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Macbook should have had two USB ports.
iPad Pro should have ran a tweaked version of OS X geared for touch.
iMac 4K should have came with an SSD.
Apple TV should have had 4K compatibility for use with home videos shot on iPhone 6S.
iPad Pro should have 128GB base storage, and have the 32GB model only sold as an enterprise model.

These are all things people seem to agree on, and there isn't much of an argument for Apple to have done this. Just start finishing your products before you release them Apple...

I couldn't agree more. Apple has gotten sloppy. Their company has gotten so big they don't feel like they only have to put out decent products out instead of great product.

Their products have such great potential but they took the lazy route.
 
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This picture sums it all, Google is still a one trick pony. I love Google and it's ambitions, but dislike it's advertising model and hate feeding the advertising machine.

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SO you're saying there's no way to plug that lightning cable it comes with, into your PC or mac, and then move the 4k files over to it via something like iTunes content management that many other apps support for this very reason?
At USB 2 speeds? At raw DV sizes on to a 128 GB drive? Good luck with that.

One hour of RAW DV 4K video is 110 GB. Can't do a movie.
 
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IMO, Scott Forstall would have made the iOS and OSX GUIs an awful. The UI of Lion was hideous.

Personally, I absolutely hate skeuomorphic UIs, and much prefer consistency between applications and widgets like we have now. A GUI widget looking like the real world object is often inefficient - i.e., takes up way too much real estate.

The interface of Snow Leopard, and now in Mavericks are after is much better, IMO. Much more consistency UI wise.

People don't need a Calendar looking like a real calendar. Skeuomorphic UIs were fairly popular in the 70s and early 80s because people were just starting to use computers and most were basically clueless. Today, in 2015, things are much different for most part.

I hope the trend of skeuomorphic UIs never return.

I disagree, to a degree.

I am a fan of skeumorphism, but I am also a fan of style and efficiency.

We live in a real world, and what made iOS/OS X intuitive was that you didn't need training to use the device. The less skeuomorphic a UI, the higher the learning curve for using it. You end up having to guess, test, and remember the results way, way more.

It used to be that in iOS/OS X a button looked like a button. A dial looked (and behaved) like a dial. We need to be able to interact with a piece of glass, so some skeumorphism needs to be there. Otherwise, we'd still be using the command line for everything.

That said, can things be made more lightweight, stylish, efficient, and better looking? Sure.

Perhaps somewhere between Forstall's absolutely literal design and Ive's plaintext, "tap-to-see-if-this-does-something" style is the sweet-spot.

To be fair, I think iOS and post-Yosemite OSX are slowly moving towards that middle.

PD. I enjoyed ripping pages off the Calendar app. I miss that attention to detail and fun that OS X and iOS used to have. It's not that it was necessary, but that it was fun.
 
So as of this morning Google's market cap is $524B and Apple's is $523B. So far today Apple is basically flat while Google is down about $17. If Apple ends the day higher than Google will MR post another story about how Apple has taken the crown back from Google? Why do I get the feeling the answer will be no.
 
So as of this morning Google's market cap is $524B and Apple's is $523B. So far today Apple is basically flat while Google is down about $17. If Apple ends the day higher than Google will MR post another story about how Apple has taken the crown back from Google? Why do I get the feeling the answer will be no.

Perhaps they can add a new section with day by day tracking.
 
So as of this morning Google's market cap is $524B and Apple's is $523B. So far today Apple is basically flat while Google is down about $17. If Apple ends the day higher than Google will MR post another story about how Apple has taken the crown back from Google? Why do I get the feeling the answer will be no.

Now where would the clickbait be in doing that...? ;-)

And, BTW, as of a few minutes ago Apple was at $522B and Alphabet at $514B..... we'll see if it holds or not. Historically, when a new number one comes along they "test" it before really capturing it - so Google's test was yesterday. Who knows if/when they'll really capture it (could be today, could be months from now).
 
So as of this morning Google's market cap is $524B and Apple's is $523B. So far today Apple is basically flat while Google is down about $17. If Apple ends the day higher than Google will MR post another story about how Apple has taken the crown back from Google? Why do I get the feeling the answer will be no.


