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whatsapp… i dont even remember when someone whould have sent me sms/iMessage i see people only using whatsapp in public.
 
Americans seem to use "blue chat bubbles" as some sort of class differentiator and a bragging right, so Apple will hold onto that selling point for the foreseeable future.

In Europe, WhatsApp is standard. It's not ideal (Facebook owned), but at least its available on every phone.

ROFLMAO!

like this proposal you seem to think sms is not THE standard (including mms here).

these are THE most cross platform standards out there and have lasted literary a generation.

seems more like a push to make iMessage not as popular and bring something to non iOS platforms unified.
 
Are you able to speculate why Google would pay Apple $11B per year to be the default search engine? What benefits does Google gain by paying $900M per month to Apple to be the default engine when Apple could have NOT accepted the money and allow its privacy conscious users to select during activation?

Google Search is probably the most privacy invasive part of Google, yet Apple is rather happy to accept $900M per month JUST by literally doing nothing more than being the default.

the reason you cannot change the default browser during activation is because neither Google or it’s hardware manufacturers nor Apple like Nokia SonyEricsson, Blackberry Samsung in the past possibly currently will NOT endorse out of the box a competitors software vs their own or their primary partner vendors offerings. Isn’t that obvious, and it’s not just an Apple thing.
 
Can someone help me understand why RCS is something people should care about? Maybe I’m just getting old, but I am still shocked when I see new emojis being added in updates. Have we lost the ability to communicate with words and are transitioning to pictures? How do people even know what half the emojis mean without typing out the emoji you’re looking for (and increasing the number of inputs to type emotion and then click to use)?
 
Can someone help me understand why RCS is something people should care about? Maybe I’m just getting old, but I am still shocked when I see new emojis being added in updates. Have we lost the ability to communicate with words and are transitioning to pictures? How do people even know what half the emojis mean without typing out the emoji you’re looking for (and increasing the number of inputs to type emotion and then click to use)?

They are turning us into zombies
 
I don’t understand all the references to iMessage & WhatsApp, this is SMS isn’t it rather than the various essentially free wifi/internet messaging?
 
Can someone help me understand why RCS is something people should care about? Maybe I’m just getting old, but I am still shocked when I see new emojis being added in updates. Have we lost the ability to communicate with words and are transitioning to pictures? How do people even know what half the emojis mean without typing out the emoji you’re looking for (and increasing the number of inputs to type emotion and then click to use)?
There are so many emojis I find selecting them is a nightmare. (I sometimes need to use them to provide examples for others.) Despite that number there are so many gaps, it is tedious deciding what you want to express then finding a suitable emoji is not available. The other day, I wanted "sausage" but could only find the inappropriate "hotdog". There are so many skin tones, yet we cannot express vitiligo. And as soon as you make a choice about which skin tone to use, you are in some way pinning something to that shade.

And so many do not work cross-platform. Flags on Windows anyone?

Yes, revert to words.
 
As a fellow European, I'm not entirely sure I believe this, unless you have some statistics to back it up with?

I've never used WhatsApp, by the way.
WhatsApp is the messenger all hustlers want to communicate with, when they offer you their sure-thing Bitcoin investments.
 
Can someone help me understand why RCS is something people should care about? Maybe I’m just getting old, but I am still shocked when I see new emojis being added in updates. Have we lost the ability to communicate with words and are transitioning to pictures? How do people even know what half the emojis mean without typing out the emoji you’re looking for (and increasing the number of inputs to type emotion and then click to use)?

It's not really about emojis, it's about being able to send and receive a wide variety of media types, end to end encrypted, to as many phones as possible, regardless of where in the world they are, at no extra cost and in decent quality. iMessage does that, WhatsApp does that, Signal does that, but SMS/MMS certainly does not.

You don't have to be a teenager either to want to send photos and videos to other people in good quality. Think photos of children/grandchildren to your family, for example.

Both my wife's and my family are abroad, without messenger services we'd be very cut off because email just isn't the same.

