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Err no. Google could use Motorola to leverage against Apple so Apple would cross license with other Android manufacturers. Remember how Schmidt last month said that Google would make sure HTC doesn't lose to Apple lawsuits? This is how they do it.
Not going to happen -- the only way Google can successfully use the Motorola patents against Apple is if they:

1) Indemnify Android makers/developers against patent law suits and cross license for free the Motorola patents to them.

OR

2) Make Google/Android hardware via their new Motorola department.

Apple didn't cross license anything to Motorola until now -- how will the big bad Google lawyers change anything?
 
Wow, good morning Samsung/HTC/LG/Sony, you're now clone makers! Good luck with that?

(To the extent Samsung wasn't already a clone maker, I suppose...)
 
At the very least, a tacit acknowledgment that, in smartphones, Apple's integrated hardware-software solution is superior to the PC model of a common software platform crossing all hardware providers.

Vertical integration. Google's very own Walled Garden.

Android still "open"?
 
Summary - Patents in the US are dooming innovation like nothing else ever has, the sooner the existing patent system is destroyed the better.

I refute this notion.

Patents in the US are dooming people who wish to make things cheap and profit. For instance, Apple spent A LOT of money and brainpower on R&D with the iPhone. They patented their work assuming that the vast sums and efforts they made would be rewarded via some exclusivity for the features/design they came up with.

Along comes a company like Google that just wants a piece of the action to further ensure their advertising revenue doesn't dry up. They don't innovate - they copy. There's no reason they can't pay license fees to people like Oracle and Apple who invested greatly in time and money to put together the technology Google decided to just copy. No reason except for the fact that doing so would keep them from profitting.

I can't see how patents are stopping innovation - I think that they actually spur it. You aren't going to be able to join in the profit taking unless you first invest in coming up with something new, and if it's good enough other people will pay you to use it. That's just how capitalism works. Apple and other innovators don't have as much incentive to do the heavy lifting if within a year or so everyone else has everything they paid dearly to invent.

As other people pointed out, Apple doesn't seem to have the same fear of patent infringement as Google (even though they are often sued for it). There's a reason for that - and it has to do with innovation.
 
This is huge. Google is pushing hard with android, and this is a smart move for them. Hopefully Apple is up to the challenge. This will be fascinating to watch play out. Your move Apple.
 
Good news for all:

Google/Moto: Better hardware and software integrated handsets
Apple: Better competition will inspire even better products
Consumers: Better products, lower prices.
 
Google just won.

Not quite. It takes a lot of skill to play at vertical integration. Unfortunately, Google's philosophy is *not* about the user experience. This will require adopting Apple-like principles very quickly. That's a tall order. There is currently no one else in the market that can or that has pulled it off successfully.

Anyone approaching the vertical integration game without a distinctly Apple-like philosophy will just end up Zuning it.
 
I refute this notion.

Patents in the US are dooming people who wish to make things cheap and profit. For instance, Apple spent A LOT of money and brainpower on R&D with the iPhone. They patented their work assuming that the vast sums and efforts they made would be rewarded via some exclusivity for the features/design they came up with.

Along comes a company like Google that just wants a piece of the action to further ensure their advertising revenue doesn't dry up. They don't innovate - they copy. There's no reason they can't pay license fees to people like Oracle and Apple who invested greatly in time and money to put together the technology Google decided to just copy. No reason except for the fact that doing so would keep them from profitting.

I can't see how patents are stopping innovation - I think that they actually spur it. You aren't going to be able to join in the profit taking unless you first invest in coming up with something new, and if it's good enough other people will pay you to use it. That's just how capitalism works. Apple and other innovators don't have as much incentive to do the heavy lifting if within a year or so everyone else has everything they paid dearly to invent.

As other people pointed out, Apple doesn't seem to have the same fear of patent infringement as Google (even though they are often sued for it). There's a reason for that - and it has to do with innovation.

Tell that to all the small companies who are being relentlessly copied and ripped-off by the big players - including Apple - and simply do not have the financial means to defend their rights in court.

Your precious patent system only protects the interests of the big money, it doesn't help small companies at all. THAT is how your capitalism works.

They don't innovate - they copy.
That certainly explains why Apple is now copying so many features from the Android platform into their own products...

Apple has always been good a taking other people's stuff and improving it and making it usable for their typically non-technical customer base. However, they're usually never the first on the market with anything. They certainly did not invent the mp3 player or the tablet computer, they also did not invent the graphical user interface - but that never kept them from suing everybody else who produces such products.

Anyway. I neither have Google nor Apple stocks, I just own and use products from both companies on a daily basis. And while I like my Mac, I like my Android phone better than I liked my iPhone and certainly prefer Android over iOS. If you're right and Google copied everything from Apple, then the copy has become better than the original.
 
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I'm sure Google knows what they're doing, you don't get to be a household name and multibillion dollar corporation by being stupid (well, usually).
 
I refute this notion.

