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Google Claims Apple Follows Its Lead in Smartphone Innovation: 'We Take It As a Compliment'

RCS is worth having, but it would make Apple less secure in their domination of what makes iPhone iPhone.

I remember iChat being able to handle a number of message protocols and then, iMessage arrived and iChat went away. Trillian, on Windows, is probably less important these days, as well.

I don't care who first makes the technology work. Every device should probably have some alternative. I'd never heard of Car Crash Detection but I thought of Apple Watch calling 911 when someone fell and couldn't respond.

Whether I'm using Android or iOS, just make it work well. iOS is generally good. Android needs some work. Google and Apple need to test the hell out of their software.
 
Another day, another news article about Apple's crash detection, even if it's for the wrong reasons.

Wake me up when they extend the same coverage to Google's own implementation of said feature.

Like I said, it's sad that the only way competitors can get any sort of publicity of their own features is by claiming that Apple copied them first, not by these features hitting the news by actually doing something useful.
 
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PhilJustRidingAlong said:
RCS is a Google product and is only really supported by US Carriers. I do think I read recently these carriers fell out with Google over RCS, so not sure if that has been resolved.

In the UK is not supported and I also believe it is not supported in other countries.

Would I want my messages going through a Google controlled message service, no I dont think so.
The company whose mantra used to be 'Dont do evil', funny how that worked out.

So I do not see why I Apple would be interested.

Not having RCS has not stopped me sending messages to people using Android.
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It’s not a Google product…..

Rich Communication Services - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
russell_314 said:
Let us know how it goes. I think if I was going to buy an android phone, the Pixel would be the one. I’m not too sure about that watch but it might be good.
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Yes I will do that - I will compare it to the iPhone 14 Pro max and the AppleWatch Ultra I own.
I am not sure what is better for me - but Google looks promising.
 
Except ya know the part about the former CEO sitting on the board of Apple and noting everything Apple was doing on iphone and then runnning off and creating Android. But that’s all water under the bridge now (Steve Jobs never forgave him for that betrayal).
 
Abazigal said:
There’s also the burning question - just how well does Google’s own implementation of crash detection work as well? So far, we have quite a few YouTube videos stress-testing said feature, plus at least one news report of it working as intended. Can’t say I have heard likewise for Google.
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I believe that’s because if Google’s version works well or doesn’t, that’s not going to bring a lot of eyes to a website. However, Apple’s version of anything will usually be tested within the first week it’s officially available because Apple stories drive a HUGE amount of traffic. Videos even more so.
 
redheeler said:
It's rare that I agree with Google on anything but Apple should adopt RCS.
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Apple can’t adopt it before the carriers do. And the US carriers have already said, “No” so that’s the end of that. There are some international carriers that use it, but the numbers of messages over WhatsApp internationally dwarfs the number of messages sent by RCS by a huge margin. The world outside of the US have already pretty much settled on using WhatsApp over RCS and SMS/MMS (with the latter being relegated to password resets and appointment reminders). The US is the only area that hasn’t and Google’s attempt at making Google RCS a thing is primarily to get people on it before even the US starts using WhatsApp. The US is Google’s last stand (notice no international advertising or pleas for folks to use Google RCS)… or should I say latest out of over 10 stands. :)
 
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if you only Google came out with an iPhone and iMessage before Apple...if only they would have lead Apple there. Don't worry. Apple takes it as compliment too.

But, in all seriousness, good for competition that Google beat Apple to some things.
 
tranceme said:
if you only Google came out with an iPhone and iMessage before Apple...if only they would have lead Apple there. Don't worry. Apple takes it as compliment too.
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They kinda came up with messaging prior to Apple. And over 10 more times since then. They just aren’t very good at defining or carrying out a messaging vision. Even this most recent one is basically “folks in the US need an option” when folks in the US have the same plethora of options as the rest of the world. The US is the only place that, in the face of myriad ways to communicate between iOS and Android, has a number of folks that demand to use a carrier’s network to communicate.
 
tranceme said:
if you only Google came out with an iPhone and iMessage before Apple...if only they would have lead Apple there. Don't worry. Apple takes it as compliment too.

But, in all seriousness, good for competition that Google beat Apple to some things.
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Google could also boast about the sheer number of messaging apps they have released compared to Apple’s paltry one offering.
 
