Google-Motorola "Phone X"

[Dave.UK]

When you bend the back like that you expect a line going horizontally, not vertically like in the pictures 🙄

And Chrome can automatically translate pages into English BTW.

You can tell they have bent the back vertically prior to taking the picture of them bending it horizontally. 🙄

You failed to answer - Why would anyone take the back off their phone and bend it either horizontally or vertically like that?

 

[strausd]

You can tell they have bent the back vertically prior to taking the picture of them bending it horizontally. 🙄

Care to prove that? Because they only have a picture of them bending it one way, and the crack goes in the opposite direction. Also, what proof do you have that those pictures were even taken chronologically? Or are you just making a giant assumption?

You failed to answer - Why would anyone take the back off their phone and bend it either horizontally or vertically like that?

There is no need to bend the back. But you are only asking this question because you blindly assume that plastic is extremely strong and will only break when forcefully and purposefully broken. But that is not the case. Plastic can crack and break from average day to day use. Need me to show you my iPhone 3GS?

Also, don't forget that the article mentioned multiple times how soft and cheap the plastic feels. If you yourself have felt the GS4 plastic and think otherwise, please enlighten me. Otherwise I will have to take this persons word over yours, considering this person has actual experience with the phone, and you do not.

 

[Dave.UK]

Care to prove that? Because they only have a picture of them bending it one way, and the crack goes in the opposite direction. Also, what proof do you have that those pictures were even taken chronologically? Or are you just making a giant assumption?


There is no need to bend the back. But you are only asking this question because you blindly assume that plastic is extremely strong and will only break when forcefully and purposefully broken. But that is not the case. Plastic can crack and break from average day to day use. Need me to show you my iPhone 3GS?

Also, don't forget that the article mentioned multiple times how soft and cheap the plastic feels. If you yourself have felt the GS4 plastic and think otherwise, please enlighten me. Otherwise I will have to take this persons word over yours, considering this person has actual experience with the phone, and you do not.

Its call common sense. Backs of phones don't just crack like that without being forced. In fact, any plastic dosent just crack like that without user error.

Ive got the S3, and the article compares the back of the S4 to being the same as the S3. I can assure you that the back of my S3 and all the people I know that have S3's are still inexactly the same shape as when we purchased them.

Believe who you like, Im speaking from my experience - its pretty obivious they have bent that back and caused the crack.

 

[strausd]

Its call common sense. Backs of phones don't just crack like that without being forced. In fact, any plastic dosent just crack like that without user error.

Ive got the S3, and the article compares the back of the S4 to being the same as the S3. I can assure you that the back of my S3 and all the people I know that have S3's are still inexactly the same shape as when we purchased them.

Believe who you like, Im speaking from my experience - its pretty obivious they have bent that back and caused the crack.

Yet the only proof is them showing how weak it is by bending it in the opposite direction. Good one 😉

And I have seen multiple broken back plates on S3s. So that doesn't help your argument at all.

Plus in drop tests I have seen, the iPhone 5 help up much better over the GS3. And in that case, it was because of the weak plastic frame. By having a weak frame, on impact there was more pressure on the glass, causing it to crack. Whereas the aluminum frame kept its shape much better, causing less stress on the glass.

 

[Dave.UK]

Yet the only proof is them showing how weak it is by bending it in the opposite direction. Good one 😉

And I have seen multiple broken back plates on S3s. So that doesn't help your argument at all.

Plus in drop tests I have seen, the iPhone 5 help up much better over the GS3. And in that case, it was because of the weak plastic frame. By having a weak frame, on impact there was more pressure on the glass, causing it to crack. Whereas the aluminum frame kept its shape much better, causing less stress on the glass.

Clearly you haven't read anything ive said 🙄 Bending it and it not snapping hardly proves the plastic is weak! Anyway, the backs are not designed to be bent!

Droptests are pointless as phones land in different ways giving different results.

Ah well, as you've seen that you've obviously won the discussion! 🙄 Again, they only break if caused by user error - aka bending.

 

[MRU]

Well that was quite an entertaining little squabble...... 😉. Nice to put the feet up and watch ye go at it... Bender style...

One thing undeniable however, even if I'm not a fan of Samsung's aesthetics - is that if your plastic back panel breaks for whatever reason (you've asked your robotic mechanical best friend to test its sturdiness, or he's sleep bending again) its vastly cheaper and easier to replace than glass or more expensive / crafted materials.

I mean €10 for a back panel certainly beats €50-100 to get your iPhone 4S repaired. So there are tangible benefits regardless.

