Google Claims That Apple Did Reject Google Voice iPhone Application

[hanpa]

There may be an email client in most phones today but:
By far the largest group of people that use MMS are the younger crowd (teenagers in high school and below, maybe even some college). This is also the group that is the least likely to have a smartphone with an expensive data plan. Sending emails isn't an option for most teenagers. And even you were lucky enough to have a data plan in high school, most (if not all) of your friends didn't (believe me, I was there two years ago).

According to the data plans in my country, the cost of sending an email from the mobile phone is much lower than sending an MMS. And all data plans I know of include basic internet use such as sending email. You don't need a smartphone, you'll find it hard to find a mobile phone without an email client. But this may be different in your country.

 

[SactoGuy18]

I think right now the FTC and the Justice Department may be quietly looking over what Google, Apple and AT&T said in their statements on the rejection of the Google Voice app.

If we find out that Apple and AT&T conspired together to reject the Google Voice app, that is a MAJOR violation of the 1890 Sherman Antitrust Act and could lead to some pretty serious legal action from the Feds--and the Feds could also go after Apple at the same time for the tight tie-in between the iPod portable media player and the iTunes software, too.

 

[hiimamac]

Hahahahahaha why am I not surprised?

Apple says I has not been rejected. Translation, we just need to find out how to cripple wi fi and free texting even though texts uses nonband with (google it) so after 1 year loyal AT&T customer, after seeing price of Tom Tom, I jail broke my 3G and now have:
Video Recording
Free Teethering
a program that scrolls up and down quick for web pages, you know instead of having to scroll scroll scroll 4 ever to get down a forum page.
Tom Tom Free which depending on when issues ironed out I may purchase.
Flash player browser.
Ability to autoinstall apps for free.
Ability to get into my var/etc sections of my phone.
Five rows of icons per page or I could use 8 if I wanted
ability yo use many vool themes, some are really cool.
One touch to pull up settings.
When phone on lock and I hit button I get latest weather, emails, news, missed calls and missed text messages, free.
Free mms although haven't played enough with it. The teethering is awesome as it's faster than my wives moms dsl.
3G unrestrictor which tricks iTunes into thinking 3g is wifi.
Ability to run anything in the background, example streaming baseball game, hold down home button, it's on, now I can browse the web or do anything I want.
And of course, GV Mobile. Just waiting for my invite which should be coming soon.
Really guys, it's worth at first I was like I don't know, it seems technical but was not, once you install a fee apps, it becomes easy, really easy, espcially the jail breaking just make sure you're not running 3.1 as that's not out yet plus I can sell this phone for more than $500, in fact was offered $650 which i turned down only because I fear all the iPhones in the store are probably at 3.1 now. My apple friends could tell me I guess as the serial changes.


Anyway, highly recommend and cyndia:icy will become your itunes app store in a way.

Peace.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Apple says I has not been rejected. Translation, we just need to find out how to cripple wi fi and free texting even though texts uses nonband with (google it) so after 1 year loyal AT&T customer, after seeing price of Tom Tom, I jail broke my 3G and now have:
Video Recording
Free Teethering
a program that scrolls up and down quick for web pages, you know instead of having to scroll scroll scroll 4 ever to get down a forum page.
Tom Tom Free which depending on when issues ironed out I may purchase.
Flash player browser.
Ability to autoinstall apps for free.
Ability to get into my var/etc sections of my phone.
Five rows of icons per page or I could use 8 if I wanted
ability yo use many vool themes, some are really cool.
One touch to pull up settings.
When phone on lock and I hit button I get latest weather, emails, news, missed calls and missed text messages, free.
Free mms although haven't played enough with it. The teethering is awesome as it's faster than my wives moms dsl.
3G unrestrictor which tricks iTunes into thinking 3g is wifi.
Ability to run anything in the background, example streaming baseball game, hold down home button, it's on, now I can browse the web or do anything I want.
And of course, GV Mobile. Just waiting for my invite which should be coming soon.
Really guys, it's worth at first I was like I don't know, it seems technical but was not, once you install a fee apps, it becomes easy, really easy, espcially the jail breaking just make sure you're not running 3.1 as that's not out yet plus I can sell this phone for more than $500, in fact was offered $650 which i turned down only because I fear all the iPhones in the store are probably at 3.1 now. My apple friends could tell me I guess as the serial changes.


