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The complaints about the notch are inherently dumb. You can either have the notch + some extra screen space OR a bezel that runs across the top and reduced screen space. The only way to avoid either of those choices is no Face ID hardware.

What’s interesting, is for those who I do know have the iPhone X, never even hinted towards the notch or mentioned it at all. The only thing really mentioned about the iPhone X though from what I have heard, was the expensive price point.
 
Unfortunately, this was inevitable and Google has to at least ensure it's supported for any manufacturer that wants to have a notch. When the Essential came out (prior to the X), it wasn't supported. This ensures support, whether the notch is preferred or not.
 
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I hope Samsung powers ahead with behind-screen tech, someone has to do it and it’s clearly not going to be Apple :/
 
Google is more pathetic by the day. They should install cameras on Jony Ive bathroom, so they will know how he takes a ****, so they can copy.

As a company, they are technically dead like Microsoft. In fact they are worst then Microsoft. The later at least created a new interface paradigm, Metro. Google cannot innovate. everything is a copy of what is lauched by some other company.

pathetic.
 
Does anyone with a notch even notice it after a couple weeks? At first I noticed it, then just in landscape, but even that’s fading. I do rarely use my phone in landscape, so for regular users it may remain a consistent pain point.

Yes, I do.

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Also, that’s not the point is it. The whole: “I don’t notice it because I don’t use my phone in landscape, watch many movies or play games so it’s a non issue” is a selfish argument. Many people do use it for all of those things. Just because you don’t use it in those situations to see it enough doesn’t mean it’s perfectly fine. Even if you can’t you should be concerened with the fact that it’s even there in the first place. What ever happened to attention to detail? It appears that ever since Steve died Apple doesn’t seem to give a s*** about it, nor do the apologists now either just because Apple doesn’t anymore.

The fact that’s it’s always attempted to be justified on here proves that it is a failure.

It is an abomination.
 
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FYI, screen to bezel ratio

iPhone X: 82.35%
Galaxy S8: 84.26%
Galaxy Note 8: 82.98%

Good screen to bezel ratio can be possible without a notch - just sayin. Apple happens to have a bigger bezel around the edges compared to the (tiny) top and bottom chins of it’s competitors.

Also, iPhone X users “deal with,” “get used to” the notch. So, no, the notch is not a great design per se. Apple would have gotten rid of it had it been possible at launch. There’s no doubt it’s a compromise not a feature.

Just because you got used to it or don’t care (anymore) doesn’t make criticisms towards it any less valid.

The numbers are marginal and misleading. It's misleading because the Galaxy phones have curved displays, which causes glare and obstructs your view. Also the fingerprint scanner is on the top back, which makes the scanner almost useless.

I've used the S8 and it has a more compromised design than the iPhone X. A slightly higher screen to body ratio isn't enough to overcome an almost useless fingerprint scanner and obstructed display.
 
I find it interesting that so many of the same people who are greatly distracted by bezels, especially black bezels, have no problem with a notch which is more intrusive and causes the screen to have an asymmetrical look.
 
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Does anyone with a notch even notice it after a couple weeks? At first I noticed it, then just in landscape, but even that’s fading. I do rarely use my phone in landscape, so for regular users it may remain a consistent pain point.
At first, it was a little weird, but I’m used to it now. Videos in landscape look good as long as I don’t zoom in. The only issue I see Apple having when they eventually eliminate the notch is how to differentiate that new notch-less iPhone from the sea of Android phones out there.
 
This world is hopeless now. Everyone embraces the notch even though this is an ugly design. They just do what Apple does.

Yeah, no. Essential Phone was the first bezel - less phone with a notch. It is an Android device.
Also, Apple is ceasing production of the iPhone X because of its poor sales and reception. Everyone else innovates, Apple just makes a nicer (more expensive) version.
 
Yeah, no. Essential Phone was the first bezel - less phone with a notch. It is an Android device.
Also, Apple is ceasing production of the iPhone X because of its poor sales and reception. Everyone else innovates, Apple just makes a nicer (more expensive) version.
Apple is ceasing production of the X and replacing it with an identical successor. There won’t be a redesign. They just don’t want the current X to be available as a cheaper option (aka iPhone 7/7+).
 
