Intel and somehow that's not "banding together." You cannot rewrite history of recent events to make you look like a singled out bullied school kid when you were one of the bullies yourself.
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Just because Microsoft originally asked to team up with Google does not mean that Microsoft didn't later decide to team up with Apple against Google.

Say what you want about Google 'banding together', but the proof is in the pudding. Google isn't the one going around suing every single competitor they can.
 
boss.king said:
Google 'Axiotron Modbook' and then try tell me nothing looked like the iPad before 2010.
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Nothing looked like the iPad before 2010.

The Axiotron Modbook looks like every other failed attempt at a tablet before the iPad - a bulky screen, a pen for input, running a desktop OS.
 
Tarzanman said:
Just because Microsoft originally asked to team up with Google does not mean that Microsoft didn't later decide to team up with Apple against Google.
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The evidence indicates otherwise. If Google was right, then Apple and Microsoft would've teamed up for Nortel patent from the beginning of the bidding process after joining their forces for the Novell patents. But that did not happen. That and the fact MS originally asked Google to join in, invalidates the Google VP's argument that there's a conspiracy theory against Google.


Durendal said:
I'm not going to pretend that they're somehow a glowing example of the perfect company and that they can do no wrong, because they aren't, and they do. A lot.
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The main difference between Google and others: Google pretends it's a perfect company, or at least one with some high altruistic motives and many people actually buy that, Apple and Microsoft don't. Just look at the number of people who buy the idea that Google is all for the openness of ideas and technology because they want some good for the humanity.
 
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faroZ06 said:
That's not a grid like on the iPhone at all, if you are trying to say that Apple copied that. I'm not sure how to explain it, but the whole look is different. The iPhone and Droid both have the same type of design with a rectangular grid.
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That's ok, Android's homescreen doesn't have a grid of icons either. You're talking about the app launcher, not the homescreen. You can put icons on the home screen, but it's not fundamentally limited to icons like the iOS springboard is.

Seriously, the "blatant copying" comments are mostly "blatant ignorance" on the part of posters. Android works differently from iOS on many fronts and offers tons of features iOS doesn't.
 
Google is full of ****!

Microsoft responded briefly to Google’s Android patent accusations on Wednesday.

Google claimed on Wednesday that Apple and Microsoft had “jumped into bed together” to wager a patent war against Android. The search giant’s chief legal officer, David Drummond highlighted Microsoft’s recent purchase of Novell’s old patents in part of a group known as CPTN. CPTN’s members include Microsoft, Apple, Oracle and EMC. Google believes that Android’s success has created an organized campaign against Android by Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and others through patents. “This anti-competitive strategy is also escalating the cost of patents way beyond what they’re really worth,” claimed Drummond on Wednesday.

Microsoft’s general counsel, Brad Smith, responded to Google’s claims in a Twitter message on Wednesday. “Google says we bought Novell patents to keep them from Google. Really? We asked them to bid jointly with us. They said no,” said Smith. TechCrunch reports that Frank Shaw, Microsoft’s communications chief, also followed up with a Twitter message with some advice for Google employee David Drummond. “Free advice for David Drummond – next time check with Kent Walker before you blog. ” Shaw also attached an email from Google’s General Counsel, sent to Brad Smith on October 28, 2010:

Brad –

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you — I came down with a 24-hour bug on the way back from San Antonio. After talking with people here, it sounds as though for various reasons a joint bid wouldn’t be advisable for us on this one. But I appreciate your flagging it, and we’re open to discussing other similar opportunities in the future.

I hope the rest of your travels go well, and I look forward to seeing you again soon.

– Kent
 
Is this not the definition of competition? The "underdogs" will always gang up on the leader... this isn't and shouldn't be a surprise.

Google's just trying to cry to the federal regulators in order to mitigate damage, when in fact they had an equally opportune moment to purchase said patents, as per: this tweet. (Also see above post) It's their own faults they didn't get any IP, and likewise it would have been Apple's fault if they didn't play ball with the other companies. I'm sure Google didn't ask to bid with Apple or others either, and only ended up with their party once the **** hit the fan. Of course, even if they didn't play ball, it's still their fault-- the patents were for sale, so they could have out-purchased their competitors. It sounds like their problem.

As per all the patent stifles innovation people... yeah, no. Take a look at China and all the "innovation" that goes over there due to their wonderful (nonexistent) IP laws... that's what I thought. Truth of the matter is that no company will spend money on R&D if they can just be copied a week after spending 1bn on a new product or technology. IP ensures that those investments are retained for an allocated period of time so that the company does not incur a loss over immediate copying from competitors.
 
