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At that rate, it's going to be a long time before they can break even on this purchase. (Unless they can find another way to make significant profits for MMI, of course.) :D

Since Google's Android related income is constantly increasing, it wouldn't take but probably five years for that revenue alone to pay for the MMI purchase from it. That's not a very long time, and it's a fraction of Google income.

We also don't know what royalties Google has avoided, and/or will gain, from ownership of Motorola's patents. That could count billions towards the price they paid.

My guess is we'll see some MMI downsizing, though, and cutting back of products to make it profitable again. It's really close as it is, with sales and revenues increasing, and the last operating loss was a fraction of those.

To that extent, I think you would have to admit that "revenue generated by Android users" isn't necessarily the same thing as "pure Android revenue" - for the simple reason that they'd still get a lot of it if Android had never existed.

Hmm. You're claiming that Google would've still made the same amount of mobile revenue from other devices if Android or the Market had never existed?

That's always possible, but they wouldn't have had the same control over the experience... or the search engine.

Bear in mind that when Android was begun, Microsoft was a big mobile honcho, and they wanted to push Bing, and still do. If Google didn't have a compelling OS and apps, they could've lost the mobile search crown.
 


0) Chrome is not in the cloud. ChromeOS is not in the cloud. Google Earth is not (yet) in the cloud... That entire argument is quite strange.

1) The customer for Android is not the "system builder, or integrator". Android is the "system", Android is the "integrator"; (Like stated,) Android is the (multi-sided) platform. That said, the mobile industry is different to the computer industry.

2.1) Sure, Apple can turn off googles services in a whim (ignoring eventual, or likely, contracts, but i doubt they ever will (and if they did, authorities might have something to say about it). Replacing them is hardly worth the while.

2.2) MSFT does not really need googles services (or at least wish they didnt), given MSFT anti-trust history (e.g. the iexplorer debacle) shutting Google out seems highly unlikely. Second, MSFT are clever enough to realize that people use Google products, and that they first-and-foremost have to serve their users (which is why windows phone allows you to link gmail accounts on the same level as live accounts)

2.3) Like earlier stated, googles services are mainly "in the cloud". Unless Apple/MSFT plan on blocking google (and be slammed with a bn dollar fine) Google does not need to ensure that people have access to their services. In this respect they dont need to "do the plumbing", we have a world wide plumbing net already; "Internet is the platform" (Oreilly).

2.4) Its not an innovative business model at all, its called giving away the razors and selling the blades (ok, the analogy fits somewhat akwardly here). Skewed pricing is very common in multi-sided platform settings. Google is still Google. Google is still dealing in information. (btw: Just like Chrome, i am sure that Android is just another way of getting more of this valuable information).

(ill jump past "the cracks")
it has become increasingly difficult to ensure that Google's revenue-generating services are properly "flowing" to the end users.

Say what? First, you dont need to ensure "proper flow" to something people will dig their way to. Second, if Googles services are not on a device it is due to them not licensing these services. Its Open Source, they can do whatever they choose. If people want to use services "the internet is the platform". No biggie.
The smartphone as we know it today is not good enough or mature enough to support Google's initial strategic approach with Android.

Im not sure that he even gets Googles strategic approach (my guess: push users towards google services to get more data; use device to capture even more data).

Instead, with Motorola, Google got a hold of the vehicle through which it can create and sell integrated products.

Effect: OEMs abandoning Android. Result: Less data for Google. Hardly something they want, right?
The company is thus no longer just a plumber but also a house builder and real estate developer.

A problem, not a solution. (STB is a different matter, if they can get into our TVs they can get data on what shows/movies/channels etc. we watch. Good to know for someone in the business of selling Ads).
It can now build showcases that demonstrate the value of its services.
You dont need to own a hardware company to do that. You can just license someone to make the device for you - like they have been doing already.
The challenge then is how it will sell plumbing to contractors while it also competes with them by building houses.

It wont. "Your" whole analysis seems off from start to finish - except for the part covering ANDROID issues (which are not the same as Google issues).

