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For as much as I admire the feat of engineering that is Android (well, sometimes), the unavoidable elephant in the room since Android's conception is the sheer IDIOCY that would allow the handset vendors to take control of the updates and the UI button hierarchy/order. Just shows me Google REALLY do not care about some things, as the evidence of that is EVERYWHERE, no matter what bollocks they spout to the contrary.


One point to remember about Google is the fact that they give up on their products without hesitation. The new apps today just killed Hangouts, which was trying to kill Google Voice. This is just a small example.

You are left holding the bag.
 
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What utterly pathetic comments! I do apologise if you two aren't capable of appreciating a simple observation, you obviously must have something against women in the workplace to? That's the only conclusion that can be made by your ridiculous remarks.
I guess living in enclosed backwards thinking worlds is your thing? You do realise SHNXX you are claiming that their are no women that are talented enough or have enough merit to work for Apple in high class positions right? You should read the previous comments.
Well then go back to tumblr then since this form is not for White Knights . This is a Google event showing off hardware and software not about showing off how diverse the company is because the number of x. It does't matter what their sex is and you are the real sexist for thinking that hiring them for the sake of their gender is instead of their skills. Is it Apple's fault that they hire people based on their skills not their gender just like most companies these days?
 
I'm genuinely beginning to believe that both Apple and Google are out of good ideas. They copy each other while maintaining just a slight edge on the other by introducing incremental features that end up being copied by the other. Messaging, video calling, voice assistants, etc. It's all tit for tat. Google may have more on Apple in the world of raw computing, data and AI but Apple owns the world of hardware and software. It's literally yin and yang.

As far as I'm concerned, Google released updates today that no one asked for and neglected the ones they did. No word on Chrome, Chrome OS, real multitasking, etc. Don't tell me this can't be done; Jide in China is doing it as we speak in Remix OS. Fragmentation on the Android platform is still an absolute nightmare.

This isn't a Google hate fast either. Apple's updates lately have been marginal at best as well. I really don't know how either can continue to 'innovate' as they once did. The next area for innovation I believe is VR and that whole idea is simply not ready for mainstream use. I also laughed at the idea of Google Home because true voice recognition isn't either. Either it doesn't hear you correctly or doesn't work at all. It'll tell me it can't connect to the server before it gives me a proper response or directions. I've heard Amazon's Alexa is good but I wouldn't touch an Amazon hardware product with a 20 ft. pole if you paid me.

Devices can only get so thin, so fast and look so good before innovation runs out. Tablets were thought to be 'it' but that's obviously not true. 2-in-1's aren't devices that anyone really wants either. Honestly, one of these companies really needs to break the mold to get ahead. If not, they're either A) doing minimal updates or B) doing the updates everyone already expected.

Microsoft somehow looks like the only one pushing the envelope out there and I can't tell whether that's them being genuinely innovative or just playing catch up. Good for them for getting it together and rejoining the pack. Out of all of the VR concepts, the Hololens is my favorite. Windows 10 is also becoming a very good OS and their Surface devices are very VERY nice. Satya and Panos were an adrenaline shot to that company and it's good to see them so active again.
 
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Lol. God forbid advertisers show me products I might be interested in.
Sometimes I marvel at the world we now live in.

Google is not selling our data (Bob Jones, 123 Main Street, Birthday 2/27/92). They are selling access to our eyeballs (here's an ad from Target on an item that our algorithms say you might be interested in). In exchange, you get free storage to backup your photos and music, a pretty good translation service, a decent productivity suite, free online storage for general stuff, a great maps app and great commuter apps, a video service that can practically replace your TV for entertainment and news, etc. My son needed to answer some questions for homework and we didn't have the book available. I found a YouTube video with someone reading the book. When I was growing up, we called my grandmother on special occasions, because of long distance costs. Now, I have several different apps I can use to make video calls and there are no additional costs.
 
I think this is more useful. How many times have you been sitting on the sofa and remember to do something or add something to your shopping list.

Being able to say 'OK Google, add baked beans to my shopping list'

If Apple did do such a device I'd get that in a heartbeat but I'd love an Echo but it's not available in the UK. If Home comes here I'm all over that like a tramp on chips!

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Ummm, all you have to do is say - to either your iPhone or Apple Watch - "Hey, Siri - add baked beans to my shopping list." or "Hey, Siri, when I go to the grocery store remind me to buy baked beans."

It's amazing how many people don't know what Siri can do. Today I was talking with a woman who bought an Apple Watch. I casually set an alarm on my watch in front of her and she was amazed that she could do that. She said she really needed to learn about all the things she could do with her new watch.
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Yes, when I wake at night fumbling in the dark to find the Home button is so much easier than just seeing an always on clock face. You know, like we've had for decades.

If you had an Apple Watch you'd know you can use that as your alarm clock. Just set it on its side while plugged in and it automatically goes into clock mode.
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A phone tool is completely hands-free. Better than a phone or a smart watch. The benefits are obvious with the right vocal recognition. The problem is, Siri doesn't work.
I just don't get all this Siri-hating. I use Siri every day on my watch and iPhone and it works really well.
 
