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Google Cofounder On Lack of Mac Chrome Browser: 'It's Embarrassing'

Rodimus Prime said:
and people wonder why Apple users get no respect. Thank you for adding to truth to the belief apple users are stuck up snobs who do not understand the real world.

Get it though your thick head and read my early post. At less than 10% market share for the OS. It just does not make since to put apple first. It will always and always should take a back seat to windows. Like it or not 80% of the market should come before the 10%
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Clue: A very large part of that 10% are tech people who are going to be the ones designing and fixing sites to work properly with the browser.

Even where I work, 80% of the engineers are on a Mac when the site gets a large percentage of Windows users. This is very common.

Looking (alone) at market share percentages is just down right silly, think about WHO makes up that percentage. How many grandmothers and soccer moms do you think are installing Chrome (beta) ?
 
localoid said:
All the non-programmers always think that code is written by use a magic wand...

It took Microsoft until 1995 to release the first Internet Explorer browser, about a year after the Netscape browser was released. (Prior to that, the Mosaic browser had been released in 1993). Then it took Microsoft until 1997 until IE Ver. 4 was released, the first version that was worth a damn.
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I agree with your premise but MS is not a good analogy, Google should strive to be better than them.
 
aprilfools said:
Unfortunately, this is very typical story and just another story about PC idiots that don't acknowledge the Mac community. These idiots dismiss their own ignorance of the growing Mac community. I would love to be able to send a serious virus to their main server computer if I knew how. Take em down. Lessons need to be learned.
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"PC Idiots"? Real mature.
 
Unfortunately, this is very typical story and just another story about PC idiots that don't acknowledge the Mac community. These idiots dismiss their own ignorance of the growing Mac community. I would love to be able to send a serious virus to their main server computer if I knew how. Take em down. Lessons need to be learned.
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Real mature. Kind of like burning down the video store because they only had the latest movies on VHS, when you wanted Betamax.

The fact that the Mac community responds with childish bitterness every time they're reminded that Windows is always first served, is only off-putting and serves more to alienate than it serves to promote supporting Mac.

aprilfools said:
This website should be called Mac opinions. Not Mac Rumors. No one can convince me otherwise that Mac users always must take a back seat. It's true, you know it, most Mac users know it too, and I don't like it a bit. In fact, I resent it to the max!
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You should be content that Google bothers at all. The 90% of the software and game houses who aren't Adobe or Microsoft usually don't think a Mac version is worth the effort. Nor do many hardware makers. If you look at a giant peripheral manufacturer like Logitech, you'll find only a couple of dedicated Mac products, and a lot of products that could have been cross-platform but they don't bother with Mac drivers for them. I have tons of kickass PC keyboards and mice I'd love to use on my iMac, but some are incompatible and the rest I can't use anyway because Logitech Control Center hangs the Mac on shutdown/restart. I also tried to move my music production from PC to the iMac, but the OS X driver for my firewire audio device was so crappy that I gave up.

But I accept it. This is business, not politics. 3rd parties aren't under some kind of obligation to serve all platforms equally. They're free to make whatever business decisions they want, it's not the Soviet Union dammit.
 
/dev/toaster said:
Clue: A very large part of that 10% are tech people who are going to be the ones designing and fixing sites to work properly with the browser.

Even where I work, 80% of the engineers are on a Mac when the site gets a large percentage of Windows users. This is very common.

Looking (alone) at market share percentages is just down right silly, think about WHO makes up that percentage. How many grandmothers and soccer moms do you think are installing Chrome (beta) ?
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Windows users from the "geek" side still have a higher number of users than all OSX users combine. It is a pure and simple numbers games. Also where I work not the largest numbers of techno people and those people heard about Chrome and like it. Just look at firefox. When it was still a "Geek" toy it still had more market share than ALL of OSX had total. That should tell you something. Windows users in every part of the puzzle out number OSX users. NO IF AND OR BUTS ABOUT IT/

aprilfools said:
This website should be called Mac opinions. Not Mac Rumors. No one can convince me otherwise that Mac users always must take a back seat. It's true, you know it, most Mac users know it too, and I don't like it a bit. In fact, I resent it to the max!

True story...My wife had to take a computer class for her work last night. They gave her a flash drive to store the files they created during the class. She kindly asked would the flash drive work on the mac? The answer... "Sorry, we are not sure about that".

So very typical. I resent this mentality to the highest imaginable level. Don’t give me your market share BS. Market share is irrelevant. We are talking about ignorance and denial to the Mac platform. So very very common.
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I stated from a bussiness stand point is makes since to put OSX 2nded. I pointed out but you are running on your feelings.

I never said ignorance and denial was the problem. I just stated when it comes down to money and time. Putting limited money, time and personally into developing choosing windows first just is more profitable. It is a pure numbers game.
 
