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AFAIK, my alarm system communicates via LTE (and Ethernet) with the central office, but certain implementations of it will send out SMS for alarm alerts.
Exactly. Older ones usually use SMS/calls exclusively and newer ones usually use LTE/Ethernet (data) and SMS/calls as a backup.
 
Nothing better than staying at the inferior technology by choice.

But I got you, I've disabled iMessage too, because why use it - SMS is way more cool. The way it sounds S M S /ˌes.emˈes/. Can't beat it!
I have no issues with sms. But I mainly only talk to iPhone ppl. I like knowing if the person I’m talking to has iPhone.

Any ppl I know who use lagdroid, we talk on other apps.
 
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I have no issues with sms. But I mainly only talk to iPhone ppl. I like knowing if the person I’m talking to has android.

Any ppl I know who use lagdroid, we talk on other apps.
Well I would expect Apple to still differentiate between iMessage and RCS protocol. So I believe (and hope) it's not needed to disable RCS in order to know whether the message went via iMessage or RCS.

Also this Android shaming is kind of childish. We're mature, why disparage someone for his operating system choice? Or for any choice in that matter.
 
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This is EXACTLY the problem.

Not a single one of those options is a universal cross platform option. RCS is a big deal, since it negates the need for all of those apps (although WhatsApp and WeChat will stick around a very long time).
WhatsApp and FB Messenger are cross platform? And at least FB Messenger is universal as you can launch it via any web browser? (and you can kind of do that too via WhatsApp Web access)
 
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Also this Android shaming is kind of childish. We're mature, why disparage someone for his operating system choice? Or for any choice in that matter.
I’m not shaming. People can use whatever they want.

I simply like to know if I’m talking to an iPhone user.

I also strongly dislike these attempts to make iOS similar or relatable to lagdroid.

Hopefully iMessage stays on iPhone and iPad only and I’m turning off RCS immediately
 
This is EXACTLY the problem.

Not a single one of those options is a universal cross platform option. RCS is a big deal, since it negates the need for all of those apps (although WhatsApp and WeChat will stick around a very long time).
It’s not a problem. They are cross platform.

Tbh ppl I use these apps with won’t change because of RCS.

This is why Every other country uses apps and not RCS. The only ppl who care are American android users mainly.
 
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But I got you, I've disabled iMessage too, because why use it - SMS is way more cool. The way it sounds S M S /ˌes.emˈes/. Can't beat it!
Heh. Actually, when iMessage first came out, it was buggy and unreliable, at least in my limited experience at the time. So I turned it off and left it off to give iMessage more time to mature. Now I use iMessage with SMS fall back exclusively. No other messaging apps at all.

iMessage with RCS fall back will be a nice step up, not just for myself with my new iPhone 16 Pro Max in October, but also presumably with my daughter's iPhone XR running iOS 17.5 / 18.0.


WhatsApp and FB Messenger are cross platform? And at least FB Messenger is universal as you can launch it via any web browser? (and you can kind of do that too via WhatsApp Web access)
This was discussed already, but apparently I didn't explain myself well enough. The point I was trying to make is that RCS is both cross platform and universal by default - it won't require any third party apps.

I guess web access could loosely fit that definition, sort of, but who wants to use a web browser on an iPhone for instant messaging? That would be so clunky.


Well I would expect Apple to still differentiate between iMessage and RCS protocol. So I believe (and hope) it's not needed to disable RCS in order to know whether the message went via iMessage or RCS.
I think RCS should be a third colour really, as the functional difference to SMS is too big.
I would hope RCS would be a third colour, but most people seem to think that RCS will be green like SMS is now. I think Apple even confirmed that, but I'm not sure.
 
You do not need a central party to manage the certs. For end to end you don’t need it at all. There are a lot of very open source standards for encryption end to end. Standards ssl protocols can work here.

Self signed certs in this case would be fine and honestly not even certs are needed. Just a way to pass the keys between each other which again ssl protocols could work just fine. SSL is a lot of what https uses.

End to end is not super complicated and fairly easy. Now having a standard everyone agrees on how to move the keys between the parties that is a different story. Encryption part it self not complicated

What's the point of ssl encryption without trust? or do you want to when you message someone for the first time have to accept the key. If someone has a different key and says they got a new phone, do you want to just have to trust them? This is why e-commerce sites don't use self signed certs.
 
RCS should just straight up replace iMessage. It’s the same damn thing but universal. Just find a way to continue to save these now just “Messages” into iCloud.