Patents in the US are dooming people who wish to make things cheap and profit. For instance, Apple spent A LOT of money and brainpower on R&D with the iPhone. They patented their work assuming that the vast sums and efforts they made would be rewarded via some exclusivity for the features/design they came up with.

Along comes a company like Google that just wants a piece of the action to further ensure their advertising revenue doesn't dry up. They don't innovate - they copy. There's no reason they can't pay license fees to people like Oracle and Apple who invested greatly in time and money to put together the technology Google decided to just copy. No reason except for the fact that doing so would keep them from profitting.

I can't see how patents are stopping innovation - I think that they actually spur it. You aren't going to be able to join in the profit taking unless you first invest in coming up with something new, and if it's good enough other people will pay you to use it. That's just how capitalism works. Apple and other innovators don't have as much incentive to do the heavy lifting if within a year or so everyone else has everything they paid dearly to invent.

As other people pointed out, Apple doesn't seem to have the same fear of patent infringement as Google (even though they are often sued for it). There's a reason for that - and it has to do with innovation.

The problem is, much of today's innovation occurs in small increments. Yet, much of the patents that exist are broadly defined. That is what is slowing innovation. It'll get to the point that you have to license a button location or even the quickness with which a device wakes from sleep.

It's out of control and needs to be reformed. Until then, the only hope for companies is to buy up massive patent portfolios to protect themselves against these types of lawsuits. That's money wasted that could have gone to R&D towards innovation or even towards increasing consumer value.
 
Not quite. It takes a lot of skill to play at vertical integration. Unfortunately, Google's philosophy is *not* about the user experience. This will require adopting Apple-like principles very quickly. That's a tall order. There is currently no one else in the market that can or that has pulled it off successfully.

Anyone approaching the vertical integration game without a distinctly Apple-like philosophy will just end up Zuning it.

Android OEM's will still get access to the software. That much is still true.

Google will now be able to offer a handset from "inhouse" too. If they can play the "vertical intergration" game as well as license out android OS, I think they win. This is somewhere Apple hasnt gone yet, nor has microsoft.

I fell google is trying to start their own "revolution" by playing both sides of the fence. Motorola has been making phones/radios since before SJ was born..they know how to do it, they just need more innovative direction. Enter Google.

They will either have a huge sucess with this new business model or have a huge failure... time will tell.
 
So more than $4B is TOO expensive when working with partners (Google's statement after MS/Apple bought Nortel) but $12B is just fine when buying by yourself?

I think there is potential here for the Gov't to step in (not that I advocate that, just pondering) and put in restrictions (if not out right stop) for the sale. Since Google wouldn't join MS and Apple but the Gov't felt it needed to make changes to the agreement so patents wouldn't be used to sue, they may do the same thing for this deal.

Far from over.
 
Hopefully, people will take stock of the official word from OEM's. Here they are again for those that won't click OllyW's link:

jesus....the girlfriends are now all saying exactly what google told them to say...or else.

every one of the CEO's said the same thing, almost word for word.

lol
 
Call me stupid, but I honestly think this is a bad idea. Google has basically just got married (Motorola), whilst having having loads of other girlfriends (HTC, Samsung, LG, etc.).

Don't you think this acquisition may put other companies off the idea of using Android?

And do what? Use WP7? lol
 
this is great. i'm glad there will be competition, i wouldn't want 1 iphone to rule them all.
 
It's called defense.

It's funny how it's called different things for different companies. Where is the antitrust brigade? The top smartphone OS vendor with a 50% share just bought 17,000 patents for the expressed use of suing their top competitors.

Does Google not acknowledge the hypocrisy of calling out the DOJ to investigate the Apple consortium for buying the Nortel patents while simultaneously purchasing 2x to 3x more patents from a larger market share position?
 
I refute this notion.

Patents in the US are dooming people who wish to make things cheap and profit. For instance, Apple spent A LOT of money and brainpower on R&D with the iPhone. They patented their work assuming that the vast sums and efforts they made would be rewarded via some exclusivity for the features/design they came up with.

Along comes a company like Google that just wants a piece of the action to further ensure their advertising revenue doesn't dry up. They don't innovate - they copy. There's no reason they can't pay license fees to people like Oracle and Apple who invested greatly in time and money to put together the technology Google decided to just copy. No reason except for the fact that doing so would keep them from profitting.

I can't see how patents are stopping innovation - I think that they actually spur it. You aren't going to be able to join in the profit taking unless you first invest in coming up with something new, and if it's good enough other people will pay you to use it. That's just how capitalism works. Apple and other innovators don't have as much incentive to do the heavy lifting if within a year or so everyone else has everything they paid dearly to invent.

As other people pointed out, Apple doesn't seem to have the same fear of patent infringement as Google (even though they are often sued for it). There's a reason for that - and it has to do with innovation.
People keep saying apple invented and innovated !!! What was it ? Google saw Apple trying to corner the market and intercepted. Apple has stolen many patents making the iPhone.
 
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