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Musocat said:
lol google's entire device business is based on following Apple. If not for Apple, their phone would look like what they originally copied: Blackberry.
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Right, because nobody else in the world would have come up with a device like this except Apple 🙄
 
LD517 said:
Right, because nobody else in the world would have come up with a device like this except Apple 🙄
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I'm sure they would have eventually, but they didn't. Blackberry, Symbian, PalmOS (both 5 and the virtually unused 6), and Windows Mobile were all years behind what iOS 1.0 did. They had some features iOS 1.0 didn't have, such as copy & paste, but both their low levels were more limited (for example, Windows Mobile was still CE-based, and Symbian was an evolution of the EPOC embedded OS), as was their high-level interaction model. At a technical level, everything would've needed a rewrite.

That's why Windows Phone 8 couldn't be done as an in-place upgrade for Windows Phone 7 phones; it moved from CE to NT and was thus entirely different under the hood. It's why Blackberry needed a rewrite between 7 and 10. It's why Symbian basically gave up. And why Palm, having more or less canceled the BeOS-derived PalmOS 6, moved to the completely different webOS.

None of the pre-iPhone OSes were modern enough to compete.
 
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chucker23n1 said:
I'm sure they would have eventually, but they didn't. Blackberry, Symbian, PalmOS (both 5 and the virtually unused 6), and Windows Mobile were all years behind what iOS 1.0 did. They had some features iOS 1.0 didn't have, such as copy & paste, but both their low levels were more limited (for example, Windows Mobile was still CE-based, and Symbian was an evolution of the EPOC embedded OS), as was their high-level interaction model. At a technical level, everything would've needed a rewrite.
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Additionally, the timing had to be very close to what it was. The iPhone came around about the time that Cingular was looking for something to set them apart from the other carriers. If Cingular had been in a more competitive position, they, like the other carriers, may have said “No” to Apple’s (or anyone’s) demands. Apple’s need plus Cingular’s need led to Cingular making concessions on what were, at the time, sure fire ways to make money in the US on cellular phones… forcing users to email songs to play (instead of synching with computers), charging princely sums for paltry data amounts (instead of providing unlimited data) among other things.

Taken in full, there’s a lot to the idea that only Apple could have done this because everyone else, carriers, cell phone manufacturers and computer makers, were looking the other way and may have just kept looking that way (because “that way” historically for them was quite profitable).
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
Taken in full, there’s a lot to the idea that only Apple could have done this because everyone else, carriers, cell phone manufacturers and computer makers, were looking the other way and may have just kept looking that way (because “that way” historically for them was quite profitable.
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Yeah, that's easy to forget these days.

I'm still a bit grumbly that iOS 16 still shows the carrier name in the top left*, but we've come a long way from the pre-iPhone era, where carriers had physical branding on the phone, insisted on pre-installed apps, etc.

*) there's no technical reason for this. It's about as important to me than my Wi-Fi SSID, which also doesn't show in the status bar, or my IP address, or the SoC generation, or the current time in Singapore. At best, it's "tradition"; at worst, it's a carrier concession.
 
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lazyrighteye said:
Totally agree.
Mentioning your competition smells a bit of desperatation. If a company truly believes in their offering, they’ll speak only of their offering. Anything different sows subconscious seeds of doubt. Fracturing the foundation. Eventually leading to more serious issues.
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That’s not true at all. Where do you get stuff like that from?
 
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H2SO4 said:
That’s not true at all. Where do you get stuff like that from?
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Generally understood that mentioning your competition was essentially free advertising for your competition. In the last 40 years, competitors generally still don’t mention the competition BUT according to the article below, there are more companies willing to risk it due to social media like Twitter.
www.americanexpress.com

Should Your Ads Mention Your Competitors By Name?

Taco Bell's recent attack on McDonald's breakfast offerings could be a template for your next marketing campaign.
www.americanexpress.com www.americanexpress.com

So, it WAS true but may be trending depending on how these recent experience t’s go. I’d also imagine, from the article that it’s also related to how well known both companies are. Samsung is advertising for the iPhone when they mention the iPhone, but the target market may already be well saturated with folks that know about the iPhone.
 
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LD517 said:
The Prada would like to have a word with you….

It was already happening when Apple released the iPhone 🙄
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This is GREAT! Because this is one of those universes where Apple was beaten to the market by a competitor that comes really close to the form factor and we can see how well they did!
www.engadget.com

LG has reportedly stopped making smartphones

The company still had contracts to fulfill after announcing plans to shut down its mobile business.
www.engadget.com www.engadget.com
Ah… well… I’m off to find the universe where… I don’t know, IBM created the first smartphone :)
www.weforum.org

IBM created the world's first smartphone 25 years ago

Almost three decades after the Simon phone was introduced, consumer demand for new-generation smartphone devices is slowing down.
www.weforum.org www.weforum.org
THAT was this universe, TOO?

It’s starting to look like there were a number of companies prior to Apple in this universe that had an opportunity to come up with a device like Apple and none did.
 
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