Anyway, highly recommend and cyndia:icy will become your itunes app store in a way.

Peace.

WHOA! There are benefits to jailbreaking?? Man, it's not like they're listed in every single iPhone thread ever.

Also: free Tom Tom? For shame, man. We like to support our developers around here.

 

[Drag'nGT]

<------ don't care/wouldn't use it

Why is this such a big deal? Is it that Apple said no to an app or is it that OMG! they said no to..... Google!!!!!! *bump bum baaaahhh!!!!*

 

[RazHyena]

Apple says I has not been rejected. Translation, we just need to find out how to cripple wi fi and free texting even though texts uses nonband with (google it) so after 1 year loyal AT&T customer, after seeing price of Tom Tom, I jail broke my 3G and now have:
Video Recording
Free Teethering
a program that scrolls up and down quick for web pages, you know instead of having to scroll scroll scroll 4 ever to get down a forum page.
Tom Tom Free which depending on when issues ironed out I may purchase.
Flash player browser.
Ability to autoinstall apps for free.
Ability to get into my var/etc sections of my phone.
Five rows of icons per page or I could use 8 if I wanted
ability yo use many vool themes, some are really cool.
One touch to pull up settings.
When phone on lock and I hit button I get latest weather, emails, news, missed calls and missed text messages, free.
Free mms although haven't played enough with it. The teethering is awesome as it's faster than my wives moms dsl.
3G unrestrictor which tricks iTunes into thinking 3g is wifi.
Ability to run anything in the background, example streaming baseball game, hold down home button, it's on, now I can browse the web or do anything I want.
And of course, GV Mobile. Just waiting for my invite which should be coming soon.
Really guys, it's worth at first I was like I don't know, it seems technical but was not, once you install a fee apps, it becomes easy, really easy, espcially the jail breaking just make sure you're not running 3.1 as that's not out yet plus I can sell this phone for more than $500, in fact was offered $650 which i turned down only because I fear all the iPhones in the store are probably at 3.1 now. My apple friends could tell me I guess as the serial changes.


Anyway, highly recommend and cyndia:icy will become your itunes app store in a way.

Peace.

My brother got his jailbroken iPhone last week and is using another carrier. So far, so good. Everything works. He's installed interface hacks, a browser that works with Flash and a lot more. He guards it pretty damn good so I don't really know what else he's put on there.

Point is: He's using his iPhone to it's full potential; something locked iPhone users are missing out on.

 

[hanpa]

Apple says I has not been rejected. Translation, we just need to find out how to cripple wi fi and free texting even though texts uses nonband with (google it) so after 1 year loyal AT&T customer, after seeing price of Tom Tom, I jail broke my 3G and now have:
Video Recording
Free Teethering
a program that scrolls up and down quick for web pages, you know instead of having to scroll scroll scroll 4 ever to get down a forum page.
Tom Tom Free which depending on when issues ironed out I may purchase.
Flash player browser.
Ability to autoinstall apps for free.
Ability to get into my var/etc sections of my phone.
Five rows of icons per page or I could use 8 if I wanted
ability yo use many vool themes, some are really cool.
One touch to pull up settings.
When phone on lock and I hit button I get latest weather, emails, news, missed calls and missed text messages, free.
Free mms although haven't played enough with it. The teethering is awesome as it's faster than my wives moms dsl.
3G unrestrictor which tricks iTunes into thinking 3g is wifi.
Ability to run anything in the background, example streaming baseball game, hold down home button, it's on, now I can browse the web or do anything I want.
And of course, GV Mobile. Just waiting for my invite which should be coming soon.
Really guys, it's worth at first I was like I don't know, it seems technical but was not, once you install a fee apps, it becomes easy, really easy, espcially the jail breaking just make sure you're not running 3.1 as that's not out yet plus I can sell this phone for more than $500, in fact was offered $650 which i turned down only because I fear all the iPhones in the store are probably at 3.1 now. My apple friends could tell me I guess as the serial changes.