 

[Moccasin]

I mean €10 for a back panel certainly beats €50-100 to get your iPhone 4S repaired. So there are tangible benefits regardless.

Slight exaggeration - cost me £25 to get my iPhone 4 back replaced at the Apple store a few weeks ago.

 

[daveathall]

If you are going to do a comparison, then do it like for like.

I bet I can snap a S3 back when off the phone, but also, I could snap the back of a iPhone 5 when it is taken off the phone. I would find it quite difficult snapping either of them when they are attached to the phone.

 

[MRU]

Slight exaggeration - cost me £25 to get my iPhone 4 back replaced at the Apple store a few weeks ago.

I said € and we don't have 'apple stores' in Ireland 😉 just third parties offering repair services. For example

iPhone 4/4S Back Glass Cover
Is the back of your iPhone cracked or scratched? This 15 minute service will replace your entire back casing, making your iPhone 4/4S look brand new again.

2-4 Hour Pickup/Repair/Return for Dublin 1, 2, 4 €49
2-4 Hour Pickup/Repair/Return for Dublin City €54
2-4 Day Nationwide Pickup/Repair/Return €54

 

[Giuly]

Factoring in their Motorola purchase, Google has made no money off Android. They've basically been developing and giving away Android as a charity to companies like Samsung and Amazon to get rich off of for the past few years.

This Google Motorola phone is a last chance opportunity for Google to monetize off Android through branded hardware. If it's not a hit, I'm really curious what will happen to Android

Android Market? Ads? Data mining to better monetize ads on the desktop?

 

[Moccasin]

I said € and we don't have 'apple stores' in Ireland 😉 just third parties offering repair services. For example

I appreciate it wasn't in € - but all those were at the lower end of your €50-100 range 🙂.

 

[xraydoc]

My dream Android phone is quite simple. Moderately fast processor (fast but energy efficient), 4.5-4.7" LCD screen (AMOLED too frequently is a power-hog and is pentile), RAZR Maxx-like battery, high-quality camera and a near-stock up-to-date Android OS.

Doesn't seem too complicated. The RAZR Maxx HD basically fits the bill, but I get the sense it's shortly due to be downgraded to the "$99 on contract" category with the rumored May X Phone release.

 

[strausd]

Droptests are pointless as phones land in different ways giving different results.

Funny how you avoid the main point of why I brought that up 🙄

Way to read buddy 😀

 

[cynics]

Yet the only proof is them showing how weak it is by bending it in the opposite direction. Good one 😉

And I have seen multiple broken back plates on S3s. So that doesn't help your argument at all.

Plus in drop tests I have seen, the iPhone 5 help up much better over the GS3. And in that case, it was because of the weak plastic frame.By having a weak frame, on impact there was more pressure on the glass, causing it to crack. Whereas the aluminum frame kept its shape much better, causing less stress on the glass.

Are you guys talking about the same iPhone 5 that I know of? The one that people have bent removing from a phone case?

It's more likely the S3's screen will be more likely to shatter vs the iPhone 5's because it has literally 25% more glass on the front and its 15% heavier. Do you honestly believe the aluminum frame is the reason and not the amount of glass and its weight? By your theory I should be able to drop my iPad 3 from the same height and the screen will be fine right?

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Funny how you avoid the main point of why I brought that up 🙄

Way to read buddy 😀

Just noticed this post. See above....

 

[Dave.UK]

Funny how you avoid the main point of why I brought that up 🙄

Way to read buddy 😀

Sorry, lost me on that one 😕

As I pointed out, droptests are pointless as its impossible to get the phones to land exactly the same thus the results vary.

Plus as already pointed out, what about people getting scratched and dented iphone 5's out of the box brand new? Or the iphone 5's that bend because they are long and thin?

 

[tbayrgs]

My dream Android phone is quite simple. Moderately fast processor (fast but energy efficient), 4.5-4.7" LCD screen (AMOLED too frequently is a power-hog and is pentile), RAZR Maxx-like battery, high-quality camera and a near-stock up-to-date Android OS.

Doesn't seem too complicated. The RAZR Maxx HD basically fits the bill, but I get the sense it's shortly due to be downgraded to the "$99 on contract" category with the rumored May X Phone release.

Sounds pretty good to me, with a couple of minor tweaks. I'd like a Razr Maxx-like battery, minus the Razr Maxx aesthetics--sorry just find the recent Moto styling ugly. And I'll acknowledge the better durability and flexibility (pun not intended but rather option of expandable memory and replaceable battery) of having a removable plastic back panel--I just don't prefer how they look/feel and will sacrifice these benefits for unibody construction, preferably metal or glass (though I actually like the look of the Lumia 920). Again, just my preference and willing to deal with some shortcomings.

