Google Play Downloads Passed App Store Downloads For the First Time in Q2

[Yojimbo007]

Google joining samsung in misinformation and lowlifeness
Desperate.
Two days ago they reported misleading information about nexus tablets taking lead in Japan... Which was proved to be a blatant lie!!
Now this.
State of media and reporting has never been worse.
No credibility no accountability.
Pay someone and they will print what bs u like !
Shame

 

[viacavour]

Google joining samsung in misinformation and lowlifeness
Desperate.
Two days ago they reported misleading information about nexus tablets taking lead in Japan... Which was proved to be a blatant lie!!
Now this.
State of media and reporting has never been worse.
No credibility no accountability.
Pay someone and they will print what bs u like !
Shame

I am afraid it's more than that.

Piracy, malware are rampant.

Press has been bought up by companies like Samsung. They pay lotsa advertising money, so the press don't want to offend them. e.g., The benchmark cheating is being called "performance optimization" by some.

The press has a broken business model, which is being exploited by large companies.

And there are those lobbyists paid by these same companies to further their financial goals, or protect their interests.

Plus astroturfing again, paid by these companies. They will say they are not involved but it's because their agencies are handling it on their behalf.

Wake up, consumers.

 

[dragje]

It is a circus there.

Maybe so, but it's even less complicated then that, Apple bragged about it's marketshare in passed pile conferences, not any longer. It's a rhetorical question when one asking why this is so.

Apple is loosing ground on all basis, only in the US they are still stronger then most of it's competitors but even that will end, mark my words for it.

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Google joining samsung in misinformation and lowlifeness
Desperate.
Two days ago they reported misleading information about nexus tablets taking lead in Japan... Which was proved to be a blatant lie!!
Now this.
State of media and reporting has never been worse.
No credibility no accountability.
Pay someone and they will print what bs u like !
Shame

I know, it hurts doesn't it? Don't worry, even when Apple is not longer market leader, they remain big for at least quite some time.

Oh and about accountability...

http://www.strategyanalytics.com/default.aspx?mod=pressreleaseviewer&a0=5403

 

[viacavour]

Maybe so, but it's even less complicated then that, Apple bragged about it's marketshare in passed pile conferences, not any longer. It's a rhetorical question when one asking why this is so.

Apple is loosing ground on all basis, only in the US they are still stronger then most of it's competitors but even that will end, mark my words for it.

It is not a rhetoric question but a fundamental one.

Marketshare is important but it can be changed quickly if you don't care about fundamentals.

Apple is losing ground in playing this game but it doesn't necessarily mean they are doing it wrong. They will have to enter the low end market with a great product.

They may have to introduce a slightly bigger phone. From what I can see and hear during my Asia trip, people are thinking to switch back after trying Android. It cuts both ways.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Maybe so, but it's even less complicated then that, Apple bragged about it's marketshare in passed pile conferences, not any longer. It's a rhetorical question when one asking why this is so.

Apple is loosing ground on all basis, only in the US they are still stronger then most of it's competitors but even that will end, mark my words for it.

Apple doesn't need to be the #1 at anything to be considered successful.

 

[dragje]

Apple doesn't need to be the #1 at anything to be considered successful.

I agree, but tell that to Apple

 

[viacavour]

Apple doesn't need to be the #1 at anything to be considered successful.

Yes but I think I understand what dragje is saying.

Apple needs to execute among this circus crowd nonetheless.

 

[Michael Scrip]

I agree, but tell that to Apple

Apple is doing very well despite not holding the #1 spot.

Samsung sells more phones than Apple... and Android has more market share on phones and tablets than iOS.

Apple is #2 in both those cases.

So who is #3? Aren't they in worse trouble than Apple?

 

[iChrist]

Not surprising. There has been a huge exodus to android over the last few years. An increasing user-base attracts more devs, thus more apps.

Even amongst developers there has been a large move to Android. Apple does nothing to promote iOS exclusive apps, it only promotes free cross-platform games. Google already has a fairly nice solution mapped out for fragmentation, once that is implemented... well, many more apps will be Android native and sloppily ported to iOS.

 

[dragje]

It is not a rhetoric question but a fundamental one.

Marketshare is important but it can be changed quickly if you don't care about fundamentals.

Yups, the iPod proofed that for sure. Now other companies has come alongside with good products as well, in some cases even better and in many cases much cheaper. Apple had a head start with it's iPod, then iPhone followed with it's iPad. Now it's no longer new and other companies come up with good products as well. Unless you're an Apple fanboy of course, one can't change dogmatic views where a brand in the eyes of -any- fanboy can't be beaten no matter what.

I see more and more friends using other smartphones and I have to admit, other smartphones aren't bad at all when looking at the hardware and possibilities. I can only speak for myself, I like iOS so much better that I don't with for anything else. I also love even more OSX software and can't wait to get my hands on the new Mac Pro, but I'm not blinded by blind adoration. I love PC's as well, working on those as well but I simply like working on OSX better. It's just a matter of taste. The none discussion, because it's a none discussion, weather Samsung is better or worse then Apple is for me nothing more then a discussion about "taste".

