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Google Facing Difficulties Getting iTunes Competitor Off The Ground

qtx43 said:
Miss by a mile, indeed. You can't read.
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A tablet is always without keyboard. What's that got anything to do with touch screen keyboard on phone, which always has keyboard before iPhone? If you said you have iPhone then yes I'll admit I can't read.
Or I can rephrase it: "You are one of those idiots crawling at Engadget who saw Macworld 2007 keynote and think only one thing.. "AT&T? Yuck!!!" Cool?
 
1. Was the iPhone the first smart phone = No
2. Is the iPhone best smart phone = yes and no, depends on what you like and your needs.
3. Did it change the cell phone industry = Yes, are the experts agree. Apple simply did what they always have done. They improve on a product that has already been established in most cases.

The Apple ecosystem is no more open or closed then any other system, Apple, Android, Rim, Windows etc.

If I want to do certain things with an iPhone I have to jailbreak it, same with Android it's just called rooting.

end of story, move on
 
gorgeousninja said:
People talk about a so-called 'reality distortion field' about Steve Jobs and yet everyday we get people blatantly ignoring truth because it doesn't fit with their own personal world view.

Yes, there were Palms, and Blackberries, Nokia's, Sony-Ericssons, and Panasonics etc before the iPhone but when we all saw the iPhone everyone instantly knew that was the future; touch-screen, icon based, intuitive, with an emphasis on both design and usability.

You might not like the fact that Apple revolutionized the phone market but history says otherwise.
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Everything on the original iPhone was already in use by other phones. Apple simply combined them all together in one phone and made it simpler to use. It revolutionized yeah, by simply bringing that stuff to the front of peoples minds.
 
hob said:
why do music companies make it so difficult to distribute their music? weird.
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It's because they wan't to make it more enticing for people to steal music instead of making it easier for them to buy it. They can sue 80 year old ladies for a $million for 1 Incubus song... (no, seriously, they did.) That's a much better haul than 99 cents right? :D

Rodimus Prime said:
Sounds like the Record companies are being their typical stupid selves. Only reason Apple is really able to get away with it is because they are Apple. It is not the closed system part but because they are Apple. I bet if the record company could they would say F you to Apple and pull out. I also would not be surpised if they regreat now making a deal with them when iTunes first launched.

This stinks over all. It is not closed or open argument. This is a record company being record companies.
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iTunes made legally downloading relevant. We'd still not have a model like this if Apple hadn't done it (no one thought apple would grow to such a behmoth back at the time iTunes Store was born). We'd having something, but I doubt we'd have the flexibility of individual tracks at that price if individual tracks at all. Really, even though there is still piracy, iTunes probably saved the music industry more than it killed it IMO. And if the record labels don't like people cherry picking the 2 good songs of an ablbum, start putting out artists that have albums without filler (like that kesha creature)
 
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dethmaShine said:
20gigs of free storage if you purchase a single album?
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Purchase an MP3 album from the Amazon MP3 Store by 11:59 PM PST on December 31, 2011.
If you qualify for this offer and either have not signed up for Amazon Cloud Drive or have the 5GB Amazon Cloud Drive plan, you will be automatically eligible for the 20 GB plan for one year from the date of your MP3 album purchase. Unless you set your account to auto-renew to a paid plan, the 20 GB plan will revert to a free plan one year from the date of your MP3 album purchase.
If your Amazon Cloud Drive account is already at 20 GB or higher when you qualify for this offer, the offer will be saved to your account as a $20 credit toward any future Amazon Cloud Drive plan fees you may incur at the time your plan renews or at the time you upgrade your plan. If you elect to downgrade your plan to a free plan at the time of renewal, your upgrade offer will be applied towards the 20 GB plan at that time.
Note: Once we process your order, which could take up to 3 hours, your promotion will be applied and you will receive email notification that your Cloud Drive storage plan has been updated..
Note: This promotional offer limited to one promotional credit per customer.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000667531

My question was WHY.
 
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brianfast said:
Apple has by far the most restrictive ecosystem. You can't even load applications that are not approved by Apple.
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Ahhhh.... dude... the only Apps that don't really get approved are ones that do things that can cause security risks or just plain trying to steal your information.

Yeah, I know... there are also Apps that break the rules and get axed, but for the most part, my first point is true. Any legitimate application can get approved.

If you keep up with Android apps, security is one of the their problems. Open? Yes... risky? Yes.
 
Popeye206 said:
Ahhhh.... dude... the only Apps that don't really get approved are ones that do things that can cause security risks or just plain trying to steal your information.
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Disclaimer: I am NOT directing this comment at you Popeye, it's just a comment :)

This crap about the only apps that don't get approved is a bunch of BS.

Steve Jobs wants you (using the word "you" generically) to believe this load of cow dung.

The truth is, that the only apps approved are the ones that have been looked at with a magnifying glass to be sure there isn't anything that Apple does not like. They make all decisions for their users (which includes me).

