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Er... thanks. I think.

You're for surveillance .... how very punk. Where do you live that you need cameras on the street to catch all the kidnappers? They must be easy to spot. They're the ones with sacks on their backs. You know, the sacks that are kicking and crying.

But seriously, if you accept something today, it will move forward a little further tomorrow. Ask someone old if it was ever in their imagination, vocabulary that "If only one day we could all be watched by the state. Then we'd be free .. be safe!" It wasn't. Read Orwell and the reception of 1984. It was universally seen as horrifying. Now we are living those times and if you're against it, there's something wrong with you! I don't know, I was raised by my grand-parents and so I have an old fashioned view of the world. One where the government shouldn't watch what you do, where you go and what you say, think and read all the time

Only the politically apathetic are safe in a surveillance world. Anyone holding opinions or who campaigns is in for a lot of s**t though. I knew some anti vivisectionists in London and when you walked down the street with them, just chatting, buying a sandwich, the CCTV cameras in Camden High Street would follow them/us all the way down the street. One after another. They were friendly types, just petitioners not anything more hardcore. I could go on but so much to do ... think about it Joe.
 
Nice posts Henri Gaudier

I am for surveillance cameras in helping to catch a kidnapper or a red light runner etc.

[sarcasm] I'm for tagging everyone and monitoring their location and record what they say. So everyone can prove their innocence when something bad happens. [/sarcasm]
 
But seriously, if you accept something today, it will move forward a little further tomorrow. Ask someone old if it was ever in their imagination, vocabulary that "If only one day we could all be watched by the state. Then we'd be free .. be safe!" It wasn't. Read Orwell and the reception of 1984. It was universally seen as horrifying. Now we are living those times and if you're against it, there's something wrong with you! I don't know, I was raised by my grand-parents and so I have an old fashioned view of the world. One where the government shouldn't watch what you do, where you go and what you say, think and read all the time.
I definitely agree with this. It's frustrating how the gov slowly encroaches on our civil rights.

Nuc
 
Hey Henri Gaudier, I am not advocating any sort of totalitarian state.

Where did I say anything about "all the kidnappers" ? :confused:

I am just commenting on the occasional child kidnapping in a shopping mall/major public place. And I am also commenting on having to wait for the two or three cars that run red lights before moving safely. I have many times been pretty close to getting killed by red light runners.

Maybe I should have said I'm for some surveillance.

I don't think that George Orwell could have forseen what is now going on with regards to our private information being stored digitally. For example those many government/private corporation hard drives w/SS numbers getting lost/stolen.
 
Do nothing wrong and you have nothing to fear. ;)


Well...if I've done nothing wrong, I shouldn't be treated as if I have.

I fear 1984-esque authoritarian fearmongering (and the public's willingness to accept it) more than terrorism or whatever the latest fear du jour is.
 
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