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Discussion in 'Current Events' started by joepunk, May 23, 2007.
Who'd ever thought Google, not Microsoft et al, will become the nightmare mega-corporation of the future?
Google has plans to take over the world.
I could only imagine the majority of jobs it would recommend would be in the porn industry, and it would recommend a list of brothels in the person's area for their days off...
This indeed is scary situation. Its 1984 . I think all of this tracking people stuff by many online companies is kinda creepy, for the most part.
(Edit: Not that I'm suggesting it only happens with online companies )
How can they know for sure who is behind a specific ip address at any given time? I don't buy it.
Dig your username Kamera RAWr. After watching Photoshop CS3 videos for the last two hours, it made me laugh
Other than Google searches which is sort of involuntary information, won't people have to give the info in the first place? You know, on line diaries itinerary reminders etc? If that's the case it will only be the iDopes that get the treatment. It's the catch all aspect to surveillance I hate; CCTV in the streets and buses etc. I think everyone has a right to an unobserved life but at least with this one you have to opt in.
That's true. But with programs like Google Desktop, g-mail, etc., people are identifying themselves more to Google then when it was just the search engine. And a lot of people will download whatever google offers them.
I tried Google Desktop (for my PC) for a while, but started to get really creeped out by how it archived everything on my computer (and looked into it) and then started to subcribe to RSS feeds of sites that I may have just visited once in passing. And don't get me started on how acurate the sponsored links get to the subject of the e-mail in g-mail.
Agreed. Definitely creepy.
Soon they will be the online OS.
Remember EPIC and Google Grid? ... a bit cheesy but some of the (fictional) predictions have come true in various forms.
I gotta go ... Big Brother is watching.
What a bleak outlook on the future. How shallow and empty does one have to be to get to the point where they have ask Google to plan their day for them?
I've been saying this to a bunch of my friends. The beauty of it is, I have no qualms about it.
My cousin works for G**Gle, and i am going to see him in two weeks...
We are gonna have to have a little talk...
A cookie if you can identify this quote:
"Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop."
Dr. Walter Gibbs
Thanks for that. I didn't even know about Google Desktop. That really is quite horrifying. I know all governments throughout the world are becoming more authoritarian and surveillance obsessed (I read that in England people are videod 350 times a day and this week they've started putting CCTV into drone aircraft to watch people even more) but I'm amazed that Google can get away with this. They must be sharing the info gained on specific people for the governments to turn a blind eye to their trespass. Governments can snoop as much as they want but surely a private company has to respect the idea of privacy. I know the laws on this are very weak but come on.... analysing and subscribing without your consent. Outrageous.
You and about 6 billion others
People don't need Google for this, but it isn't going to stop Google from attempting to convince us all we do. Same old marketing crap really.
With seemingly a large proportion of our next generation growing up as morons intent on ruining the lives of others. I actually think this is a good thing.
Do nothing wrong and you have nothing to fear.
Be an anti-social scroat and hopefully you'll be identified, arrested and have your hands, feet and nuts chopped off.
Don't bother. "They" already know what you're going to say.
If I were Google, I'd try and turn this around, and make a game out of it to alleviate people's fears. Such as: start a new URL "they.google.com". When you visit the URL it fetches your doubleclick cookies and the page builds a 'who you are' profile for you, so you can check how accurate it is.
As scary as all this sounds, I reckon that'd be fun!
Do you know where the 'If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" came from? It was the Stasi - the East German Police. They wanted a sort of Neuro Linguistic Programming effect. People think in very particular patterns and with NLP its possible to make people think and therefore, perhaps, do things they dont want to do. Its like a very persuasive salesman. By what he says and how he says it he can get people to buy what they dont want or what they dont need. How? Because our minds work in set and known ways. Its like that question Have you stopped beating your wife yet? That stumps people because we are taught at school, in Comprehension, language, that you say either Yes or No to questions
so Yes I have means that you did used to beat your wife or No means youre still beating her. The Stasi were very intrusive. There were millions of paid informants. Neighbour spying on neighbour and so on. All the permutations imaginable and the way that they sold that idea to the people, that it was acceptable, was to say If youve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear and because of our thought structures it appears ostensibly true because one doesnt want to say I have! Its a statement that needs to be studied. One where you have to break the construct. Its difficult to rally oneself and say Civil liberties took millennia to achieve, blah, blah, blah
the loss of millions of lives and the committing of millions of so called crimes to establish. Benjamin Franklin said "They that give up essential liberties to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Absolutely true.
Also, you can go further. Why not have a remote choke chain on everyone? If you don't murder or rape you'll be fine. But why give over your liberty and moral direction to anyone? You employ the state and not vice a versa. After a while the choke chain will be used against you when you go on strike or get angry - even when you are juste but are acting against an authority, a bailiff or a policeman or your government etc. Your liberty is being removed with your consent. Wake up because while you're dozing you put everyone else in danger because you become part of the herd when you're asleep.
Thanks. Straight from the heart. I am about to copy and save your comment to slap people in the face with. Hope you don't mind.
The remark: 'If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.' that privacy-haters use, make me angry and I generally my reply is "how much do you earn, when was the last time you had sex with your partner ( and your neighbour), who did you vote for? Your comments will perhaps have a better impact on them. Thanks.
Thanks Oblomow. I normally get flamed. Use it. Spread the bad news. I saw that in Holland you have cameras that listen to people too! Not even surveillance state supporters know where it's going to end. First public but privately owned spaces i.e. shops and then simply public spaces. With face/walk recognition, dna & iris/fingerprint scanning, those new "X-ray" machines where you are rendered naked, mobile phone tracing, and the next generation of satellite car tolling, tagging, drone cctv, interception of all media - the only thing left is the brain and the body itself. I've seen research into spotting lies through scans of the brain and subcutaneous implants already exist. So ... dystopia here we come. The worst thing is how people accept it. 25 years ago when I was at school and there was the cold war we were told how terrible the East was because there, they watched you all the time and everything was criminalised. Sounds like the West doesn't it? Prison populations are greater than ever. Thousands of new crimes on the state books each year. Lesser and lesser crimes becoming imprisonable and more surveillance of our lives than EVER before.
Anyway, drifting from the OP. It's nice and sunny. I think I'll go for a walk with my cats.
"Googles ambition to maximise the personal information it holds on users is so great that the search engine envisages a day when it can tell people what jobs to take and how they might spend their days off."
So what is wrong with that? Just do what GOOGLE tells you to do and you won't get hurt.
Nice posts Henri Gaudier
I am for surveillance cameras in helping to catch a kidnapper or a red light runner etc.