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Google Nexus One Software Updated to Offer 'Pinch-to-Zoom' Multi-Touch Capabilities

chocolaterabbit said:
I've read and understood what you said, and Apple would be foolish to operate in the way you suggest. Never mind a simple bit of market research, nay, even a 10 second google query, would've told them that MMS is kind of popular, no, forget that, common sense should've told them that if they want to actually send a picture to a dumbphone without email, they have to use MMS. And last time i checked, dumbphones are a lot more popular than smartphones.
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If you doubt my explanation for why apple waited so long, what's your explanation?
 
Apple never had anything against MMS, except priority

Apple never said anything against MMS, or pro email. That was all made up by fanboys who try to justify anything that's missing.

As for email being "superior", that wasn't even true at first, and still is somewhat bogus. The iPhone email program always crunches pictures down, and at first it was to as low a resolution as most dumphones used for MMS.

Jobs is simply of a certain age where surveys show that he probably uses email a lot and has rarely used MMS. That's the most likely reason that MMS was low on their priority list.
 
iDisk said:
Actually that's much different, when Apple released the iPhone in 2007 people wanted that on a Touch device, Apple was the ONLY touch device smartphone maker at the time.
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Touch phones have been around since the 1990s, including many with the ability to do copy/paste by touch alone.

taosbob said:
Looking quickly through this thread I find that no one has posted a mention of Apple's major patent covering multitouch, patent #7,479,949, (...snip...) The patent specifically covers multitouch gestures such as pinch to zoom:
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That's because it's neither a patent on multitouch nor pinch.

The approved patent Claims only cover certain scrolling actions with ONE or more fingers.

The other hundreds of pages simply show possible embodiments of the Claims.

cmaier said:
And by the way, here's all of the stuff that the patent office decided is not prior art:
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One of my favorites in there is #6466203, which is about clicking a section of a web page to zoom in on it. And it was applied for back in 2000. Amazing.

Interestingly, Apple is being sued by Picsel, who claims that Apple is using their method for web page smooth scrolling. Oldtime smartphone users will remember the Picsel browser as having scrolling, zooming and visual history years ago.
 
kdarling said:
The other hundreds of pages simply show possible embodiments of the Claims.
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There are doubtless other applications (divisionals and continuations, or continuations of the same parent applications) that contain those same hundreds of pages, but different claims (that's the way it works). Whether any of them become patents is anyone's guess.
 
Has this site turned into a general phone blog?

I personally couldn't care less what Google is doing with their phone and don't see the relevance to MacRumors.

Yawn.
 
WhySoSerious said:
didn't all you apple fanboy's get SOOOO excited when the iphone finally got MMS and copy/paste.....things that have been on other phones forEVER!!!
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Thank you for keeping these hypocritical fanboys humble.

See ya in 2020, iPhone, when you get around to offering a FLASH for the camera! hahaha Lovin' that OLED screen on the v.3 iPhone. Whoops!
 
KScottMyers said:
From the video - looks like it has a few issues. Not quite the iPhone experience.
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++ I noticed exactly that and I wondered why. Not that I want the competition to be as good (or better) than Apple but, really, is it that difficult? Maybe it has to do with the low quality multitouch sensors. :p

I really hope we're getting over a time where "good enough" becomes the standard in computing because it's really held back progress and cost billions over the years.
 
MyBrainIsSpeakn said:
But I bet you, if Apple decides to sue (bad move), they will lose, and other companies will come out the woodworks to say "wait a minute... if we're not mistaken..." and sue Apple.
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in recent memory, the only time Apple ever sued a company (not countersue) was the whole Asteroid lawsuit that they lost in 2006. maybe they learned from that and decided to not go after other companies again.

what i don't understand here, is that they file so many patents and it doesn't change any approach for any competitors. does that mean Microsoft could literally lift the iPhone OS and put it in Windows Mobile 7? what happened to the times when noone would use an iPod-like scrollwheel on an mp3 player? does patent law give anyone any protection at all?
 
FightTheFuture said:
in recent memory, the only time Apple ever sued a company (not countersue) was the whole Asteroid lawsuit that they lost in 2006. maybe they learned from that and decided to not go after other companies again.

what i don't understand here, is that they file so many patents and it doesn't change any approach for any competitors. does that mean Microsoft could literally lift the iPhone OS and put it in Windows Mobile 7? what happened to the times when noone would use an iPod-like scrollwheel on an mp3 player? does patent law give anyone any protection at all?
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Microsoft just lost a couple of a hundred million dollars in a single lawsuit, so, yeah, it provides protection.

Trust me when i tell you a lot of thought goes into exactly when, and against whom to sue, in what jurisdiction. It takes a long time for everything to be put together. Remember that a plaintiff's key advantage is they can put their entire case together and then sue, and then the defendant has a limited time to put together their defense. There's no point in rushing into court.
 
Povilas said:
Right, so he should have at least something around what Bill has? Or maybe he just doesn't care a lot about money?
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Why do people keep bringing up the sales numbers of other manufacturers (which have a lower circulation) as if thats a bad thing???????

Apart from the support in terms of apps that comes from having a widely used platform (would love to have a skysports app on android), this for me is a MASSIVE BONUS.

I dont like having a phone that everyone else has. Can you understand that. And overall I would say global trends support this. Thats why we have multiple manufacturers selling competing products and fine if not making the profits Apple is, and God may they continue to do so.

Seriously it is like this boring club that I just am not bothered with being a part of. I'd be happy if Google never reached a million sold and everyone else used their iphones as long as google would still support android. I really dont care for being part of 'the masses'.
 
John Dillinger said:
Why do people keep bringing up the sales numbers of other manufacturers (which have a lower circulation) as if thats a bad thing???????