All the criticism of Apple levied in this thread are still valid if they change back and forth 10 times. The crux of my arguments stem from the patterns Apple exhibit now and what that means going forward. Peak saturation in electronic gadgets, convergence of services related to said gadgets, and commoditization of the hardware sector in general. All that while staring at, what looks like, another massive recession. The strong dollar is going to make things even worse if that trend doesn't slow.
 
Didn't Apple do that already....or did they event it /s

When the Apple Watch was about to be announced there were some who thought it would be preventing cancer and a plethora of other diseases.
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So as of this morning Google's market cap is $524B and Apple's is $523B. So far today Apple is basically flat while Google is down about $17. If Apple ends the day higher than Google will MR post another story about how Apple has taken the crown back from Google? Why do I get the feeling the answer will be no.

Maybe you could complain to the editor.
 
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Except the flat UI hasn't really evolved at all since iOS 7. Jony Ive and team just lazily redesigned iOS (and didn't even bother finishing it) and just called it a day. Very little of iOS 8 and 9 actually improves upon the UI and the appearance, in some cases even worse than before (i.e.: music app). It already looks stale and boring, especially compared to the much more refined and much less flat look of OS X Yosemite/El Capitan.

I hope iOS gets another (but much better) redesign in the near future, it kinda needs it.

I believe that before style, iOS needs better functionality.

At least to bring it up to par with what Android can do. Force touch is an excellent innovation, but I don't think it is enough. I simply want more control over the OS (widgets, tile arraging, navigating back/forward, closing open apps all at once, filesystem access, etc).

I'm sure some of these things are coming, but the problem is Apple's snail's pace to bring forward "duh" features (remember copy/paste?) and their habit of keeping things in their hip pocket for iterative future releases.
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SO you're saying there's no way to plug that lightning cable it comes with, into your PC or mac, and then move the 4k files over to it via something like iTunes content management that many other apps support for this very reason?

At USB 2 speeds? At raw DV sizes on to a 128 GB drive? Good luck with that.

One hour of RAW DV 4K video is 110 GB. Can't do a movie.

Exactly. To me this speaks to the annoyance of Apple going proprietary, especially connectors.

When Lightning was first announced, I actually thought it was derived from Thunderbolt, and was "lightning" fast.

Instead, we got a small reversible connector that did nothing for transfer speeds. It's merely a proprietary charge cable, since Apple is moving towards all things wireless (see MacBook). The fact that it's small means nothing to me, and its reversibility is a minor convenience at best.

Hopefully Apple either ditches it for USB-C, or something less proprietary (like the ones on every other phone out there), or at least puts the "lightning" into the iPhone's connector.
 
All the criticism of Apple levied in this thread are still valid if they change back and forth 10 times. The crux of my arguments stem from the patterns Apple exhibit now and what that means going forward. Peak saturation in electronic gadgets, convergence of services related to said gadgets, and commoditization of the hardware sector in general. All that while staring at, what looks like, another massive recession. The strong dollar is going to make things even worse if that trend doesn't slow.
But had Google not briefly overtaken Apple MR would never have written this story. Hence why I'm wondering if they'll write another one or update this one now that Apple looks like it will overtake Google today.

Perhaps they can add a new section with day by day tracking.

Ha! I just find it amusing. The press rushed to write that story b/c Google's stock shot up $50 after hours. But at the end of the next day the stock finished only up $10 or so. And is down over $20 today (so far). Google and Apple will most likely go back and forth for a while now.
 
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All the criticism of Apple levied in this thread are still valid if they change back and forth 10 times. The crux of my arguments stem from the patterns Apple exhibit now and what that means going forward. Peak saturation in electronic gadgets, convergence of services related to said gadgets, and commoditization of the hardware sector in general. All that while staring at, what looks like, another massive recession. The strong dollar is going to make things even worse if that trend doesn't slow.
I installed "Refine" on my iOS devices which stopped Google ads in their tracks. Seems a bit easier to slow down Google revenue without worrying about the dollar, peak saturation, etc.. :D Would be interesting if Apple created a product similar to Refine and had ad blocking on by default on all of their gadgets/Macs.

