Google Launches 'Swiffy' Flash-to-HTML5 Converter

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Google today announced the launch of Google Swiffy, a new Google Labs effort to produce a tool capable of converting Flash content to HTML5 for display on non-Flash devices such as the iPhone and iPad.
    Google has posted a small gallery showing examples of Flash content converted to HTML5 by Swiffy.


    Earlier this year, Adobe released its own Flash-to-HTML5 converter known as "Wallaby". Neither Wallaby nor Swiffy is yet able to handle advanced Flash animations for such content complex interactive games, but both companies are obviously looking for ways to make it easy to move Flash content onto non-Flash devices. As Google notes in its Swiffy FAQ, Wallaby is designed to produce editable code by reusing some of the Flash elements in the HTML5 result, while Swiffy's focus is simply on presentation and yields a less-editable final product.

    Article Link: Google Launches 'Swiffy' Flash-to-HTML5 Converter
  2. jackhdev macrumors 6502

    Apr 9, 2011
    Bismarck, North Dakota
    WOW, this is such a great tool, and I can't believe it exists! Now I can make some websites in Flash (in my opinion, a much easier to use tool), and I can most likely easily convert all of it to HTML5. I can't wait to use it!
  3. nagromme macrumors G5


    May 2, 2002
    I doesn’t really work with my own Flash creations (at least the couple I tested), but I like these new options that are evolving! There are no perfect solutions yet, but at least we’re seeing progress. I’m impressed by how much does work.
  4. baleensavage macrumors 6502a

    Aug 2, 2005
    On an island in Maine
    I shudder to think of the garbage code these automatic converters are going to create. IMHO a much better solution is to have a development environment that is able to output both Flash and HTML5 content rather than a basic converter that takes Flash content and shoehorns it into HTML5 output.

    Now if this was an iOS app that could load Flash pages on the fly by converting them to HTML5, that would be another story...
  5. baryon macrumors 68040


    Oct 3, 2009
    We all wish that were true, but the reality is that these tools are crap. They won't convert anything much more complex than 2 circles tweening from left to right, unfortunately. Adobe should just make it so that Flash outputs in HTML, if that's even possible.
  6. oheckyeah macrumors member

    Feb 23, 2011
    ABQ, NM
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but this does not make grammatical sense to me:

    "Neither Wallaby nor Swiffy is yet able to handle advanced Flash animations for such content complex interactive games..."

    I know what they are trying to say, and I don't mind the occasional mistake, but it has been a recent trend on MacRumors that there are grammatical and/or spelling errors in posts. Is there no editor? Or do those posting not at least read through what they have written before posting?

    In an attempt to look professional and thereby increase credibility, I feel like some editing should be going on here.
  7. djrod macrumors 65816


    Sep 16, 2008
    Madrid - Spain
    who in their right mind would design websites in Flash?
  8. charliex5 macrumors regular

    Jun 27, 2008
    Seattle, WA
    I have to agree. There have been tons of errors recently to the point that its getting annoying. What's happening to my MacRumors?!
  9. autrefois macrumors 65816


    Oct 22, 2003
    Somewhere in the USA
    I think it means that Wallaby and Swiffy can't do Flash yet for happy, complicated games that are also interactive.

    But seriously, my guess is that MacRumors is just increasingly inundated with news and submissions. It's still tops IMHO. It must be difficult to balance speed, coverage, and accuracy. Apple and others in the industry just need to stop developing so much stuff! :D
  10. Anonymous Freak macrumors 603

    Anonymous Freak

    Dec 12, 2002
    Please don't.

    The vast majority of Flash websites are crap. Even if the ones you create are the exception, don't use an automated tool to do what you should have done in the first place - program in HTML5.

    If you're going to make an HTML5 website, take the time to learn to do it properly.