Anyway, highly recommend and cyndia:icy will become your itunes app store in a way.

Peace.

Tempting to jailbreak, I'll probably do that soon.

Go to the end of a long forum page can be done without jailbreaking, just add a bookmark with "javascript:window.scrollTo(0,1000000)"

Or with refresh: "javascript:window.scrollTo(0,1000000);javascript:window.reload"

 

[*LTD*]

<------ don't care/wouldn't use it

Why is this such a big deal? Is it that Apple said no to an app or is it that OMG! they said no to..... Google!!!!!! *bump bum baaaahhh!!!!*

If it was a run-of-the-mill game or Sudoku clone or conversion utility, no one would have given it a second thought. But since it was an app that a certain segment of user (mainly the Apple fan site kind) really, really wanted, it happened to grab the spotlight. Plus, it's a rejection of Google, not Joe Blow first-time developer, so it'll make headlines, you're right about that.

 

[bjb.butler]

According to the data plans in my country, the cost of sending an email from the mobile phone is much lower than sending an MMS. And all data plans I know of include basic internet use such as sending email. You don't need a smartphone, you'll find it hard to find a mobile phone without an email client. But this may be different in your country.

You need to have a data plan... And like I said, most young people, the ones that send MMS messages, don't have expensive data plans. How much it costs the carrier is irrelevant. True, almost all phones have email clients now, but that doesn't mean that the people using them pay for data, which is required to send an email last time I checked.

 

[kdarling]

By far the largest group of people that use MMS are the younger crowd (teenagers in high school and below, maybe even some college).

And another large group above age 60 or so, from the surveys I've seen. MMS is easier for them to do on an inexpensive phone, and they're unlikely to have an email address or care about one to begin with.

Apparently the email users are those in the middle, 30-55, who grew up with it, more or less.

Which helps explain why Jobs put MMS towards the bottom of the upgrade list... it just wasn't important to his age group.

This is also the group that is the least likely to have a smartphone with an expensive data plan. Sending emails isn't an option for most teenagers.

Yes, that's a big factor. Ditto for any age group as far as simply having a smartphone.

 

[slu]

I can still comment if I want to. So can everyone else.

Yes, you can. But you don't see the irony of making a post that complains about people complaining?

Seriously, in this whole thread your attitude has been that this is Apple's way, it has always been Apple's way, Apple's way is for the best, and you should know this before you bought your phone. If you don't like it you should shut up and go pound sand.

My problem is not that you think Apple has a right to do what it thinks is best for their customers (even though they are not doing that, they are doing what they think is best for their shareholders, as they should), but it is that you seem to think we have no right to disagree with Apple's position on the App Store approval process, and worse yet, that we have no right to post those opinions.

What is best for the shareholders is not always in the best interest of the public. Which is precisely why there is regulation in the US. This is what most of us are arguing. The fact that it is a Google app is immaterial. Yes, the fact that it is a Google app is what garnered our attention and got in the news, but I have the same opinion regardless of the app. As long as the app is not malicious in nature, I should be able to install whatever I want on my phone. Period.

 

[Masquerade]

Which helps explain why Jobs put MMS towards the bottom of the upgrade list... it just wasn't important to his age group. .

they should have put more people programming that feature. Like any other company would do.

 

[nikhsub1]

Yes, you can. But you don't see the irony of making a post that complains about people complaining?

Seriously, in this whole thread your attitude has been that this is Apple's way, it has always been Apple's way, Apple's way is for the best, and you should know this before you bought your phone. If you don't like it you should shut up and go pound sand.

My problem is not that you think Apple has a right to do what it thinks is best for their customers (even though they are not doing that, they are doing what they think is best for their shareholders, as they should), but it is that you seem to think we have no right to disagree with Apple's position on the App Store approval process, and worse yet, that we have no right to post those opinions.