JarScott said:
Mark my words. Android will not last long. HTC is crumbling very quickly. It's getting more and more difficult to produce Android products because of companies like Apple and Microsoft trying to stop the corrupt service that is Android. It's not going to last. Android will be a distant memory laughed at in ten years.



:apple: fanboy
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Wow, sorry pal but you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. HTC has had their sales increase and smash estimates quarter after quarter lately and their income is skyrocketing as well. Google's marketshare has been steadily increasing quarter after quarter with the exception of one recent quarter where it stayed flat, and if I remember correctly, their global smartphone OS share is at 48% with over 500,000 activations per day.

I love Apple as much as the next but please quit gargling Jobs' balls.
 
colinmack said:
Nothing looked like the iPad before 2010.

The Axiotron Modbook looks like every other failed attempt at a tablet before the iPad - a bulky screen, a pen for input, running a desktop OS.
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What about Nokia's line of Maemo tablets that have been shipping since around 2005 ? Those weren't running a desktop OS.
 
Pardon?

I think they would have had a bit more success with the "everybody's picking on poor little us" routine 5 odd years ago when people still had respect for Google, but you'd have to be pretty dumb to fall for it now...
 
KnightWRX said:
What about Nokia's line of Maemo tablets that have been shipping since around 2005 ? Those weren't running a desktop OS.
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If you mean the old Nokia 770 and its successors, they were nothing like iOS. They felt more like a love child of Windows and Palm OS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzSRZfq0u0w


JoJoCal19 said:
I love Apple as much as the next but please quit gargling Jobs' balls.
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One thing I never understood: expressing love for Google at worst makes you a Fandroid or simply a Google fanboy whereas just showing a bit of bias towards Apple can conjure up all sorts personal insults based on sexual innuendos involving Steve Jobs and suicide cults.
 
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fertilized-egg said:
If you mean the old Nokia 770 and its successors, they were nothing like iOS. They felt more like a love child of Windows and Palm OS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzSRZfq0u0w
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Yes, I am talking about Maemo and the hardware it ran on. BTW, iOS is a lovechild of OS X and all other mobile OSes before it, so I don't get your point really...

Mobile OSes are simply OSes with a GUI fit for a smaller device with different input mechanisms than mouse and keyboard. They are not intrinsically different from their "desktop" or "server" siblings at the kernel and userspace infrastructure level.

Maemo isn't like iOS just like Android isn't like iOS just like WebOS isn't like iOS.
 
thetexan said:
If technology patents were "real-world" we'd see patents on things like doors (a device used to temporarily open a solid structure to allow the passage of items).

We need patent reform when it comes to technology and we need it soon.
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There are over 1000 "approved" patents that all amount to different ways of describing exactly what a toaster does.

Here's a "this american life" story on patent trolls.
 
KnightWRX said:
BTW, iOS is a lovechild of OS X and all other mobile OSes before it, so I don't get your point really...

Mobile OSes are simply OSes with a GUI fit for a smaller device with different input mechanisms than mouse and keyboard..
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You're either changing the subject or not grasping the point of contention here. Prior to iOS most of the GUIs involved clumsy stylus based interface that was made to replace mouse with pin point accuracy like Apple's very own Newton, Palm, Maemo and Windows Mobile. Even when they had finger touch, the lack of multitouch and physics-based controls such as rubberband effect and inertial scrolling made things difficult to operate. For example, using the zoom button to zoom in and out of a website instead of using pinch.

I don't buy the argument that Apple invented a lot of stuff but I think it's also folly to argue that Apple didn't completely transform the GUI market.
 
fertilized-egg said:
You're either changing the subject or not grasping the point of contention here. Prior to iOS most of the GUIs involved clumsy stylus based interface ...
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That's because hardware it ran on was style based, resistive touch screens. Apple entered the market right as capacitative screens were becoming both affordable and usable.

And a stylus GUI and the iOS springboard aren't that different really... I'm not changing the subject, I'm not getting your point at all. Grid of icons work with a mouse, with a stylus or with touch. Apple brought gestures with the use of capacitative touch screens, but those hail from mouse gestures and eventually touch pad based gestures. They were just applied to a touch model.

Maemo still wasn't a "desktop OS" and ran on tablet hardware pre-iPad. Hence your point that the iPad was completely new and unheard of is quite wrong in my own view.

Apple builds on the shoulders of giants. Don't ever think that isn't the case. And they are very good at doing it. They take what is out there, package it in a nice format that is both usually intuitive and well designed and sell it. But they rarely invent stuff out of nowhere.
 
Let me correct this for you Mr Drummond :

Patents were meant to encourage innovation, which we blatantly rip off in our self-proclaimed contributions to the tech industry.
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