So now we’ll have still 2 separate types of conversations in our messages app.

I guess it’s better than nothing; and Apple doesn’t want to remove the stickers, games, emojis on messages and etc. should have just allowed iMessage to be cross platform. That was the better solution, likely could have been a solution for the world, as the need for other messaging apps may have not been needed there between android and iPhone.
iMessages does more than the RCS protocol. Google messages does more than the RCS protocol. Google likes to pretend all their features are RCS but they aren't. So it's reasonable that you'd be confused about what is and isn't part of the RCS protocol.
 
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Android is laggy. How is that shaming anyone who uses it? It’s a terrible OS and it’s unfortunate it is the only other alternative (and iOS is being bastardize to work like it) but idc ppl want to use it
That's not true and objective. But whatever you say.

Actually I've recently switched back to the iOS and I'm surprised how slow iOS is. You can't perform any action until the animation ends (i.e. you can't swipe or tap back in the settings app until the menu animation ends). Typing on the keyboard was lagging (seems to be fixed with recent iOS update). Can't run any application in the background - when syncing photos to my local NAS I have to keep running the app in the foreground. Can't download offline maps while having the app in the background and so on.

I'm not saying iOS is bad OS by any means (I would not use it if that was the case), but saying Android is laggy and "terrible OS" is nothing far from the truth and it's just saying you have no real experience with recent Android phones - and I'm not talking about budget 299 USD phones, but Android phones in the same price level as iPhones 15.
 
All true, almost. I have seen where Apple said they will be using the standard (that’s why E2EE) but I have yet to see where Apple says the will allow full RCS functionality in iOS Messages. Even the 2025 Chinese law requiring RCS support states “support”. If you have something that says that full standard functionality will be included kindly let me know. All I have found to date is opinion. 👍
My dude, RCS was a standard before google added it to their messaging. That standard DOES NOT have E2EE. Google brands their messaging as RCS, but they have proprietary extensions that go far beyond the standard. Google's E2EE encryption depends on google for key management. IT's not a standard.
 
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Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
My response was to someone who claimed it was "the same damn thing". My iPad, Apple Watch, and Macs should not be relying on my iPhone to be on and connected for my messaging app to work. I don't consider that good, I consider that a functional alternative to good...until I need to do something when my phone is dead.
 
I mean both. The commenter said ban the SMS. That would make all the devices I mentioned unusable.

GSM will be banned eventually of course (but it is not yet). Still you can send SMS via LTE. So banning the SMS would kill quite a lot of devices - even those with LTE modems, but still using SMS for communication. And SMS for the communication is the cheapest way if you need just few messages per month. Definitely cheaper than paying for the data plan. And there's no way all these devices would get RCS upgrade.
I get it, but the phone manufacturers could be the ones banning SMS and the providers can leave it on as an alternative.
 
This social status thing is a stupid phenomenon, but The Verge and WSJ didn't create it.
No but they push it the most, with the Verge claiming iPhone users judge people whose text messages show up as green. And that people are left out, ghosted and shamed because they’re a green bubble. If you didn’t know better and all you read was the Verge you’d think Apple intentionally made icky green bubbles just for people who use Android phones as a way of making them feel inferior.



 
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I get it, but the phone manufacturers could be the ones banning SMS and the providers can leave it on as an alternative.
That sort of makes sense. But what about bad signal scenarios? I mean the remote places where your internet is basically non-working and all you get is just the basic calls and SMS? It should be there as a backup in my opinion. And also what about older phones without RCS support? Should we just cut them off? I mean I get it, the future is clear, but still I'm not sure about about forceful SMS ban.
 
That's not true and objective. But whatever you say.

Actually I've recently switched back to the iOS and I'm surprised how slow iOS is. You can't perform any action until the animation ends (i.e. you can't swipe or tap back in the settings app until the menu animation ends). Typing on the keyboard was lagging (seems to be fixed with recent iOS update). Can't run any application in the background - when syncing photos to my local NAS I have to keep running the app in the foreground. Can't download offline maps while having the app in the background and so on.

I'm not saying iOS is bad OS by any means (I would not use it if that was the case), but saying Android is laggy and "terrible OS" is nothing far from the truth and it's just saying you have no real experience with recent Android phones - and I'm not talking about budget 299 USD phones, but Android phones in the same price level as iPhones 15.
In settings, turn on Reduce Motion, that will remove the animations. Otherwise, I'm not getting in the middle of these pointless platform arguments.
 
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