I'm not sure RCS would really make a difference because here in Europe, as well as in Latin America where my wife is from, basically everyone uses WhatsApp. However, I'd love it if we had an actual standard again that could do all these things out of the box without fragmentation across messengers.

Maybe RCS is it, maybe it isn't, but these are the reasons I care about it because it could be.
 
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It's not really about emojis, it's about being able to send and receive a wide variety of media types, end to end encrypted, to as many phones as possible, regardless of where in the world they are, at no extra cost and in decent quality. iMessage does that, WhatsApp does that, Signal does that, but SMS/MMS certainly does not.

You don't have to be a teenager either to want to send photos and videos to other people in good quality. Think photos of children/grandchildren to your family, for example.

Both my wife's and my family are abroad, without messenger services we'd be very cut off because email just isn't the same.

I'm not sure RCS would really make a difference because here in Europe, as well as in Latin America where my wife is from, basically everyone uses WhatsApp. However, I'd love it if we had an actual standard again that could do all these things out of the box without fragmentation across messengers.

Maybe RCS is it, maybe it isn't, but these are the reasons I care about it because it could be.
Doesn't it make more sense to send a link of some sort rather than the media?

Even if it is all hidden away such that the sender and the recipient don't actually need to think about how it happens.

In which case a secured enhancement to SMS could do most of the job. With the sending app make a short-enough link to an item held in, say, iCloud, and the receiving app recognising that and downloading it.
 
Doesn't it make more sense to send a link of some sort rather than the media?

Even if it is all hidden away such that the sender and the recipient don't actually need to think about how it happens.

In which case a secured enhancement to SMS could do most of the job. With the sending app make a short-enough link to an item held in, say, iCloud, and the receiving app recognising that and downloading it.

I'm not a tech person per se, but enhancing SMS clients to incorporate all sorts of cloud storage solutions and making sure all of these support the sharing of images and other media automatically so that they show up in my conversation without me needing to click on a link etc and making sure that this works across iOS and Android sounds like an overly complicated solution to something every messenger out there has already more or less solved.

And this still doesn't solve the problem that SMS across borders can be quite unreliable and expensive. My plan has unlimited texting only within the UK.

And all of this just to keep using SMS? What's the point?
 
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A Google executive is extending an open hand to help Apple adopt RCS, a new communication protocol called Rich Communication Services to iPhone and iPad, that would replace standard SMS and offer improved cross-platform messaging capabilities.

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With RCS, Android to Android messaging communication will become fully end-to-end encrypted. In contrast, Android to iPhone communication often referred to as the "green bubble," will be less secure due to Apple's unwillingness to adopt RCS.

Article Link: Google Executive Wants to Help Apple Make Texts Between Android and iPhone Users More Secure
“Hey, Google, what’s that behind you?”

“Oh, that’s just a wooden model horse. We’re gonna leave it here for you and give up the fight. …”
 
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I'm not a tech person per se, but enhancing SMS clients to incorporate all sorts of cloud storage solutions and making sure all of these support the sharing of images and other media automatically so that they show up in my conversation without me needing to click on a link etc and making sure that this works across iOS and Android sounds like an overly complicated solution to something every messenger out there has already more or less solved.

And this still doesn't solve the problem that SMS across borders can be quite unreliable and expensive. My plan has unlimited texting only within the UK.

And all of this just to keep using SMS? What's the point?
I think that's why RCS is a standard that's meant to replace SMS. RCS uses data not SMS, and can fallback to SMS as needed. Think of RCS as iMessage but intended to be cross-platform and to fully replace SMS.
 
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the reason you cannot change the default browser during activation is because neither Google or it’s hardware manufacturers nor Apple like Nokia SonyEricsson, Blackberry Samsung in the past possibly currently will NOT endorse out of the box a competitors software vs their own or their primary partner vendors offerings. Isn’t that obvious, and it’s not just an Apple thing.
Apple can easily offer the users upon activation or first launch of Safari to select their own search engine such as DuckDuckGo, Google, Bing, etc... But instead of doing that, they happily accept $900M per month from Google to be the default engine without that choice. In the end, it's all about the $11,000,000,000/yr.
 