Apart from the support in terms of apps that comes from having a widely used platform (would love to have a skysports app on android), this for me is a MASSIVE BONUS.

I dont like having a phone that everyone else has. Can you understand that. And overall I would say global trends support this. Thats why we have multiple manufacturers selling competing products and fine if not making the profits Apple is, and God may they continue to do so.

Seriously it is like this boring club that I just am not bothered with being a part of. I'd be happy if Google never reached a million sold and everyone else used their iphones as long as google would still support android. I really dont care for being part of 'the masses'.
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I have neither.
 
Glideslope said:
Absolutely, but I don't think it can happen with Steve as CEO. Simply too narcissistic with the details. :cool:
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Exactly what I was thinking the other day.

You cant say its a bad thing because they generally put out very good quality products.

But you can tell they just wouldnt be able to keep up with more product releases as everything gets combed over so throughly and despite their profits, seem a relatively small company in terms of their powers to execute multiple product lines. Case in point, iphone/ipad has pretty much taken over all their innovation efforts.
 
Cerebrus' Maw said:
Wow, my faith in humanity's survival has just died a little bit.

Google? Dead? Probably the most important single web startup company to exist? Can I assume that you dont work for a dot com retail business. Because if you dont, you have no idea how important Google is to the internet.

Lack of services? Just because you dont use them, you discredit them? Adwords, web optimizer, split testing, multi variant testing, page testing, analytics? Let alone their open services, such as Docs, Calender, Mail, Goggles, Maps, oh and that little thing of free gps navigation with android...

Last to the party? Yet cut,copy and paste was added to the iphone OS X in.... 2009? Did you crow about that?

'Kill the Iphone' was coined by the review sites, as they all labeled it to pit it against the Apple kit, add a bit of spice. And a smart phone, I remind you, that Google did not big up pre launch. No advertisement, no sponsors, no links, no info, they just dog fed it their employees and released it. It was every other tech site/person under the sun that created the hype.

I find it ironic that these 'fanboys' love their large percentage of market share for the Iphone, yet will rabidly defend their small Desktop OS market share, crediting the better experience, the travesty of the 90's to their ' we're smaller, ergo, we are better' stance. Small man syndrome.

I love my Apple stuff, but to blindly place blinkers on your own eyesight because of some cult like following to a company that owe's you nothing, let alone a cold heated profession as technology, is perplexing to say the least. I equally enjoy my Ubuntu box, my Moto, my Win 7 box...

Man, I bet the walls in your garden run high...
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Exactly what I was going to say in my last post: keep going on about other company's small sales "wooow bla bla"... yet on their macs theyre in the reverse situation, small market share, less support for apps etc yet in that case thats a positive and "I can afford better". Its a joke
 
John Dillinger said:
Exactly what I was going to say in my last post: keep going on about other company's small sales "wooow bla bla"... yet on their macs theyre in the reverse situation, small market share, less support for apps etc yet in that case thats a positive and "I can afford better". Its a joke
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What you wanted to say is WRONG. Apple and oranges ;) Computer versus phone? Really? Why iPhone is so successful? It's made by Apple, it's surrounded by iTunes and it works as advertised. And it's a phone introduced in 2007. Mac has "a bit" longer history with it's ups and downs. If you look deep into the history you will find the answer why Mac share is so small and that it's actually a good thing.
 
Povilas said:
What you wanted to say is WRONG. Apple and oranges ;) Computer versus phone? Really? Why iPhone is so successful? It's made by Apple, it's surrounded by iTunes and it works as advertised. And it's a phone introduced in 2007. Mac has "a bit" longer history with it's ups and downs. If you look deep into the history you will find the answer why Mac share is so small and that it's actually a good thing.
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So I read your post and you still have not told me why its a good thing to shout about your sales figures of the iphone, and being a leader in smart phone sales, yet with macs: also made by Apple, also surrounded by iTunes, that also supposedly 'just work', keep schtum about market share :confused:

Apple TV is also made by apple, surrounded by itunes and supposedly works as advertised.

Wouldnt people like all the application support they can get on windows? On many threads you here people complain about a lack of game support for example. And how many device managers nowadays still do not have Mac version software (Not that they are often very good)?

Also I think judging by the complaints about dropped calls and reception (by ATT/carrier's fault or not) and the numerous bug fixes for iphone since 2007, that a few people would argue with the iphone "works as advertised".
 
cmaier said:
If you doubt my explanation for why apple waited so long, what's your explanation?
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I don't know why Apple took so long, and i don't think there is a good reason. Regardless of why, the problem is that they did take this long, and as a result everyone made fun of the iPhone when there was no real reason this should've happened.
 
In any case, it looks like Google waited for Apple to use their tap-hold or "long press" feature first (a feature first publicly shown during the iPad's keynote application when mass moving certain slides) before releasing their version of pinch-zoom on Android.

It seems like Google is letting Apple get ahead of them... in small things such as these.

In any case, I don't think gestures can be "patented"... If that's the case, then is it reasonable to allow the person who developed the simple "tap" to receive all royalty benefits?

EDIT: Hmmm... I just remembered that I guess "long press" was first introduced on the iPhone OS as a way of moving applications around (the nifty "jiggle" feature or whatnot)... I just don't recall Apple really using that implementation for doing anything else of particular value until the iPad's introduction...
 
kyungjin said:
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EDIT: Hmmm... I just remembered that I guess "long press" was first introduced on the iPhone OS as a way of moving applications around (the nifty "jiggle" feature or whatnot)... I just don't recall Apple really using that implementation for doing anything else of particular value until the iPad's introduction...
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Long press also brings up the magnifying glass which was on the original iphone OS... Also is used to open web pages in a new "window", save images in safari, and was expanded to allow copying...
 
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