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It starts out by mentioning one reason then goes on to make a conclusion that is completely unrelated.
I'm not an employee of google. Not a fan of forking unless something better results in it and world domination is over-rated. Still didn't find it funny or well written. I see it as snarky and easily "referenced" as FUD.
Did you read the link I posted? It's not funny either. But it does explain the benefits that could occur with the fork.
This is so true. I've posted about Acxiom before complete with links to some of their more extreme & nefarious actions.
Yet it goes ignored as the Apple disciples & Google haters are hyper paranoid in order to support & justify their fear of Google.
If we take ten steps back, looking at the big picture, it's not the tech companies like Google that are on the attack behind the scenes, it's Big Data.
But in this community it's only fashionable to support the long since deceased CEO.
Indeed. And that's the point of view I take. All companies mine data. You either accept that or live on a cash only basis and stay offline.
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This forking is only going to benefit... everyone.
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Well, except Apple, it won't benefit them.
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Well, except Apple, it won't benefit them.
Well said. According to my calendar it's 2013. Why not accept that things change & times change. Determine what works for each of us & act accordingly.
Many here are below the age of fifty, yet complain & act paranoid like some people in their eighties.
Apparently some people feel good about living in a "whoa is me" stage. Especially when they're used to being told what to do and having restricted choices.
I don't know anything about chrome really, but my browsers of choice are chromium/firefox - this fork looks like great news!
Many Chromium bug reports i've read were closed as upstream WebKit problems with Google unable to do anything about them - There's been loads of apple blocking and in this case with forking, even the short term looks good! Leaner, platform agnostic and with the vast of majority heavyweight coders the future looks good!
We've even got gecko slowly improving as a 'just in case' option to servo. I'm slightly worried that servo is Samsung pulling an Apple and attempting to focus development to their platforms, but I'm not really following it and simply want to add my own ignorant speculation. I do find it funny that Rust is using llvm while apple themselves use gcc for much of their 'bug stuff'
Many Chromium bug reports i've read were closed as upstream WebKit problems with Google unable to do anything about them - There's been loads of apple blocking and in this case with forking, even the short term looks good! Leaner, platform agnostic and with the vast of majority heavyweight coders the future looks good!
We've even got gecko slowly improving as a 'just in case' option to servo. I'm slightly worried that servo is Samsung pulling an Apple and attempting to focus development to their platforms, but I'm not really following it and simply want to add my own ignorant speculation. I do find it funny that Rust is using llvm while apple themselves use gcc for much of their 'bug stuff'
It will benefit Apple in the same way, that they will be able to clean up code related to chromium, and can make less considerations about the interest of others going forward.
Google sells the advertising space targeting you.
Google has advanced intimate knowledge of what you do online.
This is not enough for you?
You wanna quote me, quote me right.
We are talking web browsing habits data. Google works with that to sell ads.
No such other company does that to that magnitude.
Apple's main business is not ad placement.
Apple doesn't mine browsing data habits.
Please contradict that.
iAds serves Ads on Apps.
Google mines your online browsing activity.
It mines the data. It doesn't sell it. It sells appropriate ad placement for its advertising clients.
Having the data is already plenty for me.
No other company has the same amount of BROWSING data about you.
Apple can't even ship iOS on time without stealing developers from OS X. Safari is terrible.
What people miss is the reason this is happening is Google refused to allow its thread model to be integrated into WebKit compelling Apple to go its own way with WebKit 2. Apple has since simplified its burden by ditching Safari on Windows and focusing (if you can call it that) on Safari on iOS and, sometimes, OS X.
In light of Google's move, Opera's again shifted gears and ditched Webkit for Blink.
I don't see how Apple or end users come out on top. Sorry to say but Webkit itself will necessarily wither and fall behind.
Splitting hairs. Whatever the means of collecting data - they have the data. And they use it for demographics. Target doesn't care about your web browsing (unless you're on their site). Yet they collect tons of data about your shopping habits.
Look - if you want to witchhunt Google and hold them to a different standard or just blast them - go right ahead. But spread FUD as you did earlier over and over and over and then changing goalposts to do it is just sloppy debate.
I'm done with this conversation with you, specifically. You're never going to convince me you understand the conversation we've had and I'm certainly not going to be able to explain it any clearer. Have a great day.