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I'm genuinely beginning to believe that both Apple and Google are out of good ideas. They copy each other while maintaining just a slight edge on the other by introducing incremental features that end up being copied by the other. Messaging, video calling, voice assistants, etc. It's all tit for tat. Google may have more on Apple in the world of raw computing, data and AI but Apple owns the world of hardware and software. It's literally yin and yang.

As far as I'm concerned, Google released updates today that no one asked for and neglected the ones they did. No word on Chrome, Chrome OS, real multitasking, etc. Don't tell me this can't be done; Jide in China is doing it as we speak in Remix OS. Fragmentation on the Android platform is still an absolute nightmare.

This isn't a Google hate fast either. Apple's updates lately have been marginal at best as well. I really don't know how either can continue to 'innovate' as they once did. The next area for innovation I believe is VR and that whole idea is simply not ready for mainstream use. I also laughed at the idea of Google Home because true voice recognition isn't either. Either it doesn't hear you correctly or doesn't work at all. It'll tell me it can't connect to the server before it gives me a proper response or directions. I've heard Amazon's Alexa is good but I wouldn't touch an Amazon hardware product with a 20 ft. pole if you paid me.

Devices can only get so thin, so fast and look so good before innovation runs out. Tablets were thought to be 'it' but that's obviously not true. 2-in-1's aren't devices that anyone really wants either. Honestly, one of these companies really needs to break the mold to get ahead. If not, they're either A) doing minimal updates or B) doing the updates everyone already expected.

Microsoft somehow looks like the only one pushing the envelope out there and I can't tell whether that's them being genuinely innovative or just playing catch up. Good for them for getting it together and rejoining the pack. Out of all of the VR concepts, the Hololens is my favorite. Windows 10 is also becoming a very good OS and their Surface devices are very VERY nice. Satya and Panos were an adrenaline shot to that company and it's good to see them so active again.


Wow, I am surprised you stated Microsoft is pushing the envelope when in reality they are the worse. They led in most of the stuff like desktop OS, gaming/X-Box, mobile, and had tablets first. Microsoft then gets lazy and/or has no-one to copy in that space so they lose the lead. They then scramble to get back to relevancy. Rinse and repeat. Microsoft now is a cloud company trying to copy Apple. Yes, I said it. Surface book, Windows Stores, Cortana, and it goes on. Microsoft best years are behind it.
 
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Ummm, all you have to do is say - to either your iPhone or Apple Watch - "Hey, Siri - add baked beans to my shopping list." or "Hey, Siri, when I go to the grocery store remind me to buy baked beans."

It's amazing how many people don't know what Siri can do. Today I was talking with a woman who bought an Apple Watch. I casually set an alarm on my watch in front of her and she was amazed that she could do that. She said she really needed to learn about all the things she could do with her new watch.
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If you had an Apple Watch you'd know you can use that as your alarm clock. Just set it on its side while plugged in and it automatically goes into clock mode.
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I just don't get all this Siri-hating. I use Siri every day on my watch and iPhone and it works really well.


I agree. Siri has been wonderful for me and my loved ones.
 
"Google's algorithms for finding answers are simply superior, there's just no way around it."

Insane people actually argue againt this. Apple "search" is crap. Absolute crap.

Just the other day I was searching for "Monrovia" which is about 20 miles away from me in Southern California. Take a guess where Maps directed me. I had to file yet another damn bug and I'm tired of filing Map bugs.

Do you have location services turned on? Or, perhaps, you could have typed Monrovia, CA ?? What if you wanted to actually look at Monrovia, not your local - and perhaps meaningless - locality??
 
Wow, I am surprised you stated Microsoft is pushing the envelope when in reality they are the worse. They led in most of the stuff like desktop OS, gaming/X-Box, mobile, and had tablets first. Microsoft then gets lazy and/or has no-one to copy in that space so they lose the lead. They then scramble to get back to relevancy. Rinse and repeat. Microsoft now is a cloud company trying to copy Apple. Yes, I said it. Surface book, Windows Stores, Cortana, and it goes on. Microsoft best years are behind it.

The Surface line is on par with any of Apple's devices. Cortana is just as good as Siri as well. OneDrive runs circles around iCloud Drive as well. And Microsoft has a firm grip on enterprise with Office and Exchange.

Yes, Windows Store is a joke and their mobile offering is like 5 years behind. But where's Apple's VR option? Where is Apple's Skylake? Where is Apple's transparency when it comes to issues and fixes? My Surface Book is rock solid and runs amazingly. I have my 15" rMBP as well but if you think Microsoft is that far behind, you're fooling yourself.

Yes, they are still the most 'lagging' out of the 3 (Apple, Google and Microsoft) but they're bridging the gap.
 
I don't see Google "setting the bar high" . We've had Face time for years, we've had Message for years, Amazon did echo last year. I see this as more of a catch up year for Google than huge innovation.

As far as Apples services complaints. I've been using apple icloud pictures for several months now and love it. Every single picture i have is in the cloud and shows up on all of my devices. I take a picture on my phone and its automatically downloaded to everything else. I make an edit to a picture on my computer and can undo the edit using my phone. Works every time. I find apple mail as reliable as google mail.

