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Google takes privacy. Seriously.
Fair point.
Maybe if Google starts making billions of dollars from hardware like Apple they would scale back their selling practices? Collecting data, I get, so maybe then they could just not sell it to advertisers?
I might be more comfortable with Google's data collection if it meant that it was kept on their servers and never released to Advertisers.
Of course, if this was an Apple device this thread would look very different.
There would be 23 posts pointing out that it was a test unit.
Let me help you out with that — If this was an Apple device, this design flaw would've been caught internally during the design/testing/manufacturing, and never would've made its way to the outside world. Google should be ashamed!
This honestly sounds like a hardware design flaw, and not something that a firmware update can resolve. Phantom touches? By what? Ghosts? Angels? Passing gas?
Of course, if this was an Apple device this thread would look very different.
There would be 23 posts pointing out that it was a test unit.
Two very different companies, one's business is data collection and selling that to advertisers while the other one is (mostly)hardware based.
I amongst many MANY others don't trust Google and block all google services.
I am no Apple apologist, quite a few things I don't like about Apple these days but I take them over any other hardware(/Software) company.
google saw what the NSA could do with these kind of nifty tricks and want to do it themselves too.
they prolly have a fetish on listening to what people say privately or something
they prolly have a fetish on listening to what people say privately or something
it sounds like it's a hardware issue they can't fix with software. and also since they already made thousands of them and don't want to do a recall.
Busted before a lawsuit could have occurred. How could this slip up happen after atlas 2 weeks of user acceptance testing? This was no mistake.
I really wish Google wasn't in the business of collecting all the data they can on a person to sell it to for-profit companies. Google makes some pretty nifty things
Google doesn't sell personal data. They sell anonymous ad slots.
Bugs can be difficult to notice or reproduce. Often users are the first to notice.
For example, Apple tested the iPhone 4 ahead of time, made millions of them, and yet it took real world consumers to notice that touching a single small spot on the antenna could detune phones in low reception areas to the point of dropping calls. Ditto for noticing a case weakness, swelling batteries, etc.
Likewise, a hardware phantom touch bug that doesn't affect all devices would easily go unnoticed by Google testers.
To those wishing google didn't sell information but just kept it themselves...
You do understand googles business model? free search engine, free email, free online storage, free online apps.
Their business model has always been how to monetize information about people...lots of people so advertisers can better sell other stuff.
They created a multi-billion dollar company that doesn't charge users a penny (like Facebook, they are not helping you connect with friends and family, its a side effect of data mining).
Google and advertisers don't care about you, or your information or what you talked about last night.
They do care about 1 million people like you that all were talking about the latest hot tv show, or whatever.
its about aggregate data they can use to guide their ad campaigns.
if they didn't sell the information they wouldn't have a company, no gmail, no google search etc.
That is starting to change now that they are making phones and some other hardware items, but i doubt they will completely re-invent their model.
As for the NSA and privacy concerns, for every way you try to protect your privacy and every "malfunction" that's discovered the NSA has 12 more ways to get your data that you wouldn't even think about. Privacy has long been a myth.
And what are you really talking about that you think big brother cares about if they are listening to 350 million people? You cheating on your wife? You stole office supplies from work? You ran a red light? Big brother and big industry don't care about you that much
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true its a spy's wet dream..everyone carrying a pocket sized device with a microphone, camera, built in transmitter, all able to remotely controlled over multiple wireless protocols (Bluetooth, NFC, cell, WiFi) quite the nifty piece of James Bond gear.
You do understand googles business model? free search engine, free email, free online storage, free online apps.
Their business model has always been how to monetize information about people...lots of people so advertisers can better sell other stuff.
They created a multi-billion dollar company that doesn't charge users a penny (like Facebook, they are not helping you connect with friends and family, its a side effect of data mining).
Google and advertisers don't care about you, or your information or what you talked about last night.
