I'm really not a HUGE google fan. But Google search is still miles ahead. I tested it out again 6-7 months ago, and Google has pulled ahead even further than before. Bing still sucks big time, but could be used for very casual users at this point.
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Google Could Pay Apple $3 Billion to Remain Default Search Engine on iOS
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Do tell how they sell their user base to goggle. If I dont have a google account does Apple send my Apple ID and phone number and imei with every query? Can google identify me personally when a query is issued to their web services and I am not logged in. They for sure get an ip address and a query but that would be all.
Seems like google gets their 3b back in spades from the additional revenue from their hundreds of millions of users from google using you as a product.
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Actually the correct people are in charge based on how the company is doing.
Google is not crazy enough to pay this much to Apple and end up with a negative NPV. They are earning more than 3 billion on this deal which means Google has effectively turned Apple’s customers into their product by paying money.
They still don’t need to pay anything because those hundreds of millions will download Google apps anyway so that’s unrelated to this 3B. Microsoft has Bing as default on Windows and we know how that’s turned out.
Remember when Google was dragging their feet over Google Maps? Now they're paying $3B to have a presence on iPhone. I think there's a couple lessons in here: it's really important to have viable alternatives, and Apple made the right move showing they'd go it alone if the terms aren't right.
It means google has turned googles customers into their product. Google is paying 3b for the privilege of having Apple customers login to google and become googles product.
My office machine defaults to Bing, and I can not change it. Consequently I use Bing quite a bit and frankly I pretty much always find what I am looking for in the first few links.
Is Google better? Probably, but I feel like people are using search less frequently these days in favor of curated content. I'm confident that the vast majority of user wouldn't even notice if the default was changed.
Is Google better? Probably, but I feel like people are using search less frequently these days in favor of curated content. I'm confident that the vast majority of user wouldn't even notice if the default was changed.
Tried it once out of curiosity while researching for a thesis. Literally couldnt find s
Google's customers already belong to Google and they will switch their default search to Google no matter what Apple does. There's a report showing how despite MS putting Bing as default search in Edge, around 70% of Edge users have Google as default search. What's interesting to note is that it's very difficult to change search engines in Edge. You need to visit Google.com then go in settings and then search for a very small dialog showing "search address bar with" and only hen will it allow you to change the search.
Despite Microsoft putting so many roadblocks people ended up changing to Google anyway.
Google paid Apple 3B because the people who don't know anything about tech will search using Safari and end up creating a Google account inevitably. So indirectly Apple allowed their customers to be the product.
When I first started using DDG some time ago I found it profoundly inadequate. However, it lately has become very good and I haven't performed a search on Google in some time.
Why, it's not that you don't have a choice, you can change it easily, so there's nothing to fear (this time).
I've often thought that as well. After all, Apple already makes more money than God, just from selling hardware and apps.
I mean, why should Apple also get billions from selling us to Google, when _we_ (the customers sold as a product) should be the ones getting the kickback?
Ditto for Apple Pay. Heck, when I originally heard that Apple was squeezing the banks for a percentage of each purchase, my first thought was, "Cool, Apple will give us all rebates, like Discover Card, in return for using iPhones!".
Yeah, right.
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What you wrote still has nothing to do with the nonsense posted that Apple is giving away customer information to google.
Your implication is false. "Indirectly" is not the same as overtly. But nice try at twisting what is really happening.
Interesting. Why would they care? (Honest question...)
Unless there's a "select one of the following search engines" option during iOS setup, one of them has to be the default. What difference does it make if it's Google versus ??? from a regulatory perspective?
Umm... yes they would. When you install Chrome, that's what you get. By default. Sure there's "weirdos" out there who swear by Safari, but those have their own reasons, and I am sure they would know how to change the search engine. Finally, there's those who don't know how to install Chrome, and those people usually don't care about what search engine they're using as long as they are able to find cute kitten pictures on the Interweb. Summa-summarum, from a user perspective this story doesn't really matter, it's more to show the amount of money paid by one company to another to get preferential treatment.
Accepting payment and remaining a mute spectator is as good as giving customer information to Google.
Not even close. Again my friend proof, not hyperbole wins arguments.
Apparently Google are paying Samsung 3.5 billion for the same thing, how does that sit with you?
What's hyperbolic about it? They did accept payment and remained silent and allowed Google to data mine on their platform. This is a fact.
When Android is being used, Google's anyways tracking you through the preinstalled Google apps. Default search doesn't really make that much of a difference.
Android or Samsung never claimed themselves to be the privacy messiah which Apple makes itself out to be. Apple's behaviour is hence hypocritical. Microsoft is even worse than Google with the amount of tracking which goes on in Windows 10 and you actually need to enter the registry and modify keys to stop it.
As I said all corporations, Microsoft, Google, Samsung,Apple are the same. They just market it differently. Some are straightforward, some are not. Apple loves using the reality distortion field on its customers and people actually believe that marketing crap.
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Apple is still second class to Samsung.
http://pocketnow.com/2017/08/16/google-estimated-payments-samsung-apple-search-pre-loading
I don't see the point of Google paying any of these companies since users will tend to switch over to Google services since they're better.
http://pocketnow.com/2017/08/16/google-estimated-payments-samsung-apple-search-pre-loading
I don't see the point of Google paying any of these companies since users will tend to switch over to Google services since they're better.