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Google Launches New Flagship Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro Smartphones Priced at $599 and $899
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So you, an anonymous internet person is telling me what "Google does about their products and the requirements thereof"?
You were so hung up about the 12GB on the 6 Pro that you most likely forgot that the 6 has 8GB and it has exactly the same software features as the Pro.
Exactly, companies constantly add more RAM than it's actually necessary while with the CPU cores they go with the expected amount. Android has been optimized in the last +5 years to work well with 8 cores while the amount of RAM has constantly evolved.
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More RAM does not guarantee better performance, so your point isn't really that strong.
Yes it, pretty great.
I misspoke, I meant system updates as in the OS. Google only gives 3 years of OS updates. Apple on the other hand, gives at least 5 years of OS updates and security updates beyond that for several years.
Google put 12 GB RAM in the Pixel 6 Pro for Android 12.
Google Users - You're The Product, Not The Customer.
I’m not a “Fandroid” I’ve always had iPhones. And by specs I don’t necessarily mean RAM or CPU speed. I mean, we all know iphone chips are the fastest. But for these prices you get good features and great displays. Competition is always good and at good prices even better.
It absolutely does in any RAM sensitive or dependent situation. Double the RAM is double the RAM.
Like I've said Pixel 6 will continue to get new features and security updates past the 3 and 5 year marks.
For example: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-android-runtime-art-mainline-module-android-12/
Also system apps and functions(like Android System WebView, CarrierServices etc) are independently updated through Play Store.
Project Mainline will also continue to evolve with future Android versions, Google will continue to add more modules.
I don't understand what you are trying to claim but Android 12 is more optimized than the previous Android versions and it doesn't require more RAM. Also Pixel 6 has 8GB or RAM for example and it runs the same Android 12.
Aren't we taking about Pixel users here? which are actual their costumers and not an attempt to get more "products". Google already has enough "products" including most Safari users and in general most internet users.
Wow, such a revelation that "Double the RAM is double the RAM". Maybe you should read up more on unified RAM. More RAM does not guarantee better performance. I am still waiting for evidence for your statement "Better in comparison to what's possible with 6GB on iOS, my comment made it clear.".
I made myself very clear, several times now, Google put the extra RAM in the Pixel 6 Pro because it needed it. Lest they would have put the same amount of RAM in the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro.
And those foolish to purchase the Pixel 6/Pro will become more product for Google. Priceless.
How on earth are people who buy the new pixels foolish exactly? It will have the best in class cameras, likely good video, stock android which will be as smooth as can be. Android 12 has some great improvements and I could say has more to offer than iOS 15 did.
it has the same 120hz LTPO display as other flagships. The new pixel could argue is the best phone out if it lives up to the hype. Time will tell
Haha I know. I’m not helping the internet with my commentary either!“People” are never happy. There’s not a single thing anyone can say about anything that won’t have someone unhappy about it.
Including this post.
What's with the insistence with the unified RAM? It's not like the RAM architecture on Android SOCs is different that on iphones.
Yes it does in any situation that is dependent on RAM. Or you want to deny simple logic? Would you say that 2GB allows the iphone 7 to perform just as well as a 6GB iphone 13 Pro in RAM dependent situations?
The proof is right in how I wrote it: "what's possible with 6GB on iOS". Or you want to say you can load and keep active more apps and system services in 6GB of RAM on an iOS device than the 12GB in the Pixel 6 Pro?
I already made it clear that it's just a baseless assumption. But maybe you can prove that the 6 Pro actually needs 12GB of RAM? I doubt you can.
No, the plain Pixel 6 has 8GB of RAM and it offers the same software features and has the same software capabilities.
The 6 Pro got more RAM simply cause it's following "the best you can get" smartphone philosophy implemented by other Android manufactures and not because it's a necessity. I mean why exactly would it be a necessity?
? Again I don't understand your logic.
Anyway the new Pixel 6s look like really great phones all around.
The difference, you see, is THIS anonymous internet person is literally describing what Google has actually released. NOT speculating that Google could have released something that they, in reality, didn’t release.
I’ll just agree with you that Google put 12GB in the Pro based on…. mysterious unknown reasons. Definitely not from any sort of requirements document.
If one must have A-steriods phone - I would rather a Nokia XR20 as better priced, better build quality and excellent value considering all the hardware incorporated.
Just came upon this comment and had to respond.Google already does CSAM and for a while now. I guess you feel safer with Google. And Googles track record with privacy is suspect at best. I much prefer to purchase products not be the product.
Google’s Efforts to Combat Online Child Sexual Abuse Material FAQs - Transparency Report Help Center
What is CSAM? CSAM stands for child sexual abuse material. It consists of any visual depiction, including but not limited to photos, videos, and computer-generated imagery, involving the use of a minsupport.google.com
Wait there's more. Microsoft created a specialized tool to help detect CSAM.
This part is very interesting:
PhotoDNA | Microsoft
PhotoDNA is used by organizations around the world and has assisted in the detection, disruption, and reporting of millions of child exploitation images.www.microsoft.com
Where is the outrage from these same people to Google and Microsoft using advanced photo scanning techniques for CSAM. And they have been doing that for years.
In case you didn't know already, all tech companies are required to fulfill Chapter 110 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code (18 U.S.C. §§ 2251-2260A).