THIS^^^ I couldn't be happier with my Apple ecosystem. Stuff just works. And my 5-year old Mac gets faster with every OS update. My watch keeps me in touch with everything - I can place phone calls through it, send tactile messages, swim with it. My phone answers my questions on voice command and sets appointments and reminders.

What others promise Apple delivers.
 
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If you had an Apple Watch you'd know you can use that as your alarm clock. Just set it on its side while plugged in and it automatically goes into clock mode.

Outstanding. So I need a $300 watch and a charging stand that will keep the watch on it's side to give me basic alarm clock functionality. BTW, I do have an Apple Watch. I find it too small. My eyesight is not what it used to be. I need glasses.

I don't think it's too much to ask that a phone that has a built in alarm functionality be able to be used as an alarm clock.
 
Isn't that what Siri was supposed to be, and sort of was when it first launched? Its become less conversational over the years.
Siri rarely understands me when I ask her simple things like what's the weather like.

I/O just nudged me a bit closer to switching to android.
 
Oh man.. The paper-launches by google every year get more and more impressive.

Google: "Look at this amazing array of prototypes we've created. We're really good idea guys. It won't really improve your life when we release it. It'll improve your life once all the developers magically create software that we hope they'll make that we're depicting in our pretty colorful slides! They'll also shine once you guys finish these and beta test these for us. P.S. Don't our paper-launches demo really well?!! We always love daydreaming here at Google, so long as it's other people who actually release a finished, polished product."


This perfectly describes google in a nut shell. Eyeball injected computer patent...whatever.
 
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Siri rarely understands me when I ask her simple things like what's the weather like.

I/O just nudged me a bit closer to switching to android.
About a month or so ago, I was having issues with Siri recognizing me, so I went through the voice recognition training again. Maybe an update created some issues, but it cleared up the problem so far.
 
Really liked the Keynote compared to previous years. Allo is promising and the Assistant blows away Siri.

For developers, the Firebase update is YUGGEEE. It's like Parse + Fabric now.
I looked over the new Firebase SDK after working now with the new open source Parse update. Firebase seems pretty clunky in comparison to Parse which seems to me to be much more elegant in the way you interface with it. That's my opinion from first blush.
 
I would be totally excited about this if I didn't invest in other similar Google products such as Hangouts, Google Plus, etc. Google seems to have teams working on the same products and releasing them independently. Versus the more consumer friendly scenario of making current products better. I guarantee you these "efforts" will be done within three years. However, this year, I will be withdrawing my support for many of Google's products/services/apps.
 
Yes, and Apple's Keynotes are better how?
Because they end each portion with "available today" or "taking preorders on this date". Google rarely has a deliverable date on these wonderful ideas and the end product usually under delivers. In comparison, Apple Keynotes sometimes seem to be understated and the end result is exceptional.

Vaporware: it's easy.
 
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And here are the folks who believe that if you have a negative thing to say about Apple you are a troll. All hail mighty Apple, thou can do no harm.
And here we have the guy who believes if you disagree with something negative that was said about Apple, you are a troll.
 
Another messaging service? No thanks. Google Home is the most interesting thing. I would never allow a Google microphone in my home in a million years, but it sounds like a neat product for those who are interested.
 
For those who think Google is so great... you have noticed that these are things that Google "aspires" to do and that they will release "later this year". These may be things that they do. In fact, the word "maybe" and "aspire" was thrown around A LOT.

While it appears that Google "intends" to have Google Assistant do some great things, I really don't see how it is much better than Siri initially, and I imagine that Apple will be upgrading Siri significantly in a few weeks. The only difference is that the update will be available with a firm timeframe and firm feature set.

Does Google not realize that things like Siri and AirPlay have already existed for years now and works great? How about HomeKit? While Apple has had some trouble getting that up and running from a hardware aspect... it is working and already integrated.

It seems to me that Google is pre-announcing what they are working on so when Apple announces finished products in a month, Google will look like it's still on top of things. Personally, I think it's a bunch a vaporware. I have no doubt they can deliver it... but I am willing to bet that it won't work great on launch and will take another two years to work... if Google doesn't shutter it yet.
 
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This is real innovation!
Google leaving Apple in the dust!
Tim Cook is too busy pandering to communist China to actually innovate!
Cook is is busy in India trying to save the company instead of innovating like Google!
Apple spent too much time on watch bands to innovate!
Cook is going to be fired!
Steve Jobs would have never let this happen!
Apple still offers 16GB!
Switching to Android and Google services!
Apple is falling behind!
Apple is doomed!
Apple is too busy wasting time on an electric car to innovate!

It's poetry, man. Pure @#$% poetry. :D
 
"We put together a video, the *could* show you what it *might* be like in the *future* as Google *gets better* and our products get better *over time*..."

How noncommittal can you be?

Also, the Google Home movie is EXACTLY what Siri already does (maybe it can be improved)... except in the shape of a Glade air freshener.

This company is simply announcing how they plan to ripoff Amazon and Apple... in the future.... maybe.
 
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