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Since Google's Android related income is constantly increasing, it wouldn't take but probably five years for that revenue alone to pay for the MMI purchase from it. That's not a very long time, and it's a fraction of Google income.

We also don't know what royalties Google has avoided, and/or will gain, from ownership of Motorola's patents. That could count billions towards the price they paid.

My guess is we'll see some MMI downsizing, though, and cutting back of products to make it profitable again. It's really close as it is, with sales and revenues increasing, and the last operating loss was a fraction of those.



Hmm. You're claiming that Google would've still made the same amount of mobile revenue from other devices if Android or the Market had never existed?

That's always possible, but they wouldn't have had the same control over the experience... or the search engine.

Bear in mind that when Android was begun, Microsoft was a big mobile honcho, and they wanted to push Bing, and still do. If Google didn't have a compelling OS and apps, they could've lost the mobile search crown.

At least seen it got dented quite a bit. After all, we dont really care that much what search engine we use (do we?). We use google, cause google is what we use (right?). If we get in to the habit of using bing (and bing works somewhat fine), well stick with it (wont we?). Heck, these days its all crap anyway : -)

Addendum (mostly first post):

Another example of the value of data is shown in the way MSFT has used people using voice-commands on Wp7 to make the voice-functionality better on Kinect. Google employed a similar tactic a few years ago.

From Oreilly:



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by Tim O'Reilly | @timoreilly | +Tim O'Reilly | Comments: 22 | 17 December 2007

That least-understood principle from my original Web 2.0 manifesto, "Data is the Intel Inside," is finally coming out of the closet. A post on the Google Operating System Blog entitled Google is Really About Large Amounts of Data notes that in an interview at the Web 2.0 Summit in October, Marissa Mayer, Google's VP of Search Products and User Experience, "confessed that having access to large amounts of data is in many instances more important than creating great algorithms."

Right now Google is really good with keywords, and that's a limitation we think the search engine should be able to overcome with time. People should be able to ask questions, and we should understand their meaning, or they should be able to talk about things at a conceptual level. We see a lot of concept-based questions -- not about what words will appear on the page but more like "what is this about?" A lot of people will turn to things like the semantic Web as a possible answer to that. But what we're seeing actually is that with a lot of data, you ultimately see things that seem intelligent even though they're done through brute force.

When you type in "GM" into Google, we know it's "General Motors." If you type in "GM foods" we answer with "genetically modified foods." Because we're processing so much data, we have a lot of context around things like acronyms. Suddenly, the search engine seems smart like it achieved that semantic understanding, but it hasn't really.
(Sounds like she's very much in my camp on the Web 2.0 vs. semantic web debate.)

In particular, Marissa admitted that the reason for offering free 411 service was to get phoneme data for speech recognition algorithms. You heard it first on Radar. What's also interesting, though, was her note on why they want better speech recognition algorithms right now: to improve video search. There's an interesting principle here, namely that the obvious applications for a technology (e.g. transcription or speech recognition interfaces) aren't necessarily the ones that will have the biggest impact. This is a great reason why companies like Google are increasing their data collection of all kinds (and their basic research into algorithms for using that data). As the applications become apparent, the data will be valuable in new ways, and the company with the most data wins.
 
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At that rate, it's going to be a long time before they can break even on this purchase. (Unless they can find another way to make significant profits for MMI, of course.) :D

See the last part in the post above. Data is king. (--> 1) keep android going. 2) get data from STBs)

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Quite thoughtful, and I have to agree with you.

I would also add that Google's gambit of flooding the market with Android phones is and was a tactical success for marketshare, but I can not see that it will be the strategic success that justifies the expense that Google and it's OEM's have and will have to absorb.

If anything, Android filled a short term supply imbalance that arguably it can not sustain. Apple is continuing to ramp its supply chain, and current users will continue in the Apple ecosystem at over a 95% rate, something that Android has not and will not be able to match.

Meanwhile, Nokia and MS have not really shown themselves to be players, but considering the churn in the marketplace, and the Windows ecosystem, it would be unlikely that Windows Phone licensees would not be able to obtain a solid third place marketshare, most likely at Androids expense.

