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If this is as true as you claim, I'm still very worried about it. Google is the one company I don't want to have my information.
I use safari daily and never have less than 17 tabs open for school or work many times I'll have multiple windows with just as many tabs. I'm not sure what you are doing wrong. I have used to different customer relation management systems they recommended firefox and said safari wouldn't work. Firefox crashed constantly and in each case I decided to just try Safari anyway and it worked better, without the crashing. So I started taking my mac to work so I could actually get work done.
Who says he or I are doing anything wrong? Maybe our use case/experience is different than yours. It's possible, you know.
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Neat, will be nice to try. Already I have gone from my beloved safari to chrome because of various page loading issues especially flash. The chrome version of flash is so much better than Adobe's version. Videos load instantly on youtube compared to safari waiting about 5 seconds. I trust google when it comes to web browsers. They seem to be a bit more specialised in this field than Apple is. Although, scrolling is definitely not as smooth as Safari but isn't enough to switch me back yet.
The difference being, Google makes money through selling advertising to other businesses. The businesses you mention make money through selling goods to you. It's not in their interest to sell their clients data. Clients lists and info are retailers most prized possessions!
On the other hand, you are not Google's client. Ad businesses are Google's clients, and they make money by selling you ads. It's in their interest to know what you want and are looking for online.
Look for motives and incentives in businesses and you'll know what you should be wary of.
Sorry I have absolutely no idea what or who you are referring to.
Just develop for Blink and you'll hit the majority of the audience you seek. The others will fade into obscurity soon enough.
Part of the problem is that some terms have definitive legal definitions and sometimes it is difficult to divorce the words from the legal definition.
Plus your definition seems to include pretty much all data that could be gathered by a website so it is too broad to be meaningful.
Apple doesn't make any money off of webapps. Why would it care about Safari?
Besides, Safari is a major vector for inappropriate material, like porn, finding its way onto Apple's hardware.
Apps are quickly replacing the web in AppleLand. They are both profitable and able to be controlled centrally.
Its not in Google's interest to do this, people would just use another browser if Chrome was throttled in this way. Google must make Chrome great so people will want to use it. The quality of Firefox is going down fast IMO, so browser domination is Google's opportunity to loose.
1. You're naive. Yes - some of those business sell products. That's one pillar of their business. Guess what though? Supermarkets, etc - they also collect that data for brands to target you with coupons, etc (read: ADS). For example - read this about Target: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...nancies-expect-more-savvy-data-mining-tricks/
Just like you state "It's not in their interest to sell their clients data. Clients lists and info are retailers most prized possessions!" - the same is for Google. How you can not see this is amazing. Their data and your actual privacy is paramount to their business.
2. You have no idea what I'm referring to. How sad.
RMWEBS wrote: "We here all the time on MacRumors about how Google is evil, however when it comes to proving it and backing comments up, posters either vanish, or come back with the same 1 liner about the Safari exploit, which was clearly an isolated incident involving a dodgy developer at Google, and some poor security on Apples part."
You then replied, "Read the above link about Google's tracking Safari users who don't want to be tracked."
If you don't get it now - that's your issue.
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About 6 months ago. Looks like there are a few more extensions now, but still nowhere near the likes of Chrome or Firefox. Not by a long shot.
Yup, and it works the same way with chrome. It only calls home if you log into your gmail/google account in the browser. In comparison, Safari iOS calls home regardless. If you trace the network on it, it connects to Apple for virtually every page load. If thats not tracking I dont know what is.
Yup, Google did do that, and they shouldn't have done. There really is no excuse for it, at the same time Apple isn't innocent, they knew it was a bug, they knew it was possible. Google were obviously a lot more at fault, but Apple aren't innocent bystanders here.
Given that it was a one-time incident, if Apple had been caught doing that once, I assume your anti-trust views would then be aimed at them for life, as they ar with Google, correct?