What is best for the shareholders is not always in the best interest of the public. Which is precisely why there is regulation in the US. This is what most of us are arguing. The fact that it is a Google app is immaterial. Yes, the fact that it is a Google app is what garnered our attention and got in the news, but I have the same opinion regardless of the app. As long as the app is not malicious in nature, I should be able to install whatever I want on my phone. Period.

Best post in entire thread, thank you.

 

[KnightWRX]

Even though I can't understand your reply because it reads like a dyslexic person wrote it, I will still try to respond.

I'm talking about Apple, hindering my ability to try Google's software.
Let's say 1 person out of the 23 Million who own an iPhone, tried Google Voice an decided to buy an android phone. Point.

Had Apple designed a GPS app that shipped with the iPhone, we wouldn't see a google GPS or TOMTOM.

That's the point, Apple is hindering you from trying Google's software. You can use Google Voice with the iPhone through the web interface or you can use Google Voice on Android or Blackberry or WebOS.

I'm not for the rejection, I think an open ecosystem would benefit the iPhone much more than this closed and controlled environnement, but you can't say Apple is violating any anti-trust laws because they are not in a position to control the market first, and second, they aren't stopping Google from offering the service at all.

And the personal insults kinda show your level of maturity, try to tone it down a bit if you want a serious discussion.

 

[cumanzor]

If it was a run-of-the-mill game or Sudoku clone or conversion utility, no one would have given it a second thought. But since it was an app that a certain segment of user (mainly the Apple fan site kind) really, really wanted, it happened to grab the spotlight. Plus, it's a rejection of Google, not Joe Blow first-time developer, so it'll make headlines, you're right about that.

I suggest you look into what Google Voice is actually able to do and how helpful it can be before comparing it to a Sudoku game....

 

[occamsrazor]

Why is this such a big deal? Is it that Apple said no to an app or is it that OMG! they said no to..... Google!!!!!! *bump bum baaaahhh!!!!*

Obviously the fact that it is Google means it will grab more attention than otherwise. On the other hand you have two of the largest tech companies in the world flat out accusing each other, in formal statements to the government, of being liars.
The significance of this case, however, comes from the perception by a lot of observers that this application wasn't rejected on any of the merits Apple claim, but simply because this application could save its users a lot of money while at the same time posing a threat to Apple's corporate telco provider who many iphone owners are locked into via contract. And thus it runs contrary to the public interest.

 

[leRiCl]

I think this signals a coming war between Apple and Google. IMO Google sees Apple as its only significant competitor in all areas besides search. internet services (.mac vs google suite), operating systems (chrome os vs mac os), and browser (chrome vs safari).

More simply, it'll be a clash between cloud computing and traditional 'desktop' computing. Currently Google is the champion of the cloud, and Apple is champion of the desktop.

At the moment I'm seeing Google trying to layer its cloud computing clients across desktops (Google Docs), laptops (the new google OS) and mobile devices (Google Voice, Android).

As much as I am on Apple's side when it comes to Apple vs Google, I have to say Google is a more capable company who will likely bring cloud computing to everyone and remove desktops from the scene. When it comes to Apple it really is one person that counts... Steve Jobs. Without Jobs, I think Apple will fade into the 'average' tech company. like microsoft, symantec and its ilk.

 

[occamsrazor]

I think this signals a coming war between Apple and Google. IMO Google sees Apple as its only significant competitor in all areas besides search.

Perhaps there might be a coming war between Google and Apple, I'm not sure or convinced either way.
What does seem clear is there is or will be a massive war between those companies that are trying to change communications such as Voice away from the traditional business model, and the telcos on the other side who are fighting it tooth and nail much like the music industry did when their business was threatened by the move to online.
And in this fight Apple, through its decision not to sell the iPhone unlocked and carrier-free, is on the side of the big telcos.