I already admitted I can't speculate. Can you factually say why google is paying Apple 11B per year? I'll bet you believe you can formulate a pretty good guess...but you don't really know.

Can you tell me how privacy is changed if Apple didn't accept the money or google didn't offer it?
Neither you nor I can factually say why Google is willing to pay Apple $900,000,000 per month to make Google Search as the default engine. That's not even what I asking. I am asking for your OPINION why Google is paying Apple $900M per month to Apple and why Apple accepts it. I won't hold your opinion against you.

For such a privacy minded Apple, what's your opinion on why Apple does not make it a user choice to select say DuckDuckGo, Bing, Google, or other search engines? Google Search is basically the antithesis of Apple's stance on privacy.
 
Uh......NO! "google executive.....extending an open hand....." Seriously?? Does anyone recall the ancient history of approximately 30 days ago of the HACK into Apple iMessage that enabled the hackers to get into the phones without our awareness? Do you really think that a chinese executive has no ulterior motive in finding a way into Apple phones that will mimic the same way the Chinese Communist Party keeps track of their citizens? Please, please, Apple, do not fall for this transparent desire to gain access to iPhone users all around the world. A desire for privacy on our phones and in the Apple ecosystem is what keeps loyal Apple fans purchasing all Apple products.
 
Or Apple could just develop a messaging app for Windows and Android. We know they have the capability. The fact that we are still in a Windows V MacOS & iOS V Android world in 2021 is nuts. People should be able to move between OS's and devices fluently. Each device/OS has their strengths and people should be able to switch between them to leverage those strengths when needed.

Obviously if they opened up Messages to Windows and Android they would lose a small number of people buying an iPhone or Mac, but honestly, if more people were able to use iMessage it would function as an entry into the Apple ecosystem and likely boost sales long term.
Not in my house. Apple will lose my business, including keeping updated M1 iMac; MacBook Pro; 3 iPhones; M1 MacMini; 5 Home Pods; and 2 Watches. Without the exclusive ecosystem and protection of privacy, there is no reason to purchase Apple products.....None. If you make them all "equal" and accessible to one another, why purchase Apple devices? I believe they would lose massive amounts of business. Please allow the rest of us to maintain at least one space that is free from Google and predatory apps if we choose to do so. You all have many options for communicating with friends and family. Please leave iMessage alone.
 
If anyone has any citations to the contrary it would be great to see. Saying a number that is difficult to prove anyway, is incorrect , without rational or citation is a typical Internet tactic.
So when you personalty speculate about Apple's business culture like you are some high-up working for them, you don't need any citations when a logical deduction is presented you suddenly need citations. Most iMessage users are in US, how many people live in the US? definitely not 1.3 billion which is actually the estimate total number of iphone users(actually slightly higher than the estimated 1 billion).

Also I didn't mention the 1.3 billion number. At least follow the conversation.
 
Neither you nor I can factually say why Google is willing to pay Apple $900,000,000 per month to make Google Search as the default engine. That's not even what I asking. I am asking for your OPINION why Google is paying Apple $900M per month to Apple and why Apple accepts it. I won't hold your opinion against you.

For such a privacy minded Apple, what's your opinion on why Apple does not make it a user choice to select say DuckDuckGo, Bing, Google, or other search engines? Google Search is basically the antithesis of Apple's stance on privacy.
He won't say anything that's not absolutely positive to apple.
 
Americans seem to use "blue chat bubbles" as some sort of class differentiator and a bragging right, so Apple will hold onto that selling point for the foreseeable future.

In Europe, WhatsApp is standard. It's not ideal (Facebook owned), but at least its available on every phone.
I must not be from the same Europe as you, cos Ive never used WhatsApp and very few I know do
 
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