My prediction is that Android peaks mid 2012 and begins to see marketshare losses in the First World and the BRIC countries.

Make that first.. down the line :- ). Apple may snag second, but its probably going to be neck and neck with something Android-like, and all depending on how dominant MSFT becomes (Apples share, if they don't change strategy, should be quite static regardless of what other actors do and they keep pushing neat devices - so yes, at Androids expense).

disagree with peak time though, although its tricky as the market will grow so much (and lots of it outside of the current market). Would not be surprised if theyre overtaken by MSFT end of 2013 though (in the "established market")
 
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Since Google's Android related income is constantly increasing, it wouldn't take but probably five years for that revenue alone to pay for the MMI purchase from it. That's not a very long time, and it's a fraction of Google income.

But what percentage of that revenue would be related to the MMI purchase? Android was already increasing market share and revenue. I'm thinking more than a decade before the break even on the MMI deal. Who know if mobile OS's will even still be relevant that far into the future?

We also don't know what royalties Google has avoided, and/or will gain, from ownership of Motorola's patents. That could count billions towards the price they paid.

But we do know that MMI was losing money with those licensing revenues, so the current royalties are a wash.

See the last part in the post above. Data is king. (--> 1) keep android going. 2) get data from STBs)

How do they get data from the STBs when they don't control the UI?
 
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Poor victimized Android!

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My guess as to what will happen in the next few years in the mobile industry

Everyone going to copy Apple's model (vertical integration) with full integration of hardware/software. The parties involved in the future of mobile

Nokia + Microsoft (WP7/WP8)

Android + Motorola

HP + who are they going to align with? WebOS will be licensed out to 3rd parties

Samsung + who are they going to align with, or will they use their existing Bada OS. They did hire CyanogenMod developer, as well. I just can't see Samsung relying on Android for the software 2-3 years from now.

HTC + ? what are they going to do? Half WP Half Android?

I'm just imagining a few years from now, I think Android will be restricted mainly to Motorola devices.

So yeah, I do believe that walled gardens will be popping up, maybe not next year, but within few years this will happen.
 
More and more, I do think copying Apple's "we do hardware and software" model will happen. Then we'll see an interesting competitive market. Because Apple kind of established it that way, it makes sense that similar business markets follow. It's just neat to see such restructuring happening even if current times does add additional challenges to such bold a move. But hey, if you gotta do it, you gotta do it.

I'm keeping popcorn around because the moves forward will be exciting to watch.
 
Motorola phones were always horrible to use IMO - however, their patents would be most welcomed by google.

as mentioned above, google thrives on info, that is their 'thing'. Undoubtedly, google most likely venture into the hardware market, however, will they cut ties with the other android partners? Time will tell!
 
My guess as to what will happen in the next few years in the mobile industry

Everyone going to copy Apple's model (vertical integration) with full integration of hardware/software. The parties involved in the future of mobile

Nokia + Microsoft (WP7/WP8)

Android + Motorola

HP + who are they going to align with? WebOS will be licensed out to 3rd parties

Samsung + who are they going to align with, or will they use their existing Bada OS. They did hire CyanogenMod developer, as well. I just can't see Samsung relying on Android for the software 2-3 years from now.

HTC + ? what are they going to do? Half WP Half Android?

I'm just imagining a few years from now, I think Android will be restricted mainly to Motorola devices.

So yeah, I do believe that walled gardens will be popping up, maybe not next year, but within few years this will happen.

I agree.

I also would not be surprised if HTC, possibly in conjunction with some other current Android OEMs, forked Android to make their own OS to compete with MotoGoog's Android devices. As long as they don't make it too different, Android apps may be able to run on them with minimal work to devs. I believe Google's purchase of Motorola is more than a subtle hint that Google's "compatibility club" doesn't carry the same sort of weight Microsoft use to be able to wield over PC OEMs (and is still trying to today).
 
This smacks of desperation to me. Paying a 60% premium for the worst of the Android manufacturers.

I couldn't agree more. Motorola who? Last time I owned Motorola anything cellphones were analog. Why couldn't they buy HTC...;) Either way I think it's to fight off patent litigation.
 
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