 

[leRiCl]

Perhaps there might be a coming war between Google and Apple, I'm not sure or convinced either way.
What does seem clear is there is or will be a massive war between those companies that are trying to change communications such as Voice away from the traditional business model, and the telcos on the other side who are fighting it tooth and nail much like the music industry did when their business was threatened by the move to online.
And in this fight Apple, through its decision not to sell the iPhone unlocked and carrier-free, is on the side of the big telcos.

There's nothing preventing Google putting Google Voice on Google phones, i.e Android.

Google's move to try to put Google Voice on iPhone is like sticking a billboard over the community notice board inside a supermarket, then getting paid to put ads on that billboard.

I'd bet you $10,000 the supermarket will 'reject' your application to do this.

 

[occamsrazor]

There's nothing preventing Google putting Google Voice on Google phones, i.e Android.

Of course there's not. And there's nothing preventing Google putting Google apps on Mac OS X. Or Apple putting iTunes on Windows. So why all the fuss about Google putting them on the iPhone?

Google's move to try to put Google Voice on iPhone is like sticking a billboard over the community notice board inside a supermarket, then getting paid to put ads on that billboard.

I don't see it's the same way at all. Google wanting to put GV on the iPhone is much like Skype wanting to put their application on Macs running OS X, which may in turn lead to decreased revenues from landline providers. No one sees a problem with that, it's up to the user, I can do whatever the hell I like with my Mac.
The difference is that the Apple who sold me my Mac aren't in bed with my landline provider and preventing me from installing Skype in order to protect my landline provider's business interests.
The Apple that sells iPhones are in bed with the telcos, and it's increasingly clear what that pact means for users.

 

[slu]

There's nothing preventing Google putting Google Voice on Google phones, i.e Android.

Google's move to try to put Google Voice on iPhone is like sticking a billboard over the community notice board inside a supermarket, then getting paid to put ads on that billboard.

I'd bet you $10,000 the supermarket will 'reject' your application to do this.

Google Voice is on Android, as well as Blackberry and I believe Windows Mobile.

Your analogy makes no sense.

 

[*LTD*]

I suggest you look into what Google Voice is actually able to do and how helpful it can be before comparing it to a Sudoku game....

I read about it a month ago when it was news.

I wasn't interested in it enough to get all worked up over it rejection or delay.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I will laugh if google just decides to yank map access from the iPhone. Google Maps gone. Boy people would be pissed about that.

 

[RobertD63]

Im not gonna read the thread but I have to know.
WHATS THE FUSS ABOUT?? Apple controls the App store. We've known this. They reject apps for no reason. I know this. My apps get rejected for the stupiest reasons. FCC dont invesitgate my cases do they? I know Im not a huge compay like Google (Big brother).. But come on. Move on. Who cares. I really dont. I have skype, same effing function.

 

[*LTD*]

I think this signals a coming war between Apple and Google. IMO Google sees Apple as its only significant competitor in all areas besides search. internet services (.mac vs google suite), operating systems (chrome os vs mac os), and browser (chrome vs safari).

More simply, it'll be a clash between cloud computing and traditional 'desktop' computing. Currently Google is the champion of the cloud, and Apple is champion of the desktop.

At the moment I'm seeing Google trying to layer its cloud computing clients across desktops (Google Docs), laptops (the new google OS) and mobile devices (Google Voice, Android).

As much as I am on Apple's side when it comes to Apple vs Google, I have to say Google is a more capable company who will likely bring cloud computing to everyone and remove desktops from the scene. When it comes to Apple it really is one person that counts... Steve Jobs. Without Jobs, I think Apple will fade into the 'average' tech company. like microsoft, symantec and its ilk.

You're sorely underestimating Apple. But you're only speculating, after all. That's all we can do. In any case, I'm betting Apple knows exactly what their doing in this area.

Google's promised Chrome OS seems to be targeting the low end, not OS X. Further, Apple already has a Cloud computing paradigm, as well as a data centre, which seems to only be a part of their opening moves in the Cloud game.

I will laugh if google just decides to yank map access from the iPhone. Google Maps gone. Boy people would be pissed about that.

iMaps.

It's already in the works.