This. This is the reality. It might be hard to see through all the geek-tears around here, but this is it.
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Google Claims That Apple Did Reject Google Voice iPhone Application
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This. This is the reality. It might be hard to see through all the geek-tears around here, but this is it.
Can I interest you in the wonderfully open app store of the Zune HD? Oh, wait.
All this for:
FFC (dad): Alright who is responsible for this mess?
[sons]
Apple: He did it!
Google: No he did it!
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This would go on forever....
FFC (dad): Alright who is responsible for this mess?
[sons]
Apple: He did it!
Google: No he did it!
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This would go on forever....
Exchange is a different beast since the supported infrastructure tends to be on servers either owned by, or controlled by the end user or the company that they work for. Users typically get exchange access granted from the company side of things and the degree of control is very different.
Not to mention, that you need to have access to an exchange server with ActiveSync to actually be of any use. Its a corporate email system.
More companies should sue Apple for rejecting their products. Apple should really be more of finding reasons to accept applications vs. Finding Reasons to Reject them. Apple reminds me of elementary school where after a quiz you would give you paper to an other student who would grade your paper. Where kids would take joy in marking their peers papers as wrong. I remember getting an answer wrong because my C looked like an L (On a multiple choice quiz of A, B, C) This is how Apple seems to be about accepting their apps. Lets find a reason to reject vs. Reasons to accept the product.
Except that Apple has not nor is there any evidence that remotely suggests that Apple is actually proposing such a system. Not to mention that phones and computers are very different devices as far as Apple sees things.
Fixed.
All of you that are OK with Apple disallowing GV seem to like to be told what you can and can not do. How did you all get so submissive?
What the hell is wrong with my beloved Apple. The era of thinking different, the culture of encouraging innovation is slowly fading away. They're slowly morphing into a Microsoftistic 800-lbs gorilla. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from The Dark Knight... "Do you die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain?" 
That's why we present it as a hypothetical scenario.
It doesn't matter if "phones & computers are very different devices as far as Apple sees things."
It's the process & app development that we're talkin' about. That's why it's a hypothetical scenario to aid in our arguments.
w00master
miscommunication?
If you look at what they actually say, it's not "Apple rejected...", it's "Google says that Apple rejected ...", and it's based on a telephone conversation between executives. Not a written rejection, and not from the person(s) doing the evaluation.
It wouldn't surprise me if both companies have given truthful accounts to the government investigation -- Apple thinking it gave a tentative rejection subject to further review, and Google hearing it as a final rejection.
If you look at what they actually say, it's not "Apple rejected...", it's "Google says that Apple rejected ...", and it's based on a telephone conversation between executives. Not a written rejection, and not from the person(s) doing the evaluation.
It wouldn't surprise me if both companies have given truthful accounts to the government investigation -- Apple thinking it gave a tentative rejection subject to further review, and Google hearing it as a final rejection.
I told you all, weeks ago: this is a plain and simple case of Apple not wanting it's customers to get confused. Phil Schiller is standing up for YOU. He's protecting YOU from the ensuing confusion that Google would have so nonchalantly introduced to your life.
Show some respect for the hard work Phil does and preventing your confusion!
Show some respect for the hard work Phil does and preventing your confusion!
A great deal of developers seem to be very confident in building really great applications for the iPhone right now.
I have many applications on my iPhone and none of them fart and only two of them are games.
I agree that a more cohesive and coherent application review and approval process would benefit Apple, the developers and the consumers. But what has helped make Apple successful and allowed it to recover from it's general irrelevance in the 1990s is a concerted effort to deliver a tailored user experience across the board - hardware, software and support.
Apple has evolved, even if it is not as quickly or as completely as some desire / demand. I'd rather err on protecting the user experience (and, by extension, the user) and take a bit longer to reach "utopia" instead of just barreling forward and hoping the momentum will keep things on course.
I have many applications on my iPhone and none of them fart and only two of them are games.
I agree that a more cohesive and coherent application review and approval process would benefit Apple, the developers and the consumers. But what has helped make Apple successful and allowed it to recover from it's general irrelevance in the 1990s is a concerted effort to deliver a tailored user experience across the board - hardware, software and support.
Apple has evolved, even if it is not as quickly or as completely as some desire / demand. I'd rather err on protecting the user experience (and, by extension, the user) and take a bit longer to reach "utopia" instead of just barreling forward and hoping the momentum will keep things on course.
More like:
FCC: Ok? Who did it?
Apple: Not me. We didn't reject anything
AT&T: Not me.
Google: We don't really know but we think it was Apple.
Good
It was a buggy application anyway and just more of Google "there's a webservice for everything on earth" nonsense.
It was a buggy application anyway and just more of Google "there's a webservice for everything on earth" nonsense.
It's people who are happy with Apple. Yes, there are people who love this comapny's products. It's just enthusiasm and excitement. Judgin by the absolutel garbage Redmond has been rolling out for the last decade, it doesn't take a whole lot.
Apple fans are to be expected. MS fans are an irregularity. MS doesn't inspire that kind of confidence and enthusiasm for a reason. WTF is there to be interested and excited about? Another lousy version of Windows to replace the previous (or worse, failed) version? More Office-ware? Word? Excel? Live Mail? The Zune? More half-assed attempts at aping Apple? NOD32? Cool! Another verion of xyz Antivirus!
So the fact that the iPhone is a great product overrall, with a great UI, means its users should just shut up and live with whatever Apple gives us, we shouldn't complain when things we want are not possible/allowed? This is so far from the Mac "ethos" I don't even know how to respond to it. If no-one had complained incessantly about the MBP, we'd never have the matt screens back.
The idea that if you don't like what is currently given to you, you either lump it or leave, runs contrary to the whole Mac ethos from Day 1.
As for inflating the incident, I agree that this is just one app, my points aren't particularly directed at the Google Voice app.... but it's just one example of an ongoing trend at Apple to move away from it's original ideals towards something that does not, actually, look after the interests of its users. You can see it in so many aspects of the Mac/iPhone/AppleTV etc... and that makes me sad.
While it is true that they have approved VOIP apps on the iPhone, Google Voice not only has a dialer/Contacts UI but it does an end run around the carrier phone system. How would you expect them to approve something like that? Get real people.
Also, given than Google Voice has limited availability (US only), I dont' see the point for it. Don't you guys have unlimited evenings and weekends on AT&T?
Here in Canada on Fido, my unlimited Evenings and weekends start at 5pm local time.
I'm sick and tired of all of the Americans on here whining about services that are only applicable to them. Boo fricken hoo.
Also, given than Google Voice has limited availability (US only), I dont' see the point for it. Don't you guys have unlimited evenings and weekends on AT&T?
Here in Canada on Fido, my unlimited Evenings and weekends start at 5pm local time.
I'm sick and tired of all of the Americans on here whining about services that are only applicable to them. Boo fricken hoo.
I'm sick and tired of all of the APOLOGISTS. Boo fricken hoo to you guys.
GV isn't there to save you money. It's there so you can manage your various phones and mobile devices better. Huge difference.
w00master
What good is talking about hypothetical going to do. We might as well ask what would happen if Apple halted all App Store development. Hypotheticals only have meaning if they are somewhat plausible. You are trying to introduce a scenario that only has a tenuous relationship. The two are not comparable at all.
Vonage and Skype have apps for the iPhone. There are many VoIP apps that were approved.