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Yeah, no. Essential Phone was the first bezel - less phone with a notch. It is an Android device.
Also, Apple is ceasing production of the iPhone X because of its poor sales and reception. Everyone else innovates, Apple just makes a nicer (more expensive) version.
The Essential is not bezeless in the least, it has a large bottom bezel. And the reports are that Apple will replace the 2017 X with a 2018 X—and add a new X Plus model as well. Doubling the number of X models is hardly the same as ceasing production.
 
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oh how the times has changed. who is copying who now?

all the damage control by android fanbois are just hilarious. now they are just lying to make a point
 



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Google's upcoming software update for its Android smartphone operating system will "embrace" an iPhone X notch-like design, according to people familiar with the company's plans speaking to Bloomberg.

With the software, referred to as Android P, Google is readying a "new generation" of Android smartphones that will be "mimicking" the iPhone X's front-facing camera cutout design.

Just like iPhone X, this cutout is believed to be where Android smartphone makers will be placing cameras and other sensors to help Android phones compete with Apple devices in the high-end market.

While Google controls the Android software, many other companies manufacture Android devices and have the ability to tweak the software as they see fit. Because of this, Bloomberg pointed out that "not all Android phones will have notches."

In total, Google's plan for Android P -- shortened from Pistachio Ice Cream -- is to convince more iOS users to switch sides by "improving the look of the software."
Otherwise, Android P will reportedly focus heavily on Google Assistant and improving its abilities. Tighter software integration with the AI assistant will allow developers to integrate it inside of their apps, and Google is considering adding the assistant into the search bar on the Android home screen, but "neither of these changes are finalized for introduction this year." Android P is said to also introduce improved battery life on smartphones and support new designs, including "multiple screens and foldable displays."

Following the launch of the iPhone X, clones of the device began appearing around the world, including in China with the LEAGOO S9 smartphone and its notch-inspired design. Many users have disliked Apple's notch design, and Android smartphone maker Samsung played into that criticism by making fun of the notch in a Samsung Galaxy ad posted on the weekend of the iPhone X launch.

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While Android P is said to be a "dramatic" overhaul amid support for notch designs on a growing number of Android smartphones, Apple's own iOS update in 2018 is believed to be focused more on stability. In January, it was reported that Apple has chosen to delay new software features until 2019 -- like a home screen refresh, Mail improvements, CarPlay updates, and more -- and instead focus on addressing performance and quality issues this year.

Article Link: Google 'Embracing' Notch Design in 2018 Android Update, Preparing for New Wave of iPhone X Clones
Awesome news. Notch is a smartphone trend now :cool: and this starts from Apple best iPhone in Apple history. This news also confirms Apple is a smartphone leader including the awesome notch design leader. Notch is never an issue since its conception. It is a new thing that needs to be adapted by iPhone users. Behold the notch!! :)
 
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The Essential is not bezeless in the least, it has a large bottom bezel. And the reports are that Apple will replace the 2017 X with a 2018 X—and add a new X Plus model as well. Doubling the number of X models is hardly the same as ceasing production.
The Essential wasn't even the first to be bezeless on 3 sides. The Sharp Aquos Crystal was. Man that was a great phone. I enjoyed it immensely.
 
Say it ain't so. Don't own android, but this is a very stupid design decision on their part if this turns out to be true. What is wrong with these tech companies, are they all run by idiots. They're gonna sell a lot of crap phones before they put one out with a bevelless design. The technology needs to be embedded under the glass even if it's not cost effective they need to create one, because we have enough cheaper garbage phone options to choose from.
 
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Say it ain't so. Don't own android, but this is a very stupid design decision on their part if this turns out to be true. What is wrong with these tech companies, are they all run by idiots. They're gonna sell a lot of crap phones before they put one out with a bevelless design. The technology needs to be embedded under the glass even if it's not cost effective they need to create one, because we have enough cheaper garbage phone options to choose from.
Sadly, many companies look at Apple's success and pick up and mimic those things that are not integral to their success. They fail to consider, "Correlation does not imply causation".

For example: "Apple eliminates user-replaceable batteries" and "Apple is successful" results in, "therefore to be successful we must eliminate user-replaceable batteries".