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I like that the plastic back and therefore the battery is easily replaceable should anything go wrong down the line.

I fear if and when the battery goes bad in the HTC One, I'll have to deal with HTC customer service, which I hear is far from being helpful.

I initially liked this feature of my Note 2 but in reality don't personally find it necessary. I have yet to actually need to use a spare battery on the fly, probably because of the Note 2's outstanding battery performance and realize I really prefer the solid feel of a unibody design--still feel a bit of flex/movement having a removable back cover, even if it is minute.

I also don't worry about possible battery failure and the need to replace it in the future, probably because I rarely keep a phone for more than a year. 😀

 

[Liquorpuki]

Android Market? Ads? Data mining to better monetize ads on the desktop?

With that Motorola purchase they're still in the red. And they didn't need to spend $$$ to create an OS to monetize off ad revenue or data mine. They would've been able to do that regardless

So what is the point of Android?

 

[strausd]

Sorry, lost me on that one 😕

Clearly.

As I pointed out, droptests are pointless as its impossible to get the phones to land exactly the same thus the results vary.

It is not about drop tests, but more about the structural integrity of the phone's frame. If the frame of a phone takes enough force from an impact, it will bend. Hopefully we can at least agree on that simple fact.

Now as the frame bends where the impact was, more stress is put on the glass. Hopefully that still makes sense.

As more stress is put on the glass from the impact on the frame, the more likely it is to shatter. Still with me?

So to recap so far, without even discussing materials, a phone's frame can increase or decrease the likelihood of the screen shattering. And with a stiffer frame, it will cause less deformation in the frame, causing less stress on the screen, making it less likely to shatter.

Now here is where the different materials come into play. You want a stiffer frame in order to keep the stress off the corners of the glass during impact. So what material will give a stiffer frame: that plastic that bends with almost no pressure, or the aluminum?

Also note, weak plastic in this scenario does not even require the plastic to break. It just requires that the plastic allows a lot of bending. And as seen in a previous picture I linked to, the GS4 plastic bends quite easily (and also cracks 😉 ).

Plus as already pointed out, what about people getting scratched and dented iphone 5's out of the box brand new? Or the iphone 5's that bend because they are long and thin?

Out of all the people I know with iPhone 5's, not a single one of them had this problem. So sure, you can cherry pick. But I could cherry pick about broken plastic on smartphones, but that would be much easier to find.

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Are you guys talking about the same iPhone 5 that I know of? The one that people have bent removing from a phone case?

It's more likely the S3's screen will be more likely to shatter vs the iPhone 5's because it has literally 25% more glass on the front and its 15% heavier. Do you honestly believe the aluminum frame is the reason and not the amount of glass and its weight?

See above.

By your theory I should be able to drop my iPad 3 from the same height and the screen will be fine right?

I'm sorry, please quote me where I said that aluminum will always keep everything perfectly safe.

If you care to read any of my previous statements, you will notice me using words such as "more stress" and "less likely". No where did I say "no stress" or "not at all likely". See the difference?

In every single case I have talked about, I was consistently talking about aluminum and how it stacks up against alternatives. Again, I never said it would always without fail keep everything safe. So maybe you should understand what is being said before making giant assumptions.

Of course, we could just follow your theory of not completely comprehending an argument before making a halfway thought out response 😉

 

[Dave.UK]

Clearly.


It is not about drop tests, but more about the structural integrity of the phone's frame. If the frame of a phone takes enough force from an impact, it will bend. Hopefully we can at least agree on that simple fact.

Now as the frame bends where the impact was, more stress is put on the glass. Hopefully that still makes sense.

As more stress is put on the glass from the impact on the frame, the more likely it is to shatter. Still with me?

So to recap so far, without even discussing materials, a phone's frame can increase or decrease the likelihood of the screen shattering. And with a stiffer frame, it will cause less deformation in the frame, causing less stress on the screen, making it less likely to shatter.

Now here is where the different materials come into play. You want a stiffer frame in order to keep the stress off the corners of the glass during impact. So what material will give a stiffer frame: that plastic that bends with almost no pressure, or the aluminum?

Also note, weak plastic in this scenario does not even require the plastic to break. It just requires that the plastic allows a lot of bending. And as seen in a previous picture I linked to, the GS4 plastic bends quite easily (and also cracks 😉 ).


Out of all the people I know with iPhone 5's, not a single one of them had this problem. So sure, you can cherry pick. But I could cherry pick about broken plastic on smartphones, but that would be much easier to find.