Personally, I could care less either way. Google is down big time right this minute, but that has been the rollercoaster of the stock market. I think it was noteworthy that Google passed them, since they haven't been in that position for a long time, but it doesn't make me want to throw out my iPhone or start clicking on ads based on current stock prices.
 
I can't believe I didn't know about this app. Glorious.
I love it. However, your not knowing about it was my point about Apple installing something like this as a default in Safari. That way people would just not get the ads and have to research it the other way if they wanted to see them. Probably wouldn't make tech bloggers (and others) that rely on ads to keep their sites open too happy though. :eek:

I was using an app called Crystal, but at the time, I did not see a way to turn on ads on specific pages. Refine allows that, which is why I prefer it.
 
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I got the 6S 64GB too. :D Space gray. But I walked out of the Apple Store kinda funny, I didn't go and brag about how much money Apple made and how they were salvation for mankind. It hurt to sit for a while, but it went away. :D

How are you doing?
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Of course Apple cares more about humanity than Google. At least in the reality distortion field of some.

Same one here. I ordered online and missed the delivery for the day, oh how will I live with my 4s and that .3 second lag for one more day, I'll cry about it here. WAH!! I as well will decide to not brag about how much Apple made. I can sit down okay as I haven't received the phone yet and may even change my mind and return it so I can remain seated. I am this excited over smartphones (Insert bored emoji) At times I still am considering going flip phone and just claiming the internet just plain ruined smartphones in my mind. Be anti- anti establishment. Like a boss!!


Since I double quoted you: I doubt either company really gives a a poop about humanity to be honest. Asking me to trust humans is a bit too much. Apple cares about the smell of farts, and google cares about toothpaste and beavers. (Larry Page teeth reference #354 from me.) Seriously Page get on that before you do ANYTHING else in this world. Cook you look like a bird, and Nadella you like Skeletor. Plastic surgery and a few good burgers for them.

I am doing fine BTW Scruff. That wasn't a drunken post I swear. I just want the peeps to smile.

Screw Apple
Screw Google
Screw MS

;)

There, the proper mindset.
 
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Google ... can charge 3.99 for YouTube and ever one of us would pay it also.

No, we wouldn't.

I think if Google decided to charge $4/month for Youtube, they would enjoy the same kind of backlash the NY Times and Wall Street Journal received over putting their content behind a paywall. People would have to choose between wasting time on anything else that was free vs. wasting time on Youtube for $4/month. Free nearly always wins.


Storage and bandwidth costs have dropped tremendously, to the point where it is now cost effective for sites to host their own video. If Youtube disappeared yesterday, there would be a new video site, or five or ten of them, that would replace it, and perhaps someone would come up with a better way of monetizing it than scraping data off people who view the videos and selling it.

Google maps? Easy 14.99 its by fat the best GPS out there.

I'll admit that a decent map service could potentially make money on its own, but it'd have to offer a lot more value-adds to make it worthwhile. I would pay $14.99 for a Rand McNally street finder or national atlas before I'd buy a month of Google Maps at that price.

Google should charge oems 5 dollars for an android license for each Android phone.

Think it would have taken off if it was licensed for a fee? Companies screamed over Apple wanting $1/port for firewire technology back in 2002. Apple eventually gave in but the damage was done. Who uses Firewire now?

How well do you think that would work for Google?
 
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No, we wouldn't.

I think if Google decided to charge $4/month for Youtube, they would enjoy the same kind of backlash the NY Times and Wall Street Journal received over putting their content behind a paywall. People would have to choose between wasting time on anything else that was free vs. wasting time on Youtube for $4/month. Free nearly always wins.


Storage and bandwidth costs have dropped tremendously, to the point where it is now cost effective for sites to host their own video. If Youtube disappeared yesterday, there would be a new video site, or five or ten of them, that would replace it, and perhaps someone would come up with a better way of monetizing it than scraping data off people who view the videos and selling it.