Just to clarify, bigger in what sense? I'm assuming you're talking value & money in the bank but just wanted to check.
The issue is, Apple dont manage their software teams well, historicaly. They had to pull people from OSX to get iOS released on time, they had to do a mass hiring a week after Maps came out to fix it, and only now are they bringing in people to improve the quality of their map data for each country.
You get the feeling that the management of each software department is told "ok in 12 months time you are going to release this product. Here's the 50 members of staff you'll have working on it, and your budget is $<abc>. You cant go over budget and you cant have any more staff." Then 1 month before its due, they realize they screwed up so get all hands on deck to get something finished.
Just lost all credibility right there. Especially since Google and Apple have a near identical privacy policy, and Google collect the same information as Apple, Microsoft and any other company with an advertising network.
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There's nothing wrong with calling something betaIsn't "beta", "beta", "beta" instead?
As stated before, so much for web standards...
Google seem to use it a lot as they always have (or had) a lot of sideprojects due to their 20% agreement with staff.The benefit of the beta tag is you can add/remove features at any time as you've warned people its not perfect.
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Forgot the </sarcasm> tag?
I was talking about valuation. Money talks, and if Apple sees fit to devote its vast resources to WebKit, it is more than capable of doing so.
Secondly, I meant the last remark as a joke. But I will say this: you have got to be joking. Does Safari phone home every time I access a website to cache my browsing habits so as to deliver me more targeted advertising? Privacy policies are legalese, and they tell you basically nothing about what a company actually does.
Apple has far less incentive than Google to violate someone's privacy, because their money does not come from advertising. iAds are not browser need, and they're not a major business, either. Google, on the other hand, relies almost exclusive on violating your privacy to stay in business, to the point that they will literally hack your browser to steal as much information from you as possible.
You just gave the biggest reason why Google has GREATER incentive to keep your privacy. It's their core business.
They don't rely on violating your privacy. Where are you getting this crap from? And "your browser" is a complete over generalization. You mean to say they hacked ONE browser - Safari. And was caught. And it's not an issue anymore. And they weren't trying to steal "as much information" as possible.
The hyperbole and FUD in your post is outstanding!
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Companies throwing money and resources at something doesn't guarantee success as we all know (we're on a tech site!).
I know as little as you do. Safari and chrome are closed source. No reason you can't use chromium though (if you're that concerned about privacy why aren't you using chromium or Firefox?), chrome is just easier to get because there's a monetary incentive and is plastered on home pages. But... We're talking rendering engines - nice, simple, incredibly complicated, daily-use rendering engines.
You understand business yeah? It's not all 'nice-guys', it's simply about making money. Apple may make the majority of its money by selling cables at a 10000% profit margin, but at no point in time will they be sitting back and ignoring their more successful competition with regards to advertising - I'm confused why you're confused and missing a rather huge point - they're both mining and advertising....
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I wonder if this is the real reason. Safari on iOS runs way faster on my almost 3 year old iPhone 4 than on a last year's Samsung or HTC phone running Android 4.x with either the default Android Browser or Chrome. And really, it's not even a comparison. Google developed their own mobile code that kinda failed mainly in their default Android Browser. Their Chrome browser however, mostly based on the desktop version, performs quite a bit better.
You really trust someone who hacked a browser with your privacy? That was Google showing their true colors.
Your statement makes no sense. Google has absolutely no incentive to protect your privacy, but every incentive to learn as much as possible about you. That's how they deliver more relevant ads, which you are more likely to click.
If I don't want to be tracked on my iPad, I can turn off ad tracking, as far as iAds are concerned. Does Google offer such an option? And beyond that, as I've already said, iAds does not extend to the browser.
It's nonsense, and a speculation on the part of that blogger. The fact that the code contains parts that is unrelated to chromium does not mean that it's compiled and becomes part of the executable.
Why is it that people here get offended just because Apple uses Webkit? It's so childish. If anything it sounds like good news, because these two new web engines Blink and Servo will be built from the ground up to take advantage of today's hardware. (Edit: Just Servo is being built from the ground up.) In other words, the reason they're doing it is because it's going to be faster and more advance.
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