Nonsense. Aluminum is a soft metal that can be easily bent. I dont know why your trying to make it sound stronger then what it is! Just look at this forum where people have reported dents and scratches on their new iPhones.

Galaxy S4 plastic can be bent and snapped
iPhone 5 aluminum can be bent and damaged
The answer is not to bend them!

I dont know a single person that has a cracked Galaxy S3 back plate. Please feel free to show me extensive evidence of this problem. For the iPhone bending, all you have to do is look on this very forum!

 

[jeffe]

Clearly.


It is not about drop tests, but more about the structural integrity of the phone's frame. If the frame of a phone takes enough force from an impact, it will bend. Hopefully we can at least agree on that simple fact.

Now as the frame bends where the impact was, more stress is put on the glass. Hopefully that still makes sense.

As more stress is put on the glass from the impact on the frame, the more likely it is to shatter. Still with me?

So to recap so far, without even discussing materials, a phone's frame can increase or decrease the likelihood of the screen shattering. And with a stiffer frame, it will cause less deformation in the frame, causing less stress on the screen, making it less likely to shatter.

Now here is where the different materials come into play. You want a stiffer frame in order to keep the stress off the corners of the glass during impact. So what material will give a stiffer frame: that plastic that bends with almost no pressure, or the aluminum?

Also note, weak plastic in this scenario does not even require the plastic to break. It just requires that the plastic allows a lot of bending. And as seen in a previous picture I linked to, the GS4 plastic bends quite easily (and also cracks 😉 ).


Out of all the people I know with iPhone 5's, not a single one of them had this problem. So sure, you can cherry pick. But I could cherry pick about broken plastic on smartphones, but that would be much easier to find.

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See above.



I'm sorry, please quote me where I said that aluminum will always keep everything perfectly safe.

If you care to read any of my previous statements, you will notice me using words such as "more stress" and "less likely". No where did I say "no stress" or "not at all likely". See the difference?

In every single case I have talked about, I was consistently talking about aluminum and how it stacks up against alternatives. Again, I never said it would always without fail keep everything safe. So maybe you should understand what is being said before making giant assumptions.

Of course, we could just follow your theory of not completely comprehending an argument before making a halfway thought out response 😉

How does the back of the phone being able to pop off when dropped come into the picture?

 

[strausd]

How does the back of the phone being able to pop off when dropped come into the picture?

....You do know what the word "frame" means, right? Because I am clearly talking about the frame and not the back cover at this point. This conversation has progressed passed the back cover as nobody seems to understand the downfalls of a plastic back cover. Maybe they will understand the downfalls of a plastic frame.

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Nonsense. Aluminum is a soft metal that can be easily bent.

Let me try and make this as simple as possible for you.

Imagine the aluminum in the iPhone 5. Now imagine the plastic on the GS3 or 4. Which one would require less pressure and strength to make the kind of bend at the top of this image?

It is simple really. Plastic would without a doubt require less pressure to make it bend that much. Now apply it to what I talked about in relation to a phone's frame. The easier it bends, the more pressure on the glass. The more pressure, the more likely it is to shatter.

Galaxy S4 plastic can be bent and snapped
iPhone 5 aluminum can be bent and damaged

Yet plastic requires less pressure to make a bend of the same magnitude.

The answer is not to bend them!

Read my previous post about how this goes into accidentally dropping a phone, not just purposefully trying to bend it. Ever heard of average wear and tear?

I dont know a single person that has a cracked Galaxy S3 back plate.

Well then according to your logic if someone doesn't personally know anyone with a certain problem, then that problem must not exist anywhere in this universe 🙄

So then let's follow your logic. I know nobody with a dented or bent iPhone 5, or anyone who bought an iPhone 5 that came bent, dented, or scratched straight from the factory. So according to your logic, that problem must not exist anywhere 😀

Please feel free to show me extensive evidence of this problem. For the iPhone bending, all you have to do is look on this very forum!

Ever heard of a little website called Google? Or do I really need to treat you like a child and spoon feed you every piece of information? I was trying to show you more respect than that.

 

[jeffe]

....You do know what the word "frame" means, right? Because I am clearly talking about the frame and not the back cover at this point. This conversation has progressed passed the back cover as nobody seems to understand the downfalls of a plastic back cover. Maybe they will understand the downfalls of a plastic frame.

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Let me try and make this as simple as possible for you.

Imagine the aluminum in the iPhone 5. Now imagine the plastic on the GS3 or 4. Which one would require less pressure and strength to make the kind of bend at the top of this image?