I'll admit that a decent map service could potentially make money on its own, but it'd have to offer a lot more value-adds to make it worthwhile. I would pay $14.99 for a Rand McNally street finder or national atlas before I'd buy a month of Google Maps at that price.



Think it would have taken off if it was licensed for a fee? Companies screamed over Apple wanting $1/port for firewire technology back in 2002. Apple eventually gave in but the damage was done. Who uses Firewire now?

How well do you think that would work for Google?

Who ever said anything about monthly fees? I'm talking one time fee on each of there major services.

Google made the OS that millions of people use and a whole eco system and just gives it away for free.

Samsung sold over 300 million phones in 2015 so just imagine what Google could make just off Samsung if they said hey its 2-3 dollars per cell phone 2-3 bucks is nothing to the end user and an easy cost that we can pay.

Google has so many ways of making more money down the road

I paid 30 bucks for a waze navi app the was compatible with my Honda crv mirror link and that GPS is absolute garbage compared to Google maps.

I've actually sent Google a message saying I would pay for a mirror link version of Google maps because all the ones out are not even close to what they offer.
 
Who ever said anything about monthly fees? I'm talking one time fee on each of there major services.

I think that would certainly be more palatable to people, but then that takes Google to the opposite extreme from where they are now - instead of a constant revenue stream from a monthly subscription replacing their constant revenue stream from looking over peoples' shoulders, you'd replace all that with a one time fee? Remember that Google, besides being the software Panopticon, wants to make all of the money. Where do they go for revenue after you and the rest of the world buy all their software for a few bucks per piece?


Google made the OS that millions of people use and a whole eco system and just gives it away for free.

I thought everyone understood this, but I guess not. No, they don't give it away for free. Just because you can't see the money being paid up front doesn't mean it isn't coming along at some point. Google lets you use their software for no money up front, in return for knowing the intimate details of your life and doing whatever they please with it as long as it is worth something to them to do so.
For the record, no company on earth gives away anything, feel-good promotions included.

Samsung sold over 300 million phones in 2015 so just imagine what Google could make just off Samsung if they said hey its 2-3 dollars per cell phone 2-3 bucks is nothing to the end user and an easy cost that we can pay.

Apple in large part developed and wholly owned the tech behind Firewire. They wanted $1 per port licensing fee. A lot of us here thought that was pretty good considering the amount of money Apple had spent on development. (Yes there were other companies involved besides Apple). The outrage from every company from white box manufacturers to camcorders to simple breakout boxes was astounding. Apple backed down eventually, but the damage was done. Who uses Firewire anymore? One camcorder from Sony doesn't count.

I paid 30 bucks for a waze navi app the was compatible with my Honda crv mirror link and that GPS is absolute garbage compared to Google maps.

I've actually sent Google a message saying I would pay for a mirror link version of Google maps because all the ones out are not even close to what they offer.

They probably got more money out of the content and circumstances of your email (which I'm betting was from a Gmail address) than they would out of you actually sending them money for an app. Probably had a good laugh too.
 
I think that would certainly be more palatable to people, but then that takes Google to the opposite extreme from where they are now - instead of a constant revenue stream from a monthly subscription replacing their constant revenue stream from looking over peoples' shoulders, you'd replace all that with a one time fee? Remember that Google, besides being the software Panopticon, wants to make all of the money. Where do they go for revenue after you and the rest of the world buy all their software for a few bucks per piece?




I thought everyone understood this, but I guess not. No, they don't give it away for free. Just because you can't see the money being paid up front doesn't mean it isn't coming along at some point. Google lets you use their software for no money up front, in return for knowing the intimate details of your life and doing whatever they please with it as long as it is worth something to them to do so.
For the record, no company on earth gives away anything, feel-good promotions included.



Apple in large part developed and wholly owned the tech behind Firewire. They wanted $1 per port licensing fee. A lot of us here thought that was pretty good considering the amount of money Apple had spent on development. (Yes there were other companies involved besides Apple). The outrage from every company from white box manufacturers to camcorders to simple breakout boxes was astounding. Apple backed down eventually, but the damage was done. Who uses Firewire anymore? One camcorder from Sony doesn't count.