Anuba said:
You should be content that Google bothers at all. The 90% of the software and game houses who aren't Adobe or Microsoft usually don't think a Mac version is worth the effort. Nor do many hardware makers. If you look at a giant peripheral manufacturer like Logitech, you'll find only a couple of dedicated Mac products, and a lot of products that could have been cross-platform but they don't bother with Mac drivers for them.
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I wonder if that's truly a case of them not bothering, or if Apple's documentation or APIs are deficient. Certainly, Apple lacks the support in terms of automated installation/updates of third-party drivers that Microsoft has via Windows Update...
 
you would think that with the relation google and apple have, google would show more respect
 
donga said:
you would think that with the relation google and apple have, google would show more respect
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i'm a window users at home but i love going to the apple store and playing with their gizmos like a kid in the candy store. i do own an ipod nano and i want an iphone or an ipod touch once i can save enough money. anyhow, i think it's all about the money. if 90% of people are windows users, they're gonna prioritize that user base first. they needed to have a counter attack against IE 8's release last week. i'm sure if Google released something big for MP3 players, they'd prioritize first dibs on iPods since that's the largest user base for those devices.:apple:
 
Actually, so far, just selecting, then right clicking any text in the omnibar causes the browser to crash. :confused:

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Nevermind, but it was happening to me earlier. I got Chrome to run over 3,600 CPM. (crashes per minute) hahaha.
 
It is a *beta* on the Windows side. Why don't we just let all the PC users out there figure out the kinks and bugs, and we'll just benefit from all their testing when the Mac version comes out?

I'm currently sticking with Safari, but there are a few small quirks that could help me jump ship to Chrome. But the license agreement is a sticking point for me.
 
clevin said:
i think some of you guys underestimate the difficulty of porting of a js engine. I previously said about 3 months, and assume google is prioritize it. They have largest search base in the world, they sure know more than us if OSX version is a priority for them.



lets just say I don't agree. fast browsers exist for years, that would be opera, it didn't change anything as far as I can tell.
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There were mp3 players before the iPod too. Opera has all the marketing oomph of the Ralph Nader campaign. With Google promoting this, it will gain some share even if it sucked. The fact that it is pretty slick will only help.

As for the delay on the mac release, who cares. As long as designers start making their sites webkit compatible, we're great. Download the nightly webkit. SquirrelFish may not be as fast as V8, but in the tests I did, it's only about 50% slower instead of 1000%.

Maybe WordPress will finally figure out how to get their editor to let me use keyboard commands.
 
stormj said:
There were mp3 players before the iPod too. Opera has all the marketing oomph of the Ralph Nader campaign. With Google promoting this, it will gain some share even if it sucked. The fact that it is pretty slick will only help.

As for the delay on the mac release, who cares. As long as designers start making their sites webkit compatible, we're great. Download the nightly webkit. SquirrelFish may not be as fast as V8, but in the tests I did, it's only about 50% slower instead of 1000%.

Maybe WordPress will finally figure out how to get their editor to let me use keyboard commands.
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we will just wait and see, Chrome's market share is falling into a flat from the peak in first 48 hrs. now its 1% in US market, 2% in EU market. from 1.7% and 3% as peak previously.

its essentially comes down to market, if Chrome weren't able to crack 5-10%, I can't see the compatibility issue get solved, no to mention V8 and JavascriptCore aren't that compatible with each other after all. Keyboard command, is just one of the things that decided by js, rather than layout engine.
 
multi-threading is a quite leap forward. at least it should. i think its definitely the future. at least i hope.
 
Jeez some of you are whiney.

You guys seriously have nothing else in the world to worry about? You're getting all bent out of shape because you have to wait an additional few months to install on your computers, a web browser, which a week ago, none of you knew even existed, in addition to the fully functional one you already have. Because of this, you're all huffy and talking boycott.

Good god, half the worlds population is dying of disease and famine and whatever, and you guys are whining about this not being "fair"?

What kind of parents did you people have?
 
donga said:
you would think that with the relation google and apple have, google would show more respect
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This is business. Firefox installation has an option for installing google bar. Now, google has a business to compete with firefox. And for apple, well there the android phone. You do what's best for your company.
 
I'm not sure what the issue is here. Chrome is still a beta, I'd rather wait till all the Windows folks did the beta testing and then hand it out to the Apple community. If you really MUST have it now then VM it. Otherwise relax and wait. :)
 
Catfish_Man said:
What? No it isn't. V8 by itself has no concept of keyboards, DOM bindings, or anything else like that. Neither does JavaScriptCore or SpiderMonkey.
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really? then what is the event behind a key press triggering a browser operation?

are u saying key command will still work when javascript is disabled?

is here any examples so I can check it out?
 
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