So... I'm not bashing Apple, I'm a huge Apple customer of many years and have spent tens of thousands of dollars with them.

I know Apple well and I am simply sharing my viewpoint.

That's it. Nothing sinister on my part.

I neither love them or hate them. It is what it is.
 
Popeye206 said:
Ahhhh.... dude... the only Apps that don't really get approved are ones that do things that can cause security risks or just plain trying to steal your information.
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First off, Apple does not have the time or ways to check for security risks. They don't have the source code, and we've already seen apps with banned talents appear. Moreover, security research shows that many iOS apps can access personal information (and many do send that off to remote servers without Apple making a peep).

As for approvals, apps that "duplicate" Apple functionality are banned. That alone means a lot of cool stuff is not available from their store.

You also cannot write a homebrew app for your friends and give it to them to use, unless you want to pay $100 a year to keep a dev license going. That's another reason why there's so much crud in the app store.

Unfortunately, we've also seen apps approved that should never have been, such as the baby shaker one.

Don't confuse approval control with a guarantee of either security or quality.
 
Popeye206 said:
Ahhhh.... dude... the only Apps that don't really get approved are ones that do things that can cause security risks or just plain trying to steal your information.

Yeah, I know... there are also Apps that break the rules and get axed, but for the most part, my first point is true. Any legitimate application can get approved.

If you keep up with Android apps, security is one of the their problems. Open? Yes... risky? Yes.
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Didn't that lady's iAd gallery app get rejected?

also, the Google Voice had problems getting out. And different browsers didn't appear for a long while I thought.
 
Popeye206 said:
Ahhhh.... dude... the only Apps that don't really get approved are ones that do things that can cause security risks or just plain trying to steal your information.

Yeah, I know... there are also Apps that break the rules and get axed, but for the most part, my first point is true. Any legitimate application can get approved.

If you keep up with Android apps, security is one of the their problems. Open? Yes... risky? Yes.
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Apple does censor things they do not want certain content on the appstore. Show a nip and you get axed I highly disagree with that enable a type of parental control don't chose for me
 
hob said:
why do music companies make it so difficult to distribute their music? weird.
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Because, strange as it sounds, the music business still haven't realized their business is selling music. They still think their business is selling CDs. So whenever they sell an album as a download they think of it as a lost sale of a CD. Weird indeed.
 
brianfast said:
Apple has by far the most restrictive ecosystem. You can't even load applications that are not approved by Apple.
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That's the truth! With an Andriod download I can easy get a free Trojan program along with the app I wanted.

The Trojans seem to work but many of the apps don't. Dam Apple to heck for not letting people load any old crapo they want into iTunes.
 
AndroidfoLife said:
Apple does censor things they do not want certain content on the appstore. Show a nip and you get axed I highly disagree with that enable a type of parental control don't chose for me
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Want to see a nip? Just turn on iPhone Safari and you can jump on the internet and see the whole tit. Apple has a right to offer a store that is kid friendly, and in the end may make them more money than if they let hookers walk the aisles.

iTunes is a safe place. It's free of smut and malware. Everyone can go there and have a good time, like Disneyland.
 
CQd44 said:
And different browsers didn't appear for a long while I thought.
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There still aren't any full third party browsers that reside wholly on the device.

Apple doesn't allow it, because it could lead to being able to run apps that Apple didn't approve, and/or security holes.

There's no Chrome, Firefox, standalone Opera.

They only allow shells around their own browser core (and now not even their best core, because of JIT security worries)... or things like Opera Mini where code is executed on a remote server.
 
AndroidfoLife said:
Everything on the original iPhone was already in use by other phones. Apple simply combined them all together in one phone and made it simpler to use. It revolutionized yeah, by simply bringing that stuff to the front of peoples minds.
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I'm confused. What are you denying in this post?
brianfast said:
Apple has by far the most restrictive ecosystem. You can't even load applications that are not approved by Apple.
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Unless....you really want to. Then you can just root your system and do whatever you want. Like, opening yourself up to malware. That was very popular with the Windows users.
 
AndroidfoLife said:
Everything on the original iPhone was already in use by other phones. Apple simply combined them all together in one phone and made it simpler to use. It revolutionized yeah, by simply bringing that stuff to the front of peoples minds.
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oh so they just 'brought all those things together, and made it easier to use'..

Isn't that just a very ungracious way of saying that Apple introduced a phone the like of which no-one had seen before and thus revolutionized the market then?
 
AndroidfoLife said:
I just want to sync my music. **** itunes **** what ever. I love bit torrent. I refuse to pay for music or movies.
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Nice one arsehole. Ruining my industry. I hope you don't get paid for the next few shifts you do at work and then maybe you'll realise how selfish and greedy you're being.
 
roadbloc said:
Nice one arsehole. Ruining my industry. I hope you don't get paid for the next few shifts you do at work and then maybe you'll realise how selfish and greedy you're being.
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True, that's a huge problem with kids, they have been repeatedly worshiped by their parents, thus and air of entitlement is all they know.
 
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