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Google Sets Its Sights on Apple

All of this hoopla about google vs. apple is good entertainment. that's it.

It's a simple question really: How many of you would spend your hard earned (or free money obtained from that money tree in the backyard) to purchase a google branded device or an apple device?

It's just like the real lame console wars: Wii, Xbox360, or PS3. If you have money, buy all three and can enjoy the benefits of all three. But cellphones are not like game machines because they don't get updated every month like some phones (cough google).

The ones that make the most money and laughing at you clowns who are bitching back and forth about google loves me, or apple does me right will be the telecommunications companies.

Just calculate your costs here:

$49.99 single line plan (cheapest for AT&T) +
$30.00 iPhone data plan +
$20.00 iPhone text plan (optional)

You're looking at near $120 a month. that's BEFORE your state, local/city taxes kick in (and believe me they are screwing you harder than anyone else).

Without tax, you have $120 x 24 months = $2880 + $199/$299 (for an iPhone).

That's over $3000 for AT&T and that's only for one individual for two years guaranteed for AT&T.

If you look at verizon, sprint, and tmobile, they will be about the same but maybe a bit less.

In the end, if you want to say F U to both apple and google, just don't buy a smartphone. Don't use a phone period. But that's not realistic I suppose.

I really don't care who makes the best phone; I just want the f-ckung monthly service charges to GO DOWN and NOT INCREASE...EVER.

I really don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to scratch my head thinking why the hell does owning a cell phone costs $1400/year?????

/rant
 
wschutz said:
Sorry Steve... you cannot fight Google :) Try to come up with decent prices and you might not fail, otehrwise... good luck...
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Uhm... The iPad came in at half what speculators were saying it would be. Apple produces it for half of that. Apple crushed the competition with that low price. Other companies killed their tablet products because they can't compete with Apple's iPad.
 
pubwvj said:
Google has lost their way.
Their soul is bogged in mud.
They are doing evil. Witness the Wi-Fi data gathering.
Google with their drive-by shootings is Big Brother watching.
They need to refocus on their center, their core.
Google was very good at search engines and ads.
Focus. See clearly.
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Wow. It's like a religious cult. Do you have a shrine as well?
 
Does anyone think Apple and Microsoft will be "joining forces" in the near future to take on Google?
 
LaMerVipere said:
I'm a huge Apple nut (natch) and have been a loyal iPhone user for 3 years but what Google is showing with Android is clicking with me. A lot of it just kind of makes sense. Stuff I've been thinking about for a long time now. I just finished watching their Android demo keynote from I/O and I encourage everyone else to do the same. Their Android Intent API stuff is what I've been dreaming of for a while and really severs the physical connection between computer and mobile. Send directions to your phone with one click of your computer's browser. Send an app the same way. Heck, make your entire iTunes library available for streaming! Kind of eliminates the need for a 64GB device.

And all that just kind of scratches the surface.

I really want Apple to think about how people use their devices in different ways. Google kind of ways.

I still plan on getting an iPhone 4G/HD/whatever when it's launched, but now I can't really brag about having the coolest device on the block when it comes to capabilities and software.

Here's that Android keynote: http://bit.ly/bLEF8t
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do you seriously not know that these google way's of doing things are actually things that were conceptualized and put into research during Eric's tenure on the board? He had all that inside info on apple then and he's rushing it out for google now. there will be a point when the innovations stop and google will run out of the juicy stuff they snagged while on the apple board. then they'll be playing catchup again.
 
I miss the Microsoft vs. Apple battles. That was when Apple still took computers seriously. Now it feels like they've conceded that market to Microsoft. Apple seems to think mobile is the only future.
 
iPadThai said:
All of this hoopla about google vs. apple is good entertainment. that's it.

It's a simple question really: How many of you would spend your hard earned (or free money obtained from that money tree in the backyard) to purchase a google branded device or an apple device?

It's just like the real lame console wars: Wii, Xbox360, or PS3. If you have money, buy all three and can enjoy the benefits of all three. But cellphones are not like game machines because they don't get updated every month like some phones (cough google).

The ones that make the most money and laughing at you clowns who are bitching back and forth about google loves me, or apple does me right will be the telecommunications companies.

Just calculate your costs here:

$49.99 single line plan (cheapest for AT&T) +
$30.00 iPhone data plan +
$20.00 iPhone text plan (optional)

You're looking at near $120 a month. that's BEFORE your state, local/city taxes kick in (and believe me they are screwing you harder than anyone else).

Without tax, you have $120 x 24 months = $2880 + $199/$299 (for an iPhone).

That's over $3000 for AT&T and that's only for one individual for two years guaranteed for AT&T.

If you look at verizon, sprint, and tmobile, they will be about the same but maybe a bit less.

In the end, if you want to say F U to both apple and google, just don't buy a smartphone. Don't use a phone period. But that's not realistic I suppose.

I really don't care who makes the best phone; I just want the f-ckung monthly service charges to GO DOWN and NOT INCREASE...EVER.

I really don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to scratch my head thinking why the hell does owning a cell phone costs $1400/year?????