It is simple really. Plastic would without a doubt require less pressure to make it bend that much. Now apply it to what I talked about in relation to a phone's frame. The easier it bends, the more pressure on the glass. The more pressure, the more likely it is to shatter.




Yet plastic requires less pressure to make a bend of the same magnitude.

Read my previous post about how this goes into accidentally dropping a phone, not just purposefully trying to bend it. Ever heard of average wear and tear?


Well then according to your logic if someone doesn't personally know anyone with a certain problem, then that problem must not exist anywhere in this universe 🙄

So then let's follow your logic. I know nobody with a dented or bent iPhone 5, or anyone who bought an iPhone 5 that came bent, dented, or scratched straight from the factory. So according to your logic, that problem must not exist anywhere 😀


Ever heard of a little website called Google? Or do I really need to treat you like a child and spoon feed you every piece of information? I was trying to show you more respect than that.

I've always thought plastic was able to absorb the impact greater while something stronger would transfer the impact directly to the screen but then again I'm not engineer.

I've owned three plastic galaxy phones and have kept them all without a case. I've dropped them plenty and haven't had anything more than a hardly noticeable scratch on the frame.

The galaxy s3 does seem a bit more exposed as there is no lip around the screen as some of the others used to have. I'm not sure why this has not been mentioned.

Anyways, Doing a search on ebay at this moment turns up one galaxy phone with a cracked frame. From this and my personal experience, it wouldn't surprise me if any these issues are currently being made into a bigger deal than they need to be at this moment.

 

[thehustleman]

Definitely something to keep an eye on.

"To summarize - come May 15, we could be looking at project X, the first Motorola phone with direct input from Google, which might sport a Kevlar back, screen in the 4.8"-5" range, quad-core processor, 3,000+ mAh battery, microSD slot (up to 128GB), good amounts of storage, stock Android and an eventual Sony camera sensor. Sounds like a winner from Moto, but lets wait and see if and what of all this will materialize, and will there be any novel features with it, brought on by Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie, which the X is said to be the first phone with."


If it's a Verizon-exclusive, however, that would blow. EDIT: The rumor is that it'll be for Verizon on contract, and also available unlocked from the Play Store. Yet won't be considered a Nexus device (da heck?).


http://www.phonearena.com/news/More...battery-Sony-camera-sensor-and-Kevlar_id39368

This sounds great so far, but i doubt they will include a memory card slot because Google for whatever silly reason has been going backwards with the memory card thing

 

[roxxette]

This sounds great so far, but i doubt they will include a memory card slot because Google for whatever silly reason has been going backwards with the memory card thing

I wouldnt worry to much about it, next year 120gb phones will start to show and il be damm if someone needs more than that 🙂 but i know sd cards/slots have its advantages in regards of rooming

 

[Dave.UK]

....You do know what the word "frame" means, right? Because I am clearly talking about the frame and not the back cover at this point. This conversation has progressed passed the back cover as nobody seems to understand the downfalls of a plastic back cover. Maybe they will understand the downfalls of a plastic frame.

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Let me try and make this as simple as possible for you.

Imagine the aluminum in the iPhone 5. Now imagine the plastic on the GS3 or 4. Which one would require less pressure and strength to make the kind of bend at the top of this image?

It is simple really. Plastic would without a doubt require less pressure to make it bend that much. Now apply it to what I talked about in relation to a phone's frame. The easier it bends, the more pressure on the glass. The more pressure, the more likely it is to shatter.




Yet plastic requires less pressure to make a bend of the same magnitude.

Read my previous post about how this goes into accidentally dropping a phone, not just purposefully trying to bend it. Ever heard of average wear and tear?

I think you'll find if the thin aluminium of the iPhone 5 would bend considerably easier then that of the Galaxy S3. As ive already pointed out, aluminium is a "soft metal" - think of foil and cans.

Well then according to your logic if someone doesn't personally know anyone with a certain problem, then that problem must not exist anywhere in this universe 🙄

So then let's follow your logic. I know nobody with a dented or bent iPhone 5, or anyone who bought an iPhone 5 that came bent, dented, or scratched straight from the factory. So according to your logic, that problem must not exist anywhere 😀

Remember your previous post? 🙄

Out of all the people I know with iPhone 5's, not a single one of them had this problem.

Ever heard of a little website called Google? Or do I really need to treat you like a child and spoon feed you every piece of information? I was trying to show you more respect than that/

I looked on Google and could only find a few instances of user error, but judging by how you worded your post, you made it sound like a wide spread problem!