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Like what? What has Google copied? The features announced today are features the iPhone doesn't have. What have they copied?

That's right. NOTHING

Wrong. Google copied Apple's innovation strategy :

- Browse the market for a startup with cool ideas
- Buy
- Brand
- Release
 
Wrong. Google copied Apple's innovation strategy :

- Browse the market for a startup with cool ideas
- Buy
- Brand
- Release

And apple has never done that in the history. They were the first smartphone on the market :rolleyes:
 
And apple has never done that in the history. They were the first smartphone on the market :rolleyes:

If you actually look at pre iPhone 'smart phones' it is ridiculous to call the iPhone a 'smart phone'. Apples and Oranges! The iPhone and all subsequent attempts to copy it are a totally new category. So your rolleyes comment is not really a valid one IMHO.
 
Be nice if Google started to be innovative rather than simply mimicking every Apple product. Next they will be selling iMac look alikes no doubt called iGoogles.

And what has Google copied from Apple? Everyone keeps saying this and yet they can never provide an example of what Google copied.
 
Like what? What has Google copied? The features announced today are features the iPhone doesn't have. What have they copied?

That's right. NOTHING

This is a spurious argument. Google simply add bit and bobs to a product that is itself a complete rip off. It would be like Kia making a copy of a Mercedes in every detail then adding a few things Mercedes didn't and claiming therefore it is original.
 
This is a spurious argument. Google simply add bit and bobs to a product that is itself a complete rip off. It would be like Kia making a copy of a Mercedes in every detail then adding a few things Mercedes didn't and claiming therefore it is original.


What did they copy? Give examples.
 
This is a spurious argument. Google simply add bit and bobs to a product that is itself a complete rip off. It would be like Kia making a copy of a Mercedes in every detail then adding a few things Mercedes didn't and claiming therefore it is original.

you don't have to jailbreak a mercedes or a lexus to get the features you want. they are already in there or they get added as soon as possible.

Apple has this complex not to give users features they are asking for and this gave an opening to Google
 
Be nice if Google started to be innovative rather than simply mimicking every Apple product. Next they will be selling iMac look alikes no doubt called iGoogles.

Well, said. Google is in the knock off business at the moment.

Looks like they're going to pick up where Apple TV left off though, lol.

Apple's "hobby" could very well turn into Google's next 'billion dollar baby' ... that's my prediction.
 
Wrong. Google copied Apple's innovation strategy :

- Browse the market for a startup with cool ideas
- Buy
- Brand
- Release

Actually Google's model of business is to reduce your competitor's market value-adds to zero, using the size of Google to push through the tactic (like Wallmart vs local shops). Google has been adopting many of Wallmart's business strategies.

Analyse your competitors - implement the functionality and then offer it for free (whilst making it use your services, such as advertising and provide upsell into your products).
 
andy721 said:
Google needs to stop copying. They are so corrupt and you are all blind if you don't agree.

Well, said. Google is in the knock off business at the moment.

Digitalclips said:
Be nice if Google started to be innovative rather than simply mimicking every Apple product. Next they will be selling iMac look alikes no doubt called iGoogles.

My oh my.. Looks like the army of brain dead iDrone zombies is out in full force today...
 
Wow. One of the largest and most prestigious law firms in the world is "obscure?" Really? Yikes.

As for "how is what..." - since when is "these other guys are doing it too" a defense?

And who said anything about Google's lawyers being idiots? I think they're quite smart. They probably (and correctly) think they would win any such lawsuit on the basis of fair use. That doesn't mean that there won't be a lawsuit.

No I haven't - you missed the semantics. Not every copyright violation (i.e. infringement of 17 USC 106) is actionable. For example, most such infringements probably fall under fair use, and hence no one can win a lawsuit over them.

Just like if I infringe a patent I may not lose a lawsuit - the patent may be invalid or unenforceable.

So, I am missing the point here: are you saying that WebM is doomed, because there will be a lawsuit? While you admit that there is a strong "fair use" defense? Pardon me, but it kind of sounds you may be agreeing with the Google team....

If so, shouldn't people dump their iPhones and sell all of their Apple stock, because Apple is the defendant in a whole slew of lawsuits, and is thus possibly also doomed?