/rant
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Good point. So, pay full price for an iPhone ($600), jail break it and unlock it while you still can - I believe it still comes locked to ATT if you pay full price, but you do not to have to sign a contract with them. Then get a pre-paid SIM card (either from ATT or T-Mobile), and use only the minutes you must. I think you will save big if all you want is voice.
 
So why doesn't Apple enter the search engine market? Microsoft has. Judging by Google's market capitalization and income it's an extremely lucrative market.

I can't imagine Google continuing to enter all these other markets and outcompeting everyone by giving stuff away for free if they lose a lot of their revenue generated from Google search.

If anyone has the money and ability to set up a massive server farm to take on Google's search engine worldwide, it's Apple.
 
Google for me does not represent anything real. They have got lucky at search and seem to be just randomly trying different ideas and some they win some they loose. It just seems shonky. God help us if apple goes as they have all the real ideas, google seem like a spoilt kid jealous of their good looking. Popular former freind. Google blahhhh.
 
awmazz said:
So why doesn't Apple enter the search engine market? Microsoft has. Judging by Google's market capitalization and income it's an extremely lucrative market.

I can't imagine Google continuing to enter all these other markets and outcompeting everyone by giving stuff away for free if they lose a lot of their revenue generated from Google search.

If anyone has the money and ability to set up a massive server farm to take on Google's search engine worldwide, it's Apple.
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If I had to guess why Apple is not entering the search market it would be because Google has such a huge lead.

Look at Bing/Yahoo. They've been in this business for longer than Google but are inferior. Assuming Apple could do a better job it would still take years. And in those years Apple would be unfavorably compared to Google and thus the Apple brand would take a beating. Steve does not want that.
 
awmazz said:
So why doesn't Apple enter the search engine market? Microsoft has. Judging by Google's market capitalization and income it's an extremely lucrative market.

I can't imagine Google continuing to enter all these other markets and outcompeting everyone by giving stuff away for free if they lose a lot of their revenue generated from Google search.

If anyone has the money and ability to set up a massive server farm to take on Google's search engine worldwide, it's Apple.
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Because Google are about the only people good enough to make money out of search and the engineering skills to do search well lie a long way from Apple's core competencies. Apple generally aren't a "me too" company in fields that are unfamiliar to them.

MS have chucked plenty of resources that way and made little progress.

Real threats to Google come from the likes of Facebook, who are changing the shape of the network (internet) itself from content to user centric ... which makes me find all the tin-foil hat wearers ranting about Google and personal data risks and privacy all the more laughable. Maybe someone will come along and selectively quote Schmidt in a few minutes...
 
AlmostThere said:
Because Google are about the only people good enough to make money out of search and the engineering skills to do search well lie a long way from Apple's core competencies. Apple generally aren't a "me too" company in fields that are unfamiliar to them.

MS have chucked plenty of resources that way and made little progress.

Real threats to Google come from the likes of Facebook, who are changing the shape of the network (internet) itself from content to user centric ... which makes me find all the tin-foil hat wearers ranting about Google and personal data risks and privacy all the more laughable. Maybe someone will come along and selectively quote Schmidt in a few minutes...
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"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."

There. Now there's no more suspense.
 
needthephone said:
Google for me does not represent anything real.
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I sympathise to a certain extent, Google's value is not always obvious. What Google do is connect questions with answers and they do this really well. Their advertising is fundamentally a matching process between someone looking for a product and someone selling a product, like a dating site but with "stuff" :)

Google (principally*) provide the index - organising the world's information, as they would say. There is no shortage of information, the challenge people face is in finding the *right* information.

Example - if you wanted some music to list to 200 years ago, you would have had to commission a composer and find a musician to play it. 100 years ago you might be able to get access to a gramophone (phonograph), 50 years ago home record players and stores were fairly common, 10 years ago supermarkets and online stores were selling discount CDs, today anyone can put almost any music on the internet.

There is simply more music now than anyone could possibly ever listen to. The same is true for books, websites, shops, places in the world, more information than anyone can reasonably evaluate. Google provide a means of managing that overload. The limitation is not in finding something to read / watch / listen to but in selecting the one of the millions of alternative that is right for you.

*I say principally, because information retrieval is not just a matching process but that goes hand-in-hand with information accessibility, ease of exploration and suggestion or recommendation.
 
Wait wait wait.... Google is ragging on Apple for being "The Man?" Oh... the irony

Lets see... Apple is taking unbelievable amounts of heat for not providing an "open" device.... which they created and fully own.
And Google is behaving very much like Big Brother... going far into the bounds of other people's property and privacy...

Now who is "The Man?" again?
 
Google's got an Apple addiction

Say what you will about Apple, but they've got a focus that allows them to execute a new idea better than nearly any other company. Watching the Google keynotes, it seemed everything they did was a reaction to Apple. Just because you paste "open" on top of all you do, doesn't make it any different than what Microsoft has been accused of doing, and that's shadowing Apple.