    (Note, I have no basis of comparison for your Flash websites, you could very well be one of the people who designs them well, I have seen good Flash website designers. But even the best-made Flash website would suck ass when run through this converter. As Google admits, it works best on small things like ads.)
  11. emvath macrumors regular

    Jan 5, 2009
    Swiffy? Isn't that the thing you use to sweep your hardwood floors? The swiffy quicky-picker-upper!
  12. The Phazer macrumors 68030

    Oct 31, 2007
    London, UK
    People who want many of the features that HTML5 doesn't offer? Or doesn't want terrible animation performance?

  13. winston1236 macrumors 68000

    Dec 13, 2010
    someone not interested in viewers on the mobile platform
  14. winston1236 macrumors 68000

    Dec 13, 2010
    no thats swiffer
  15. winston1236 macrumors 68000

    Dec 13, 2010
    Ads are where google makes their money so they have a huge interest in their ads running on non flash devices
  16. Daveoc64 macrumors 601

    Jan 16, 2008
    Bristol, UK

    If you look at the demos provided, you'll see that the Flash versions use less CPU % than the HTML5 generated alternatives.

    I don't think any browser currently uses hardware acceleration to render SVG.
  17. jayducharme macrumors 68040


    Jun 22, 2006
    The thick of it
    This seems to be an interesting move by Google, given that they've been advertising how Android can run Flash. Are they finally conceding that Flash on mobile devices might not give an impressive performance?
  18. DrNeroCF macrumors 6502

    Sep 2, 2004
    Uh, I just threw the simplest swfs that I had at it, and apparently it can't even getNextHighestDepth.

    Finally I just made a squiggle and run _x ++ on it. Well, that worked...

    Not sure how ScaleForm can fully rasterize a swf, but swiffy can hardly do anything.

    I guess I'll have to fool with it later...
  19. adrianweller macrumors newbie

    Jun 28, 2011
    Adobe have already solved this problem

    With PDF!
    If you create a document in InDesign, you send it to the printer's as a PDF.
    If you create a document in Illustrator, you send it to the printer's as a PDF.
    If you create a document in Photoshop, you send it to the printer's as a PDF.
    If you create a document in Word, you send it to the printer's as a PDF, and they throw it back in your face (there are some things even Adobe can't fix!!).

    The point is, different software can create a common file type that is capable of delivering all of the content exactly as intended. The Postscript RIP at the printer's is the equivalent of the HTML 5 browser.

    Adobe need to implement a similar solution with Flash on web browsers.
    I'm not saying it's easy, but any company that came up with pure genius like postscript, PDF, and the incredible Transparency flattener (for the print-media people out there) can do it!
  20. Truffy macrumors 6502a


    May 9, 2005
    somewhere outside your window...
    If you're developing in Flash, why not just use Wallaby?
    Presumably this would require the device to recognise Flash in the first place, and this does not conform to ecosystem rules. It's a bag of hurt man! :rolleyes:
    Converting all those web pages to PDF will take time! :D
  21. bocomo macrumors 6502

    Jun 29, 2007
    New York
    thank you!

    i HATE visiting websites that are all flash--horrible experience

    seems like artists and restaurants are the worst offenders
  22. Jeaz macrumors 6502


    Dec 12, 2009
    Use Hype instead, makes them in HTML5 in a "flash way" natively.
  23. macUser2007 macrumors 65832

    May 30, 2007
    Right.... :rolleyes:

    Except that in our universe the majority of users will not be able to see your HTMP5 creations in their browsers, while virtually everyone can see the Flash versions.

    Plus, for complex animation Flash is way ahead of HTML5....
  24. gregorypierce macrumors regular

    Jan 28, 2002
    Unfortunately the tool is mostly Hype right now. Swiffy/Flash will allow you to create far more complex thing than you can with Hype today.
  25. rmwebs macrumors 68040

    Apr 6, 2007
    I think you'll find that every modern web browser can handle HTML5 perfectly fine ;)

    A prime example is the forum software, XenForo - its fully HTML5 and is even compatible with IE6.


    Sidenote: I googled for a copy of flash pacman, downloaded the SWF and ran it through Swiffy. To my surprise, it actually worked and produced a fully functional HTML5 copy (all be it with fugly looking code and it ran pretty slow, but it was playable).

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