As to your credentials, I was just miffed because you keep trying to win arguments based on them. Your firm is a fine one, for SF, but at a national/international level it is certainly not first tier, and by most measures, not even second tier. Third tier, yes. So, there :D
 
So, I am missing the point here: are you saying that WebM is doomed, because there will be a lawsuit? While you admit that there is a strong "fair use" defense? Pardon me, but it kind of sounds you may be agreeing with the Google team....

There is no point here.. As always, cmaier just likes to throw up some bizzarre semantical argument (with heavy doze of legaleze mixed in), just for the sake of it. I think it makes him feel smarter than the average MR schmoe ;)
 
When you've got no counter-argument, name-calling is always a good fallback. Congrats on showing the weakness of your position.

Is calling people "fanboy" (as you have me) not the same thing?

EDIT: AAh, it's not fanboy, it was "Android Kool Aid" drinker.
 
Look at your laughable avatar...you've self-identified.

But thanks for playing.

So your insulting rebuttals are more worthy than others? I've got to admit, I love your agression! RAWR! ;)

Such passion. :apple:

Pick me an avatar and I'll change it, just for you GameCock.
 
When you've got no counter-argument, name-calling is always a good fallback. Congrats on showing the weakness of your position.

Counter-argument to what exactly? That "Googles copies everything Apple does"? That's not even an argument, that's a joke fueled by some bizzarre Apple brand loyalty and hatred for anything non-Apple (some call it fanboyism).

Give me a coherent argument and then we can have a discussion.
 
About this "copying Apple" business...
Soo... Apple invented media players and online music stores?

When Windows started shipping with a media player that plays MP3 files (WMP 6.1), it was 1998. At that time Apple didn't even have an mp3 player. If you wanted to play mp3 on your Mac you had to buy SoundJam or some other shareware app. iTunes was first released in 2001.

By 2002, Windows Media Player (now up to version 9) would let you buy music online and subscribe to music services. Online music stores had been around for some time. Sony started one in 2000. The iTunes Store opened in 2003.

Unsurprisingly, Apple didn't invent the portable mp3 player either.

What Apple did was to create a seamless package with portable player + application + store that was better than everything else, and they should have due credit for that. But just because they did it better doesn't mean that these are original Apple ideas.

Furthermore, Google is all over the iPhone (map application, Safari, YouTube), so it's not like they didn't contribute to the success of the iPhone.
 
About this "copying Apple" business...
Soo... Apple invented media players and online music stores?

When Windows started shipping with a media player that plays MP3 files (WMP 6.1), it was 1998. At that time Apple didn't even have an mp3 player. If you wanted to play mp3 on your Mac you had to buy SoundJam or some other shareware app. iTunes was first released in 2001.

The most ironic part is all the people bashing Google for acquisitions, claiming Apple makes their own stuff, while ignoring that iTunes is an Apple acquisition (Soundjam).

iPhone is an Apple acquisition (Fingerworks).

iPad's CPU is an Apple acquisition (P A Semi).

Google copying Apple ? Sure, like I said, they copied Apple's "Acquire startups with great ideas and brand them so they're a success" tactic, which incidently, isn't even an Apple innovation to begin with.
 
The most ironic part is all the people bashing Google for acquisitions, claiming Apple makes their own stuff, while ignoring that iTunes is an Apple acquisition (Soundjam).

Google copying Apple ? Sure, like I said, they copied Apple's "Acquire startups with great ideas and brand them so they're a success" tactic, which incidently, isn't even an Apple innovation to begin with.

This I will happily agree with. Asides, if you want a true iClone, check out Pasen's iTouch. Makes Google's Android look original.
 
This I will happily agree with. Asides, if you want a true iClone, check out Pasen's iTouch. Makes Google's Android look original.
Ha! Doesn't get any more shameless than that.

It plays DivX, though... rather a ubiquitous format these days, even hardware DVD and Blu-ray players support it, as does WMP 12 in Win7. Hell will freeze over before iPad, AppleTV, iPhone and QuickTime Player will support DivX/XviD, MKV etc. natively.
 
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