Google Launches New Flagship Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro Smartphones Priced at $599 and $899

[LFC2020]

🤦‍♂️

Google’s Pixel 6 doesn’t come with five years of Android updates — only three

One place Apple definitely leads

www.theverge.com

 

[macintoshmac]

You really think so ? Did it look like a Samsung chip to you ? Go compare and let us know. Just because the outsource to Samsung to get their chips made doesn't mean they are rebranded chips from Samsung.

I’m merely responding in the context of “if that were the case”. I do not know, I was informed of something by another member and reacting to that, if that were the case.

 

[macintoshmac]

Don’t listen to him. It’s way more than that.

Doesn’t need to be. Even Apple’s software is way too limited to utilize the power anyway. Google, on the other hand, will leverage every bit of power that chip (and Tensor) has to offer and there will be no difference in day to day usage. Unless, of course, you actually want a smart assistant.

Yeah, as another member told. Thanks. I didn’t read about it, so didn’t know. 😩

 

[MJaP]

Y'all complaining about Apple's camera bumps, but imagine being an Fandroid and having to deal with that!

Well at least if the "Fandroids" don't like it they have hundreds of other phones with a mariad of designs to choose from, if you go Apple it's their way or the highway.

 

[BMox81]

🤦‍♂️

Google’s Pixel 6 doesn’t come with five years of Android updates — only three

One place Apple definitely leads

www.theverge.com

Wow you’re awful aren’t you?

 

[LFC2020]

Wow you’re awful aren’t you?

Google is the awful one, charging $1599 for 3 years software updates. 🤦‍♂️

 

[jonnysods]

So if Apple put a big strip on the back of the MacBook Pro instead of a notch would people be happy?

 

[duck apple]

Highly doubt it, the 12Gb on the Pixel will surely perform better. Hardware is hardware, there's no magic to overcome such a huge difference of available RAM.

How absurd!

More RAM consumes more battery. In what scenario are you going to utilize all that much memory? Load of open apps in the background? Its A12 equivalent performance won't be able to time sharing more than a few apps, yet all the memory banks need energy to refresh all the time. You must consider the balance for a device running off battery.

Apple has its 'Unified Memory' design; CPU and GPU share the same memory pool and thus no memory copy/moving between them and that's the magic you don't believe exists. Note this is Unified Memory, not Shared memory everybody uses for integrated GPU which needs to preallocate memory for GPU operation, decreasing real memory useful for CPU and needing memory copy to and fro.

I saw the magic myself when open and process the same 50MB of a raw file from mirrorless camera on iPad Pro (2nd generation) vs from SSD on my 2017 iMac (48GB of RAM); the speed difference in loading the image is more than astonishing .
Looking it in other way. With my iPad Pro, I can swipe through JPEG image embedded in raw files for preview almost as fast as swiping through normal JPEG image; on the iMac, the image needs time to gradually fade in to its full glory.

The magic has been again proved by the M1 powered Mac lines. In most scenarios, such as opening app, opening more tabs in browser, opening large office data file, 8GB on base model M1 outperforms 16GB or more on Intel based MacBook Pro.

Except superior core design, it has super super fast storage for backing store for app/data swapping. It's almost like you got hundreds of GB of 2nd tier of RAM.

You can't benchmark smarts with traditional benchmarks. Look at how dumb Siri still is on latest silicon.

Silly as it is we don't argue; the same that you can't argue it's purposely dumbed down for privacy and it relies on on-device AI instead of server cluster.

How about Cinematic video (portrait mode in 1080p 30fps), ProRaw (stack of raw pixel data of a photo with computational add-on) and ProRes (for movie industry) ? No other smartphone can do any of these.

 

[Varda]

Google is not exactly known as a company that fights for the privacy of its customers. So if you think Google is great, I'm surprised if you suddenly become very reserved about your private life.

Unlike Apple, I don't recall Google ever advertising themselves as a "Privacy" company. Recently, we've learned that Apple plans on implementing iSpyWare. If Apple keeps going like this, they could possibly end up with as bad a reputation for privacy as Google.

 

[aknabi]

Those are good prices, especially for the specs.

That's always been my issue with Fandroids... their metrics being driven by specs/numbers...

I've said by their number metrics a hog makes a more desirable partner than say a noble peace prize winning, PhD supermodel as it has "bigger specs"

 

[svish]

Seems like a good phone for those who wish to use Android.

 

[icolove]

The Pixel line just feels like it lacks purpose. It had a splashy entrance years ago with computational photography, but now it doesn’t seem to serve a purpose at all

You just described the last two iPhone releases.

 

[Taz Mangus]

I mean what's the enigma? Better in comparison to what's possible with 6GB on iOS, my comment made it clear.

“Surely perform better”. No facts support your claim. Better is subjective, not fact.