They do care about 1 million people like you that all were talking about the latest hot tv show, or whatever.
its about aggregate data they can use to guide their ad campaigns.
if they didn't sell the information they wouldn't have a company, no gmail, no google search etc.
That is starting to change now that they are making phones and some other hardware items, but i doubt they will completely re-invent their model.
As for the NSA and privacy concerns, for every way you try to protect your privacy and every "malfunction" that's discovered the NSA has 12 more ways to get your data that you wouldn't even think about. Privacy has long been a myth.
And what are you really talking about that you think big brother cares about if they are listening to 350 million people? You cheating on your wife? You stole office supplies from work? You ran a red light? Big brother and big industry don't care about you that much
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To be fair though, we already have hand held in-house listening devices we carry around
true its a spy's wet dream..everyone carrying a pocket sized device with a microphone, camera, built in transmitter, all able to remotely controlled over multiple wireless protocols (Bluetooth, NFC, cell, WiFi) quite the nifty piece of James Bond gear.
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Yep. Get the free Google apps argument you're making, but it's a deflection to focus on the effect and not the cause.
The cause is that Google's business model is collecting data on their users to sell to advertisers (aggregate or not), which does not encourage me at all to trust Google's intentions with their Google Home, Google phones (Android), etc.
Gmail and Google online apps (Docs, etc.) have become ubiquitous in my daily routine so it's a personal compromise I've made. Before I cared about my data sold to advertisers, I was using Gmail... So they already, and continue to, harvest my data. It's something I just shrug my shoulders at because "oh well".
It's still not something I prefer, and certainly doesn't encourage me to go out and buy Android or Google Home or any other Google product that would expedite their collection of data on me.
at this point i believe most people have a better chance at managing and knowing what data is out there by being an active participant, rather than trying to get off the grid or stay "anonymous"
also i figure if they are gong to get my data anyway, either from me or through someone i am communicating with then i might as well get some benefit by using some of their pretty cool services and doo-hickeys.
I just chimed in because it seemed a lot of people seem to think google and facebook, instagram, twitter (anything free and social) are some evil empires out to enslave the masses and screw people over. Really they are just out to make money, right now they can make money by providing cool services, if they could make money from enslaving you they probably would. But the motivation is money not domination.
we have to make sure it is more profitable to help us, if it becomes more profitable to screw us... THEY WILL
On the other hand, they don't need to sell data for their advertisements, they can use the data so that companies can target their potential consumers better through options that Google provides based on the data they have, but they don't need to give up their data to those companies. There's collecting and using data for something, and then there's selling/passing that data to someone else.
true they don't, and i'm sure with some companies they don't sell the actual data some companies wouldn't know what to do with that much raw data. I'm starting my own little charter business. I don't want 10 terabytes of peoples search habits. I would pay google to place my adds where they are more likely to lead to a sale(or tell me if i should advertise on FB.com or Kayak.com).
Other companies maybe developing their own algorithms to predict behaviors and habits so they would need the raw data.. in the end its all about making money.
i was just saying they are not innately evil, but will do "evil" things if it profits them. our job (as consumers) is to make the benevolent side of data mining more profitable so they don't want to go to the dark side. You do that by participating, not by boycotting.
all these are just opinions i ain't got no degree in this stuff...lol
That's exactly what happens. Google doesn't sell personal data to advertisers. That would be dumb, since it would negate the unique value of having the info.
Google sells anonymous ad slots. In short, an advertiser supplies ads they wish to be seen by a particular demographic, and Google serves them. The advertiser doesn't know the personal details of who is seeing their ads.
It's the same thing Apple did with their iAds, and what they do now with their app search ads. Same as with Google ads, you pay Apple to reach the type of users you want to see your product.
Are you kidding me. Look at both Mac OS and iOS q.c problems. Not to mention hardware issues happening more than once. Antenna gate, graphic cards(mult times). Screen issues.
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This post has nothing to do with the topic. All you stated was 2 company’s products