Or it could simply be, "well if Apple was able to get away with it, we should too!"
 
The numbers are marginal and misleading. It's misleading because the Galaxy phones have curved displays, which causes glare and obstructs your view. Also the fingerprint scanner is on the top back, which makes the scanner almost useless.

I've used the S8 and it has a more compromised design than the iPhone X. A slightly higher screen to body ratio isn't enough to overcome an almost useless fingerprint scanner and obstructed display.

The list was to show that a good screen to bezel ratio can be done without a notch, not that Samsung is a "better" phone. If anything, it was a dig at people constantly justifying the notch (some actually like it :rolleyes:) while dismissing any criticisms towards it just because they "got used to it." Plus, the fingerprint sensor being moved to a better location in the back is a simple solution, which by the looks of it, already has been addressed by Samsung according to the leaks.

Marginal or not, wasn't really my point, as I can argue there are other non curved phones with no notch with good screen to bezel ratios that's only marginally less than the X.
 
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The list was to show that a good screen to bezel ratio can be done without a notch, not that Samsung is a "better" phone. If anything, it was a dig at people constantly justifying the notch (some actually like it :rolleyes:) while dismissing any criticisms towards it just because they "got used to it." Plus, the fingerprint sensor being moved to a better location in the back is a simple solution, which by the looks of it, already has been addressed by Samsung according to the leaks.

Marginal or not, wasn't really my point, as I can argue there are other non curved phones with no notch with good screen to bezel ratios that's only marginally less than the X.

I prefer the notch over the inferior UX of the S8. Design isn’t just about looks, it’s also about function.
 
The complaints about the notch are inherently dumb. You can either have the notch + some extra screen space OR a bezel that runs across the top and reduced screen space. The only way to avoid either of those choices is no Face ID hardware.

Well, a certain number of people who are either very visionary or very clueless think the hardware should be under the display. That's a way off. So we're left with your two alternatives (I agree). I had an X for five weeks. I can't say the notch bothered me, but there are some apps that normal users run where the notch is an unwelcome and unaesthetic intrusion. I don't understand what functional design goal the notch serves. Put a thin bezel all the way across and call it done. The notch seems almost dishonest from a design perspective. Maybe the designers didn't see it as function, though - perhaps it's basically branding, in which case it seems to have had its 15 minutes of fame and may be destined for mass imitation.
 
FYI, screen to bezel ratio

iPhone X: 82.35%
Galaxy S8: 84.26%
Galaxy Note 8: 82.98%

Good screen to bezel ratio can be possible without a notch - just sayin. Apple happens to have a bigger bezel around the edges compared to the (tiny) top and bottom chins of it’s competitors.

Also, iPhone X users “deal with,” “get used to” the notch. So, no, the notch is not a great design per se. Apple would have gotten rid of it had it been possible at launch. There’s no doubt it’s a compromise not a feature.

Just because you got used to it or don’t care (anymore) doesn’t make criticisms towards it any less valid.

Dude, seriously??? How in the hell did you come up with your calculations??? Just simply looking at pics of each phone, the iPhone, with out a ? Of a doubt.... has less bezel!!! There is at least 1/4 to 1/3 of an inch on bottom and top of both galaxy phones, not to mention the bezel on sides even tho it wraps around, there is still bezel!!!
 
For example: "Apple eliminates user-replaceable batteries" and "Apple is successful" results in, "therefore to be successful we must eliminate user-replaceable batteries".

Or it could simply be, "well if Apple was able to get away with it, we should too!"

I believe it's more of the latter. Monkey see, monkey do. Planned obsolescence=Profits. Logitech saw the opportunity to embed their batteries in their wireless mice so they cannot be replaced and when questioned about the longevity of the device, they could not answer, only give guesstimates regarding battery expectancy under certain conditions. Apple is leading everyone down the road to ruin with their policies and design choices.

Regardless of these record profits and units sold reports that keep coming out, if all companies behaved like Apple, we'd all be swimming in the toilet right now. It's unfortunate there isn't a Bill Gates-type that can replicate Apples software design/functionality and put it on PC components and get away with it. You'd see Apple shut its doors within the year.
 
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