It's irrelevant that you don't have problems as I didn't claim there are any problems with the Pro Max.

6GB RAM is more than sufficient for the iPhone 13 Pro/Pro Max. At least my claim is backed up by my real world usage, my usage.

The 5A was launched in August and it's a min-range phone(replacing the 4A) and by the way 6GB is more than plenty for it.
My guess is you are talking about Pixel 5 which has 8GB not 6GB or RAM. And yes 8GB on a Pixel phone is also future proof.

Google feature software updates for 3 years. Google does not even think their hardware will support their software beyond 3 years. No evidence to support your claim of being future proof.

Also 5 years of security updates is plenty and the phone will continue to get security updates even past the 5 year mark through Project Mainline.

Again, Google feature software updates for only 3 years. Apple gives at least 5 years of software updates and security updates beyond 5 years. Again, no evidence supports your claim of Google phones being future proof.

Their costumers get a really good hardware experience combined with an excellent software experience at a great price point.

And Google gets the best product, free of charge, the customer. Priceless.

 

[M3gatron]

How absurd!

I guess the truth is absurd now.

More RAM consumes more battery. In what scenario are you going to utilize all that much memory? Load of open apps in the background? Its A12 equivalent performance won't be able to time sharing more than a few apps, yet all the memory banks need energy to refresh all the time. You must consider the balance for a device running off battery.

RAM is one of the most efficient components found in a smartphone. There have been for years Android phones available with different RAM configuration and without any perceivable difference in battery based on how much RAM they had. Google itself clinged to this theory until they obviously abandoned it as the amount of power they were saving with less RAM was irrelevant.

Its A12 equivalent performance won't be able to time sharing more than a few apps

- This makes no sense.

Apple has its 'Unified Memory' design; CPU and GPU share the same memory pool and thus no memory copy/moving between them and that's the magic you don't believe exists. Note this is Unified Memory, not Shared memory everybody uses for integrated GPU which needs to preallocate memory for GPU operation, decreasing real memory useful for CPU and needing memory copy to and fro.

I mean the discussion is about Pixel 6, all smartphones use similar RAM architecture so what you are presenting is a moot point.

and that's the magic you don't believe exists

You made me smile, thanks.

I saw the magic myself when open and process the same 50MB of a raw file from mirrorless camera on iPad Pro (2nd generation) vs from SSD on my 2017 iMac (48GB of RAM); the speed difference in loading the image is more than astonishing .
Looking it in other way. With my iPad Pro, I can swipe through JPEG image embedded in raw files for preview almost as fast as swiping through normal JPEG image; on the iMac, the image needs time to gradually fade in to its full glory.

Good for you.

The magic has been again proved by the M1 powered Mac lines. In most scenarios, such as opening app, opening more tabs in browser, opening large office data file, 8GB on base model M1 outperforms 16GB or more on Intel based MacBook Pro.

Except superior core design, it has super super fast storage for backing store for app/data swapping. It's almost like you got hundreds of GB of 2nd tier of RAM.

At this point it's safe to say you forgot the discussion is about phones.

Silly as it is we don't argue; the same that you can't argue it's purposely dumbed down for privacy and it relies on on-device AI instead of server cluster.

Realistically you haven't presented any argument to contradict what I wrote.

 

[the 12th Doctor]

But they checked all the diversity boxes in the learn more page for the pro model. It's not just a phone for Timmy. Drag queens and cross dressers can use it too

 

[M3gatron]

“Surely perform better”. No facts support your claim. Better is subjective, not fact.

I mean it's effectively double the RAM so it's immediately quite a strong point.

6GB RAM is more than sufficient for the iPhone 13 Pro/Pro Max. At least my claim is backed up by my real world usage, my usage.

Great, it's not like I've said it not enough.

Google feature software updates for 3 years. Google does even think their hardware will support their software beyond 3 years.

So you have the impression you know what Google thinks?
Also the Pixel 6 will continue to get new features even past the 3 years/ 5 years mark as most system apps are decoupled from OS updates. Android phones with Android 8 for example got the new Material You redesigned for Google Apps but also features like Nearby Share, Covid Notifications, Play Protect, Instant Apps etc.

No evidence to support your claim of being future proof.

Future proof in terms of hardware resources as Android phones don't really need so much RAM to "work like they are supposed to".

Again, Google feature software updates for only 3 years. Apple gives at least 5 years of software updates and security updates beyond 5 years. Again, no evidence supports your claim of Google phones being future proof.

? You should read a few more times what I wrote then.
Also you obviously don't really understand how updates work on Android phones.

And Google gets the best product, free of charge, the customer. Priceless.

What are you talking about? You don't make any sense.

 

[pilotpat]

ARM does not design or make CPUs, so your analogy does not make any sense.

I agree that they don't make CPUS's but gonna have to hard disagree that they don't design them.