Maybe it's because Microsoft has lost its roar that Google is no longer targeting Redmond. But it would be better if Google could set a vision for its products and users, rather than scattering nifty technologies in a million different directions and using Apple as its main punching bag.

Seriously, what has Apple done to Google to deserve being treated like the evil empire?
 
ValSalva said:
"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."

There. Now there's no more suspense.
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"If you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines -- including Google -- do retain this information for some time and it's important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act and it is possible that all that information could be made available to the authorities."

CEO in honest "the internet is not the anonymous place you think it is" shocker. When will this awful man stop trying to tell people the truth :eek: :p

... I think I even saw someone upthread saying they were convincing friends to move from Google to Yahoo :facepalm:
 
Darkroom said:
did apple celebrate Pac-Man turning 30 on their front page? no. that's yet another reason why google is way more awesome than apple.

... also, you can actually play that google pac man logo! (just wait for it to load)
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I have to admit that was a really good idea. It brought back some great memories of going into that dark arcade hearing the confusing sounds of many machines at once. Dropping hard earned quarters just trying to get a bit further along. Great times. :D
 
ValSalva said:
I miss the Microsoft vs. Apple battles. That was when Apple still took computers seriously. Now it feels like they've conceded that market to Microsoft. Apple seems to think mobile is the only future.
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Yeah, Macs are selling in record numbers for the past dozen or so quarters but Apple has conceded the market. :rolleyes:
 
Stupid Google

Google needs to stop going against Apple, Google and Apple were great friends till Apple sued HTC, and now it seems like there being friends with Microsoft
 
Wake up people. You need to do your part and crush Google, aka The Evil Empire. I've worked up a list of things you can say to counter the Android FUD. Start today, please. Pretty please. With sugar on top.


* Why do you hate Apple so much? You seem really defensive, and angry. You seem to be taking this all so personally. You need to let go of your ego. Everything is not all about you.

* Apps. There are way more apps on iPhone OS. This will never change. Whatever the world looks like right now, that’s how it will be forever. Android will never catch up.

* Power users versus regular folks. Fair enough, you’re a super techie and can handle Android. Apple is designed for regular people who don’t want to worry about technology. By adopting Android, and helping Google succeed, you are hurting the regular folks who want to use Apple. Somehow.

* Vaporware. Android 2.2, aka Froyo, does not even exist yet. Unlike iPhone OS 4.0, which has already been demonstrated in public.

* Multitasking. You don’t need it. It’s a total red herring. When was the last time you did more than one thing on a phone? Also: Apple will have multitasking soon, so the point is moot.

* Music. You realize that playing music is one of the most important things a phone must be able to do, right? Well, Apple invented this thing called iTunes. Have you heard of it?

* Fragmentation. I’m trying to remember, how many versions of Android are there? Like sixty? And each one has a different user interface, and they’re always updating and changing and you have to go look up to see if your phone will run the new OS and it’s just so confusing and you’ll be tearing your hair out. With Apple, just one system. Simple. Ahhh.

* Google is big and evil and wants to steal all your personal information. Apple is all about freedom. And magical, childlike wonder.

* Flash. Apple won’t support it, Google will. Guess what? Flash drains your battery, and makes your phone so hot that it will set your hands on fire. So, yeah. You’re welcome.

* Porn. Did you know that Android was created by Google to help porn merchants sell dirty filthy porn on mobile phones so that porn-loving perverts could look at their smutty porn 24 hours a day and probably molest your kids?

* AT&T actually much better than Verizon. Faster 3G. Talk and surf Web at same time. As for dropped calls, all I can tell you is it has never happened to me or anyone I know, and the media has blown that issue way out of proportion.

* Browser. Forget the benchmarks that Google provides and just trust your own eyes. Safari is the fastest browser in the market. It’s 5-10x faster than any other browser.

* Ads. Ours are made by Apple. Theirs are not. Enough said.

* Spyware. You won’t get it on Apple. Android is crawling with it. Also, viruses. You’ll get viruses just by turning on your phone. If you’re on your home network, the virus could jump from your phone to every device on your network, even your WiFi router, and you will never get it out. The virus will spy on you and take pictures of you as you’re working and post those pictures on Facebook along with your credit card numbers, Social Security numbers, and a list of everything you’ve ever bought online. So, good luck with that.

For the humor impaired.
 
LaMerVipere said:
I'm a huge Apple nut (natch) and have been a loyal iPhone user for 3 years but what Google is showing with Android is clicking with me. A lot of it just kind of makes sense. Stuff I've been thinking about for a long time now. I just finished watching their Android demo keynote from I/O and I encourage everyone else to do the same. Their Android Intent API stuff is what I've been dreaming of for a while and really severs the physical connection between computer and mobile. Send directions to your phone with one click of your computer's browser. Send an app the same way. Heck, make your entire iTunes library available for streaming! Kind of eliminates the need for a 64GB device.
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You can stream your entire iTunes to your stereo with the iPhone as a control point (I use Remote).

What is the Google (or third-party) product that we must just so have, or dream of..?

I just don't grok your fantasy.
 
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