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The thing I really don't get is how Apple is trying to pose the iPad Pro as a monster 4K video editing machine, yet there's no way to actually get 4K content on it. WiFi isn't fast enough to move Raw DV 4K content over.

The iPad Pro needs something akin to Thunderbolt to be used for video editing in the way Apple wants to imply it can be.

Disclaimer: My wife has an iPad Pro for artwork and we both love it. I just can't imagine anyone editing 4K video on it. It'd be a huge pain just to get the video on it, not to mention storage.
Just playing Devil's advocate here - I agree with your sentiment - but don't the vast majority of professional editors work with proxy media anyway and the full res stuff is only linked right at the end?

Would be a nightmare editing a large project with full 4K media, doubt it'd be a pleasant experience on a Mac Pro never mind an iPad Pro.
 
Good news: iOS is OS X geared for touch. Go back and watch the keynote where Steve Jobs introduced the iPhone.

iOS is at best, a heavily stripped down version of OS X, geared for touch.

When the full version of Photoshop is available for the iPad Pro, then we'll talk more.

Some of the Adobe CC apps (photoshop, illustrator, etc) switch to "Touch Optimized" UI's when I have the SP3 in tablet mode. I would like to be able to run the full OSX apps, natively in a tablet form factor. Along with full access to the filesystem, and native file sharing support (afp, cifs, etc..) to get files there. Being able to plug in and work directly off external drives would be nice also.
 
There will be more calls for a change at the top at Apple now. Alphabet is seen as the true innovator, and Android the clear winner in mobile.

Lol ... with almost 90% of the profits on iOS , Android surely is the clear winner .... for crappy cheap devices :D
 
Sorry - but you're just wrong. Love or hate Google - they are constantly investing in R&D beyond the consumer marketing. They have tons of research projects and studies. Some of their projects fail but they keep trying. That's to be commended actually.

Besides the search engine, my point is, there is nothing Google on my hand that I can use right now. Whereas I have iPhone, iPad, Macbook Pro, AppleTV, AppleWatch, etc. I am using at this minute.
 
I don't understand how a company with much less revenue and profit (and money in the bank) can be worth more than Apple?

Stocks are about the future. You can't make money if a stock isn't going to grow in value. Unfortunately for Cook, he took over a company whose stockholders had come to expect constant innovation and market growth.

So whereas Jobs in his latter years was in his "I will spend every penny we have to defeat Android" mode, Cook is apparently in a "I will spend more and more trying to figure out the next big thing" mode.

R&D spending, while still small revenue-percentage-wise compared to other companies, has been rising quite a bit under Cook. Acquisitions seem pretty constant, in all sorts of fields. Rumors persist of "secret" projects like cars and VR. Until something major is created, smaller changes like upping display sizes, adding more models, removing headphone jacks, 3D touch and adding fashion touches, are used to fill in the stockholder-woo gap.

Hmm. That sounds a bit like the previous post-Jobs era.

I think Apple needs focus. I don't know who can give it. For example, to me, the Apple Watch is the sum of Tim Cook and Jon Ive, minus Steve Jobs, in a microcosm. It has no clear single focus. Instead, Apple put in every feature from call answering to little apps. Personally I like that, but if a different company did it to the same extent, it would be rightfully called "throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks."

Just my thoughts. I feel kind of sorry for Cook. He's been trapped by unrealistic expectations. OTOH, I think a short downturn will help him in the long run, because it will temper those expectations.
 
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Macbook should have had two USB ports.
iPad Pro should have ran a tweaked version of OS X geared for touch.
iMac 4K should have came with an SSD.
Apple TV should have had 4K compatibility for use with home videos shot on iPhone 6S.
iPad Pro should have 128GB base storage, and have the 32GB model only sold as an enterprise model.

These are all things people seem to agree on, and there isn't much of an argument for Apple to have done this. Just start finishing your products before you release them Apple...
*iPhone should have 32GB base (if not 64GB)
*Fusion/SSD should be standard across all Macs (and don't gimp the SSD component)
*MP should be updated when new components allow
*Apple Watch shouldn't be tethered to the iPhone to be actually useful (and completely waterproof too please)
*Product line up needs to be simplified; less convoluted
 
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Good news: iOS is OS X geared for touch. Go back and watch the keynote where Steve Jobs introduced the iPhone.

I think the point he was trying to make was that the same applications that run on OSx, are not available for the iPad Pro, or iOS. there are several "pro" level applications, that would be very nice to be able to run on a form factor like the iPad Pro, but do not exist in iOS land, Or are severely crippled and scaled down.

Could you imagine being able to run full photoshop on the iPad Pro? Or full Lightroom? Thats what some people are wanting out of something claiming to be "pro". not just the same ipad apps they've already been running on iOS
 
Apple Watch, Apple Music, iPad Pro/Apple Pencil and Retina MacBook are not what I would consider good products.
That's kind of your problem. Go use Google Glass, Play Store, Nexus 7/Bamboo Stylus and Chromebook Pixel instead. Pathetic copies of Apple products that's all Google is good for. Now they've even copied Apple Maps.
 
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You mean like Apple?
No, definitely NOT like Apple.
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Oh noes.. I'm going to dump my Macbook Pro, iPad, iPhone and the rest because Apple isn't #1...
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OK, well, Google are valued higher than Apple... back to work - more important things to get on with in life!