 

[pilotpat]

“Surely perform better” as compared to what?

The Pixel 6 Pro has a 5004 mAh battery vs 4352 mAh in the iPhone 13 Pro Max. I sure hope the Pixel 6 Pro has long battery life considering the size of the battery it is using.

I have not seen any issues with my iPhone 13 Pro Max in terms of having 6 GB RAM. iOS is very efficient with its resources. The previous Google 5A only had 6GB RAM. So where was this careful future proofing, that you mention, for the previous Google phones. I highly doubt Google is thinking about future proofing. It is more likely that Google determined that it needed the extra RAM for its phone to function the way they wanted it to. From what I can tell also, Google is still only giving 5 years of security updates for their phones.

Google raised the prices on their new phones by $150. I guess Goggle isn't giving anymore free lunches except at their cafeterias. So now the customer is both required to pay for the product and at the same time also becomes the product. Imagine that.

The $150 price increase is only for the Pro. The regular 6 is the same price as the Pixel 5. Also, the A series is the budget line thus the 6 gigs of ram. The 5 had 8. So they were future proofing. While you are most likely correct about why google puts so much ram in the phone, I hardly see a problem with them making sure the phone performs the way they want it to.

 

[pilotpat]

Google already does CSAM and for a while now. I guess you feel safer with Google. And Googles track record with privacy is suspect at best. I much prefer to purchase products not be the product.

Google’s Efforts to Combat Online Child Sexual Abuse Material FAQs - Transparency Report Help Center

What is CSAM? CSAM stands for child sexual abuse material. It consists of any visual depiction, including but not limited to photos, videos, and computer-generated imagery, involving the use of a min

support.google.com

Wait there's more. Microsoft created a specialized tool to help detect CSAM.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-csam-scanning-tool/

This part is very interesting:

PhotoDNA | Microsoft

PhotoDNA is used by organizations around the world and has assisted in the detection, disruption, and reporting of millions of child exploitation images.

www.microsoft.com

Where is the outrage from these same people to Google and Microsoft using advanced photo scanning techniques for CSAM. And they have been doing that for years.

The thing people had issues with wasn't that they were scanning for csam. Microsoft and google have been doing it for years, ON THEIR SERVERS. Apple is proposing to do it on device, that's a big difference to a lot of people.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

All nice and dandy but the theory that Android needs 12GBb of RAM as compared to 6 for the iphone is complete nonsense. Even if garbage collection is less efficient, once we talk about big amounts of RAM(more than 6GB) it becomes a moot point.
Android indeed needs a little more RAM that iOS but certainly not double and certainly Apple can't achieve with 6GB what's possible with 12GB on Android.

If the Pixel didn’t NEED 12 GB to maintain the user experience that is expected when compared against the iPhone and other smartphones, it wouldn’t HAVE 12 GB. Unless one is under the impression that companies routinely add things to devices that are not essential. If that’s the case, then, yeah, Pixel COULD do just fine with one core, the other 7 are there just for show.

 

[Taz Mangus]

I agree that they don't make CPUS's but gonna have to hard disagree that they don't design them.

My point still stands. That analogy was non-sense.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

So if Apple put a big strip on the back of the MacBook Pro instead of a notch would people be happy?

“People” are never happy. There’s not a single thing anyone can say about anything that won’t have someone unhappy about it.

Including this post.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Apple is proposing to do it on device, that's a big difference to a lot of people.

Yeah, but it doesn’t even factor into it unless you use iCloud. If someone using iCloud has multiple illegal image matches, those individual images are tagged and Apple doesn’t have to review anyone’s entire photo store.

Since a lot of people would rather have ALL of their pictures scanned even if they have no illegal images, maybe Apple should scan everyone’s images?

 

[M3gatron]

If the Pixel didn’t NEED 12 GB to maintain the user experience that is expected when compared against the iPhone and other smartphones, it wouldn’t HAVE 12 GB.

Google will easily "maintain the user experience that is expected when compared against the iPhone and other smartphones" with the 8GB Pixel 6 as only the 6 Pro got the 12GB or RAM.

Unless one is under the impression that companies routinely add things to devices that are not essential.

That's precisely what they do, like the notch on the new Macbooks.

If that’s the case, then, yeah, Pixel COULD do just fine with one core, the other 7 are there just for show.

Completely irrelevant and illogical analogy.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Google will easily "maintain the user experience that is expected when compared against the iPhone and other smartphones" with the 8GB Pixel 6 as only the 6 Pro got the 12GB or RAM.

Ok! I’m sure you, anonymous internet person, know more than Google does about their products and the requirements thereof!

Completely irrelevant and illogical analogy.

AH YES! Google would NEVER add more CPU cores than they need, what am I thinking!! They’d ONLY add more RAM than they need. YES it’s all clear now.