I only ask, as in 2011 Steve Jobs has to make an apology, as it was discovered that Apple had been tracking users locations in an unencrypted file on every iOS device, allowing any app to access all your location data. It was probably down to 1 silly mistake by a developer at Apple....shockingly, just like the Google incident.
So as it stands, both companies have a level record when it comes to user privacy.
You'd be a fool to trust ANY online service with your data, Apple's included. I dont trust any of them, I just have to put faith in their operations.
Do I believe Google, Apple, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc do the right thing when it comes to privacy? Yes. Again, you'd be a fool to think otherwise. No company will last long if it starts violating user's privacy as part of it's business.
chrome has the best adblocker, so I'll likely continue to use chrome.
some funny stuff in this thread
some funny stuff in this thread
This thread is quit amusing. Apparently some people here would feel very comfortable dancing naked and getting paid to kiss anyone that paid for it and others are much more interested in privacy and not letting others know them personally.
Google gives away a lot of free software/functionality in return for access to your personal habits. Period. If you feel comfortable with that, then more power to you. If you don't feel comfortable with that then more power to you.
In a free country neither should be right or wrong.
Unfortunately, we are losing freedoms every day and without balance we will lose them all. Thats why we have and need 3 branches of government and its also why we should have multiple browsers and why we should not let one browser/company win the browser/platform war.
When we have just one, its called a dictatorship and regardless of how humble and nice the dictator started, they will become evil. Its the way of the world for thousands of years, its never failed to happen, and it applies as much to Google, Apple as it does the US (or any) Government.
Its not right or wrong, it just is, unless it becomes one. Lets make sure that does not happen.
Google gives away a lot of free software/functionality in return for access to your personal habits. Period. If you feel comfortable with that, then more power to you. If you don't feel comfortable with that then more power to you.
In a free country neither should be right or wrong.
Unfortunately, we are losing freedoms every day and without balance we will lose them all. Thats why we have and need 3 branches of government and its also why we should have multiple browsers and why we should not let one browser/company win the browser/platform war.
When we have just one, its called a dictatorship and regardless of how humble and nice the dictator started, they will become evil. Its the way of the world for thousands of years, its never failed to happen, and it applies as much to Google, Apple as it does the US (or any) Government.
Its not right or wrong, it just is, unless it becomes one. Lets make sure that does not happen.
Google is making the right decision. They have been pushing hard over the past several years to make Webkit and Chrome really shine. And I stopped using Safari a while ago. Not because of any special services Google provided through the browser, but simply and emphatically because of speed and reliability. They made a better browser. And now they are seeking to streamline it even more. I say go for it.
1_ It's one thing to have information about you (ex: Apple has your credit card) and promoting other products you might like, it's another to SELL (for money) this info. It's Google's only real money maker.
2_ Apple doesn't have callbacks on virtually all websites. It's called Google Analytics.
First, calm down and have a normal conversation without belittling.
Second, no one liners here. Again, as this is their main revenue stream, why wouldn't Google want more information about you and me? As for any business, every year, you need to top yourself and sell a better product. What does it mean for Google to sell a better product? It means providing ever more in-detail info about you and me to their business clients. it means developing more and more ways to reach you and track you. This is pure business logic.
I still haven't seen a source stating google actually sells people's info. They sell ads. One would think they would actually want to protect the data, so they can have an advantage in selling ads more efficiently. At least, that's what I would be doing if I was google
Heck, you don't even need to be a programmer to recognize how utterly moronic most of these anti Google comments are. You would only need a basic knowledge of web standards, architectures and open source projects to see this.
Safari calls back as per another users post on this forum. True or not - I don't know. Do you?
And you're not convincing me of anything. If target tracks all my purchases and then uses that info when, for example, Coke comes to them and says "we'd like to sell more coke at Target. We want to send a coupon to a certain demographic at your store to entice them. Here's 100K to get our coupons in the hands of customers who fit that profile" - That's different, how?