Apple is losing ground in playing this game but it doesn't necessarily mean they are doing it wrong.

I agree.

They will have to enter the low end market with a great product.

But that's what other companies doing all along.

They may have to introduce a slightly bigger phone. From what I can see and hear during my Asia trip, people are thinking to switch back after trying Android. It cuts both ways.

Time will tell

 

[springsup]

One thing Apple could do is improve the AppStore search UI on the iPhone. I've heard from lots of other developers that say their downloads dropped after that point and struggled to regain momentum.

 

[dragje]

Yes but I think I understand what dragje is saying.

Apple needs to execute among this circus crowd nonetheless.

Indeed!

I think, if the rumors are correct of course, that Apple will do this as well. I think it's a good thing that Apple will come up with plastic iPhones and such lower end but still great devices so to speak.

 

[viacavour]

But that's what other companies doing all along.

No. Not the low end ones. You have to use them for real and you will realize that beyond the marketing, they are just okay. Not an iPhone.

The bigger (but not too big) screen size is the most cited reasons for getting an Android. Free content is the second reason.

 

[wast3gat3]

Proves that more losers play Candy Crush Saga on a droid device than on iOS.

Good to know

 

[crackbookpro]

Subsidization culture of cheet android and samsung products & software. They have the momemtum totally in emerging and most international markets all because of the subsziding culture they lead for the market to adopt to android.

The polycarbonate iPhone will take 2-3yrs to do damage to androids international momentum. I hope Apple gives these polys out!!

 

[Taz Mangus]

on pad's Android has 67% market share and climbing and Apple with it's iOSX 28,3 %...

http://www.strategyanalytics.com/default.aspx?mod=pressreleaseviewer&a0=5403

Seems that those numbers can't be trusted either: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...ions-of-android-tablets-rewrites-ipad-history

 

[Oletros]

Subsidization culture of cheet android and samsung products & software. They have the momemtum totally in emerging and most international markets all because of the subsziding culture they lead for the market to adopt to android.

The polycarbonate iPhone will take 2-3yrs to do damage to androids international momentum. I hope Apple gives these polys out!!

What subsidizing? You know that must of those "emerging and international" markets have no contract smartphones, don't you?

You know that the biggest market where there are a high subsidy is USA, don't you?

 

[dragje]

No. Not the low end ones. You have to use them for real and you will realize that beyond the marketing, they are just okay. Not an iPhone.

Sorry, but this is just not objective and besides that just fan-talk. Alltough I prefer Apple, using iPhone 5 myself, I also realise that those cheaper other products might be cheaper but not necessary worse then an iPhone. In fact I know lots of people who bought a cheaper martphone after using Apple's iPhone before. The very fact tat more and more people start using other smartphones isn't only about money, many prefer an other smartphone above that of Apple.

The bigger (but not too big) screen size is the most cited reasons for getting an Android. Free content is the second reason.

That's just you opinnion. I think more factors play a role, Apple's iPhone isn't that "cool" any longe and not jus because of it's screen size. Many consumers, especially the young generation, are copy cats. When many classmates using a Samsung then others want Samsung as well. In marketing it's not even really bout if you're better....it's more about what the masses find better. IPhonex had a huge head start, but simply not ny more.

 

[69650]

iOS users are more willing to pay for content

I don't think it's that simple. iTunes has a lot more content available to buy than Google Play. It could simply be the case that Android users would buy more content if there was more content available to buy.

 

[dragje]

Seems that those numbers can't be trusted either: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...ions-of-android-tablets-rewrites-ipad-history

Because?

 

[Dmunjal]

They say the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Android's draw in Asia is not their software. No one give a damn about Android software other than Maps. It's the content.

They can get free content. They are not interested to pay. It's like the old Internet days. Instead of free content websites, it's preloaded Android apps + free media on cheap devices.

Because many of these free, preloaded content apps are malware, the users already are infected without knowing.

You really believe this? Yes, there is malware, just like there is on Windows but to say that it is prevalent and infecting millions and millions of unknowing people is wildly inaccurate.

Like Windows in the 90s, Android is a train that has left the station and nothing is going to stop it. At least from a market share perspective.

History repeats and Android will end up with 80% market share when the dust settles while iOS will get 10-15% with 5-10% between the others.

 

[Nanasaki]

I watch various companies that produce their own app on TV from time to time and notice that a lot of them list iOS, but no other platform. HGTV, CNBC, as well as various mfg of products like Meridian, Mackie, Yamaha, Roland, Alesis (others) in the music/audio industry all seem to support iOS, but not Windows RT or Android. I think that the Google Android platform is really meant for kids customizing the GUI, playing games, and other non-essential non-business related applications. What surprises me is if the Android market is so big, one would think that their app downloads would show the same or similar difference in downloads but it doesn't. I have yet to see an app that is a "must have" that isn't available on iOS that's only available on Android.