They probably got more money out of the content and circumstances of your email (which I'm betting was from a Gmail address) than they would out of you actually sending them money for an app. Probably had a good laugh too.

I'm still not following you.Google can still do everything its doing now and still reap profits from selling its apps and operating system.

What the heck does FireWire have to do with an operating system that is being used with almost a 90% world market share of all mobile phones?

Google is already a monopoly with Android and has billions of users using it.there is is 100% free.you can go on there web page and down load all the binaries and make a home made Android box work.you have to side load its core services but the os is 100% free to download and make your own device or computer.

Just go on eBay and look at the 1000s of clone Android USB media sticks for sale.

Google can charge a license fee and millions of phones and oems would have no choice then pay up for it.

I bought an nvidia shield Android TV media device and hated the locked down operating system they put on it.luckily the device has a 100% unlocked bootloader so I installed pure asop Android on it.no play store or any Google services and side load the apps I need like kodi and showbox for movies.

I would gladly pay 5 bucks for asop vanilla Android but its free for anyone to use right off there web site.
 
So as of this morning Google's market cap is $524B and Apple's is $523B. So far today Apple is basically flat while Google is down about $17. If Apple ends the day higher than Google will MR post another story about how Apple has taken the crown back from Google? Why do I get the feeling the answer will be no.

Because in the long term I wouldn't be surprised if Alphabet reached the twice of Apple's valuation considering the innovation they are having in background
Lol at that !
But really LOL

an advertising company caring about humanity. And the planet ! Yes, award Google with the Nobel Prize.
Speaking about reality distortion field....
Yes Google does care a lot for humanity.If you weren't so busy hyping up data mining you would realise Google installed free WiFi at many railway stations in South Africa and India both being underdeveloped countries and donated huge amounts to charity.Exactly what has Apple done in this regard?
 
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Of course Apple cares more about humanity than Google. At least in the reality distortion field of some.
I'm still waiting for you to show me where I wrote about Apple caring about humanity more than Google ?
Or was you just seeking for upvotes with a FALSE accusation?

So Google surpassing Apple lasted one day?
Yep.
That's a demonstration of how silly are threads like this, just a click bait.
Wall Street hysterical behavior is amusing....

Who ever said anything about monthly fees? I'm talking one time fee on each of there major services.

Google made the OS that millions of people use and a whole eco system and just gives it away for free.

Samsung sold over 300 million phones in 2015 so just imagine what Google could make just off Samsung if they said hey its 2-3 dollars per cell phone 2-3 bucks is nothing to the end user and an easy cost that we can pay.

Google has so many ways of making more money down the road

I paid 30 bucks for a waze navi app the was compatible with my Honda crv mirror link and that GPS is absolute garbage compared to Google maps.

I've actually sent Google a message saying I would pay for a mirror link version of Google maps because all the ones out are not even close to what they offer.
Oh my ... Do you REALLY think Google is giving away something for free ? How naive ....

Because in the long term I wouldn't be surprised if Alphabet reached the twice of Apple's valuation considering the innovation they are having in background

Yes Google does care a lot for humanity.If you weren't so busy hyping up data mining you would realise Google installed free WiFi at many railway stations in South Africa and India both being underdeveloped countries and donated huge amounts to charity.Exactly what has Apple done in this regard?
Innovations? They are just studying new ways to milk user's data....

Google care for humanity ? Lol ...
I could link a lot of hilarious thing about Apple , too, but what I know for sure, every commercial company cares for profits, and Apple is better than Google in that aspect.

Here for your amusement:
http://www.apple.com/environment/
http://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/
http://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/empowering-workers/
http://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/labor-and-human-rights/
http://9to5mac.com/2015/10/12/apple-imagine-dragons-exclusive-tunes-charity-song/
http://fortune.com/2015/09/18/apple-refugee-groups-donations/
 
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