What's really bad was Apple's proposed implementation of doing this on their customer's personal property without paying rent, rather than using their own resources on servers that they own. Why doesn't Apple just follow the industry standard and scan their own servers? It seems that a very few hasty people at Apple thought they came upon a new and ingenious way to fulfill the US Code, using customer's personal property, without thinking all the way through.
And no, the excuse that this is more "personal and private" doesn't really work unless..maybe.. you are okay with housing TSA agents and their equipment at home for free without rent? This should be much more "personal and private" than being done at the airport! Another benefit is they will only check your bags if you choose to fly! Just like how Apple proposed to only scan on-device if you use iCloud!
Why should there be outrage from these same people to Google and Microsoft when they are following the industry standard and using their own property to scan? Shouldn't there have been more outrage at Apple for even considering on-device surveillance scanning? This would have set a very dangerous precedent and have huge ramifications to the meaning of ownership.
There's no difference. You did claim that the 6 Pro has 12GB of RAM because it "needs" them. That's just speculation, while what I wrote is based on the simple fact that Android doesn't need so much RAM to run as it should and the plain Pixel 6 does only have 8GB and it still offers the same software features and has the same software capabilities as the Pro.
The 6 Pro has 12GB simply because it "the best you can get" tier from Google this year.
I never said anything about any mysterious unknown reasons.
For those who care about privacy, those combine with GrapheneOS to make the most private smartphone combination. https://grapheneos.org
Describing what exists and speculating why, as opposed to describing what does NOT exist and speculating why not. One starts grounded in reality, where certain facts about the Java garbage collection methods are well known, and builds from that.
I’m actually looking forward to the first die shots of the processor, should be interesting!
Well, Apple incorrectly thought that people would rather Apple NOT go through ALL of their photos and I think it’s an easy mistake to make.
Apple: Hey, we need to do this thing and we can either
Pore over every single photo you’ve ever taken which means we have to store your photos in a way that we can decrypt them… of COURSE meaning that if the government ever asked us to decrypt them, we can’t say we don’t have they key, so that’s a thing.
OR
We can have your device flag any potential CP (like if you have a good number of matches) ON YOUR DEVICE. That way, if you’re using iCloud, we don’t look at ANYTHING of yours unless you have CP AND we can tell anyone asking us to provide access to your photos that they’ll have to ask for your password because we don’t have any way of accessing any non-flagged images.
Which would you prefer?
Public: ENSURE THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TO THE GOVERNMENT ANY IMAGES THAT THE GOVERNMENT REQUESTS OF YOU.
Apple: Huh… wouldn’t have figured that but… well, back to the drawing board.
They are, and, as a result, Apple can’t possibly perform CSAM on them. Apple was hoping they could devise a way to keep Photos encrypted as they currently are while still adhering to government requirements regarding CSAM.
Doing it “like everyone else” means, “like everyone else” if the government has a case against you (again, assuming you’re actually doing something nefarious which most people aren’t) and need access to your pictures to prove a case against you (something in no way related to CP), Apple would have the ability to decrypt the images and provide them to the government. They’d HAVE to have the ability to decrypt the images if they’re doing the scanning in the cloud.
I would hope that they could at least come up with a way to make it an option.
1. Either you want Apple to be able to scan your images in the cloud, or
2. You have CSAM running on your device that flags CP.
I’d personally choose the latter.
Actually I'm the one doing the least speculation I'm using facts like Android doesn't need 12gb or RAM to work well, the plain Pixel 6 has 8GB and provides the same software features, the 6Pro is Google's the best you can get tier phone to disapprove your actual speculations. But you will come back without saying anything of substance like in your last few responses.
And please, you obviously don't know anything about Garbage colection. You are just mentioning it because you most likely read some negative stuff from somewhere about it.
Garbage colection is inefficient with 2-3-4GB of RAM but once you go past thta it's inefficiency become irrelevant.
The die of the Tensor chip should be quite small, smaller than the SD 888 built on the same node.
as the Pixel 6 Pro? Google disagrees with you as they’re saying that there are feature differences between the 6 and 6 Pro. But, ok!
The idea was that the hash matching is done on your phone instead of communicating with the server until some threshold of certainty was crossed. It’s a similar logic behind so much of Apple’s AI approach (do it on the native device to the amount possible instead of remote servers, in part for privacy reasons*, in part to exploit Apple’s expertise in silicon vs their relative weakness in cloud hardware).
* An example of privacy implications of cloud based CSAM scanning vs on-device: image isn’t CSAM but may be sensitive, gets uploaded to the cloud, where who knows what happens to it in addition to being hashed and compared to the CSAM database. In the Apple approach, the image doesn’t get tested by server side CSAM detection until it crosses a certain threshold of matching the hash, so the non-CSAM but sensitive information doesn’t get uploaded to the cloud unless it matches the hash to a certain threshold. There are some other theoretical aspects of on-device vs cloud based analysis. Theoretically, on device analysis is more transparent than cloud based analysis, since researchers can analyze the device doing the analysis far easier than a cloud based server. Also theoretically, it could be harder to change the hash code to match non-CSAM sensitive content unnoticed. Not CSAM matching is of course more protective of privacy than CSAM matching, but theoretically on-device CSAM matching could be more protective of privacy than cloud based CSAM matching.