In terms of quality of development? Here's what I think is the difference. An individual is generally not going to develop a high quality app vs a REAL company due to the lack of resources. Every once in a while an individual might develop a great app on their own, but it's not as likely. The other problem developing for the Android platform are the different screen sizes and resolutions and lack of standardization of what processors they are using.

Apple has only a few models to choose from and they only release so many different models each year, so it's a LOT easier to test the apps on all of the different iDevices than the different Android devices to take advantage.

I think that once iOS 7 comes out, we'll see a LOT of new apps come out and a whole new set of circumstances.

I'm wondering how things are going to work out with the transition from 32 Bit to 64 Bit apps is going to happen. Apple has already done that transition with OS X and they did it so seamlessly compared to Microsoft, i wonder how Google going to deal with that, if they are going to have problems migrating.

To me, the turn off for Android is that it just seems to be a dysfunctional method of a platform and it just seems like a shotgun approach rather than having focus and vision. I still won't take the platform seriously since I can't walk into a store and see every single product sold have the latest OS on it.

What's funny is the S4 phone is the latest, just released product and it's now running an outdated OS since 4.3 just got announced a couple of days ago. Last year's S3 is supposed to start getting 4.2.2 which was released back in Feb.

I'm surprised people even want a platform so dysfunctional as that, but I guess people ignore the fact that these are computers, and best practices would suggest only selling hardware that runs the latest OS, and make sure you products always get that latest OS until the hardware can't support it. I would be embarrassed to work for a company that sold Android devices and the product didn't run the latest OS. SHEAR embarrassment. So, right off the bat. I won't take the Android platform seriously.

WOW...what a long post.

Android OEMs don't offer cut down version of iOS for old devices. So you are going to see phones don't get updated even it is one year old. So you won't see something like: iPad 2 without almost none new features (Siri, AirDrop, photo filters) or iPhone 3GS with nothing... Yes, you might see Apple supporting old devices and new version of iOS gets 90%+ updated rate, but that is just artificial.

Also, people simply don't care if they have new version of OS... I know tone of people still stay in iOS 4 on their iPhone or iOS 3 on their iPad 1 and such...

Rooting and flash ROM is getting so easy by now, so people can easily flash latest version if android if hey choose to.

 

[Dmunjal]

Google don't care about other companies or Android's future. They just want marketshare to boost their numbers.

As a result, they lose control of the distribution. Or rather they never cared anyway. If you visit Asia, you can see assorted Android devices sold in small mom-n-pop stores, shady ones and big, branded ones. The marketshare numbers are sold-to numbers (to these stores), not actual consumer numbers.

Marketshare numbers also do not factor in returns, so-called stock balancing. Every month or quarter, the vendors may have to take back unsold inventory and xchange for new models. These returns are not accounted for. And the new models will be counted as sales even though they replace old, unsold models to the stores. There are a truckload of new models by many different vendors. This is how they count/boost the numbers.

It's all about the sales/ship numbers to the stores in these so called growth markets. Tracking is bad or non-existent in these parts of the world.

So as long as you don't care about fundamentals, you can boost so-called sales quickly.

You can only do this in the short-term, you can't do it quarter after quarter, year after year.

Also, to your point about Google not caring about hardware manufacturers, you're right. They just want market share. No different than Microsoft which allowed any mom-and-pop to sell PCs. It's just that Google makes money from ads while Microsoft made money from licenses. Either way, Apple loses market share over time.

 

[PracticalMac]

Is it possible the revenue is skewed because smartphone demographics?

A app that sells for 0.99 Rupee or Peso is a lot less in US$
Conversely if the price was adjusted to equivalent to $0.99 then it will be unaffordable to the population.

Income from App for global measurements would not be that accurate, though it sounds great for developers.

 

[Dmunjal]

Yes. Marketshare is perception but it doesn't turn to profit automagically. They have to resort to accounting and underhanded marketing tactics to fake it first.

Marketshare is just sold-to-stores numbers. Those can be over-shipped, taken back quickly. This is why companies are losing money making Android hardware.

Samsung makes money because it also supply parts to these companies. They just need to package their numbers "properly".

Samsung's mobile division (not the parts suppliers) is growing faster than Apple's mobile division and VERY profitable. The others (HTC, Motorola, etc.), not so much!

If you think it's all a conspiracy, you're going to very disappointed in a few years when Android will become the next Windows.

I don't say it like its a good thing. Windows sucks compared to MacOS, but that I'm not going to deny the truth either like I see people doing on this thread.

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Apple doesn't need to be the #1 at anything to be considered successful.

Agreed. I think the mistake that Apple made when fighting Microsoft was trying to copy HP, Compaq, and Dell in making a myriad of cheap PCs. They should have stayed at the high-end and focus on profitability and not market share.

Let's see if Cook makes the same mistake as Sculley did. I would rather Apple not make a cheap iPhone and focus on margins on all of their products, even the low-cost ones.