Seriously... Google, due to more being more public about what they are working on, appear as an exciting company, not afraid of failure. I'm sure Apple would seem so too, if they weren't so secretive.
Fortunately Apple isn't Google...
I'm waiting for the next exciting novelties by Apple, not the half baked futuristic solutions by Google...

*iPhone should have 32GB base (if not 64GB)
*Fusion/SSD should be standard across all Macs (and don't gimp the SSD component)
*MP should be updated when new components allow
*Apple Watch shouldn't be tethered to the iPhone to be actually useful (and completely waterproof too please)
*Product line up needs to be simplified; less convoluted
yet it doesn't have anything to do with stock exchange (and thus with this thread).
 
iOS is at best, a heavily stripped down version of OS X, geared for touch.

When the full version of Photoshop is available for the iPad Pro, then we'll talk more.

Some of the Adobe CC apps (photoshop, illustrator, etc) switch to "Touch Optimized" UI's when I have the SP3 in tablet mode. I would like to be able to run the full OSX apps, natively in a tablet form factor. Along with full access to the filesystem, and native file sharing support (afp, cifs, etc..) to get files there. Being able to plug in and work directly off external drives would be nice also.
I think it's a bit ironic that iOS is designed for touch-based yet now they have buttons that are essentially plain text links while OS X still has clearly identifiable buttons for its point-and-clink interface whereas iOS needs it way more.
 
Besides the search engine, my point is, there is nothing Google on my hand that I can use right now. Whereas I have iPhone, iPad, Macbook Pro, AppleTV, AppleWatch, etc. I am using at this minute.

You should give it a try. There are lots of great Google products out there. For example, OK Google's voice commands. Works a lot better compared to Siri. Nothing beats Google maps and Google Earth. And what about Youtube? Analytics? Gmail and Chrome for OSX?

Google is a lot more than just a search engine.
 
Your user icon sums things up nicely.. whatever Google do, your not going to be open minded enough to appreciate.


No, definitely NOT like Apple.

Fortunately Apple isn't Google...
I'm waiting for the next exciting novelties by Apple, not the half baked futuristic solutions by Google...


yet it doesn't have anything to do with stock exchange (and thus with this thread).
 
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Lol ... with almost 90% of the profits on iOS , Android surely is the clear winner .... for crappy cheap devices :D

You mean: affordable, non-high-margin devices that don't rely on subsidies to sell, and which the majority of the world can buy.

Remember, there would've been no worldwide phone infrastructure and market for Apple to take advantage of, without the cheaper devices that allowed those truly critical pieces to grow so widespread.
 
Arguably, you are in minority. They are the best product in the market right now. Why? It will take a lengthy paragraphs just to explain that, so let's agree to disagree. Move on.
I get it, Apple is great and they can't do any wrong. This is why Tim Cook's Apple gets away with releasing subpar and half-assed products and services because the blind Apple loyalists are convinced that every decision they make is right and try to justify it no matter how stupid or idiotic it is.

Also, the Apple brand continues to be the major driver of sales nowadays. People just buy into the name brand and that is the genius and legacy that Steve Jobs left behind (that Tim Cook is kinda screwing up). That's why the hardcore fanboys cite the record sales as a defense mechanism anytime somebody states that Apple is declining in quality. Yet, there's a difference between quality and quantity.
 
Remember, the Street doesn't care about profits. They care about profit growth. It looks like Apple is a one-trick pony in a declining industry, while Alphabet is pushing forward. It might be time for Apple to use some of that cash to make a big acquisition. That would be better than using it for more stock buybacks, which will just reinforce the image that Apple is a declining business.

You act like Apple isn't heavily invested in potential future technologies. There is infinite potential for growth from Apple. The thing is, unlike alphabet Apple doesn't publicize the things they are working on. There is just as much a possibility that either company is going to stun us with a massive breakthrough in a new area. It's just easier to see how alphabet may grow in the future whereas with Apple you have to just believe they are working on things to continue to grow as a business. For a lot of people that isn't a safe enough bet and apples stock will reflect that. I just hope Apple doesn't try to adjust its business model of secrecy in order to keep Wall Street happy. I like being blown away by surprise technological advancements. I hope Apple can do it again.
 
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I’m sure we’ll be hearing from the resident trolls and iHaters but remember this. The same people who will chortle and brag about GOOG surpassing AAPL in market cap will be the exact same people who declared market cap to be meaningless when Apple raced pass Google and Microsoft. Now that the shoe is on the other foot they will suddenly have a chnage of heart and declare that market cap does mean something. It’s what hypocrites do.
 
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True that that's why, but Apple's P/E is less than 11, while Alphabet's is 35. If Apple just maintained their current profits they'd still be way ahead of Google for a long time. Apple is clearly undervalued while Google has a lot of optimism and trend-betting factored into its price.

That's the difference between a blue chip and a speculative play. Apple is priced as a stock that will grow slowly, make lots of money, and offer a dividend. Alphabet is priced as a stock that will grow rapidly and continually innovate until their profits match their stock valuation. Alphabet revenue was up 18%, whereas Apple revenue was up 1.7% this quarter. It fits...
 
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