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One of the largest security risks is through Adobe products. Apple's preview is faster, more functional, and far more secure than Adobe reader. Will Google strongly suggest to its employees to avoid things like Reader -- or at least turn off the scripting "feature" in that software?

Anybody that values their sanity would turn off Acrobat Reader... Maybe Acrobat Reader was written in Flash? Certainly feels like it. It sucks in Windows too, but they have no alternative.
 
And yet IE6's backwardness is creating an incentive to keep it in some places.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

Back before Firefox became popular, Network World polled a number of CIOs regarding browsers. The consensus was they'd like to get people off IE for security reasons (and this was three years or so ago!), but so many of them had too much invested in ActiveX intranet apps - which pretty much meant they were stuck with IE for in-house use.

Since Microsoft had this de facto browser monopoly already, they dragged their feet with regard to implementing newer web standards and more complete CSS and DOM support. You can't really blame them for that, IMHO - why would anyone expect them to act against their own corporate best interest?

In spite of this handicap Firefox managed to eventually take off (home use driving work adoption, I'm guessing), and so Microsoft has been much more about web standards with IE 8 and 9. Plus MS is being much more forthright about the fundamental security problems ActiveX introduces. But given how easy it is to make ActiveX apps (it really is a trained monkey sort of thing - and MS provided free or cheap training to a lot of monkeys), I don't think it's surprising that a significant number of companies still resist moving into the 21st century. It's not that hard to make modern web apps, but I've known a number of these ActiveX monkeys and they're just not that good.
 
God, this is horrible news. HORRIBLE. Not the hack but the fact that google is switching to mac and not doing windows anymore. Just makes MAC that much more vulnerable and targeted for viruses now. JESUS. That is why I picked mac because it isn't "popular".
This is a joke, right?

Surely, you're joking.

That has to be a joke.
 
I suspect the number of people using PCs as we know it will fall like 8-Track music player users in the next year or two... the future for the average Joe who only surfs, e-mails, stores pictures, plays games, watches movies and reads is iPad type products. So the percentage adoption will not even be based on PCs soon. The ground will simply move from under Microsoft's feet.

I had to chuckle when I read your last sentence. I believe you're right. Too many home computer users are really qualified iPad customers. They need that super simple "it just works" mail and internet browser. Furthermore, the iWorks suite is also totally enough for most home and quasi work use.

I suspect that after June 7th, Microsoft will need to replace more chairs in the executive suite.
 
Given the type of people that work at Google, I am betting that most of them would choose linux over OS X.

GL

Information says otherwise (from the text of the story):

The majority of those moving away from Windows PCs are mostly moving to Mac OS according to another Google employee
 
I suspect the number of people using PCs as we know it will fall like 8-Track music player users in the next year or two...
You are far over exaggerating on that one.


...the future for the average Joe who only surfs, e-mails, stores pictures, plays games, watches movies and reads is iPad type products.

The average Joe has been doing the above for many years now (but also doing a lot more)...hence why, in reality, a consumer can buy a Mac or a PC or a Linux box and they will all "perform" the same because they all support browsers that generate the same experience. Sure, the iPad may suffice for a large percentage of the computing experience (these days), but there are plenty of people out there (like me) who need a full fledged thick client application (aka, non-web) such as MS Office or Photoshop or Sony Acid or Winrar or cd/dvd burning software or dvd authoring software...or need to do things that my iPhone/iPad can't (print, save/backup/transfer stuff to a USB drive/flash key).

Again, yes, most of my computing experience is on the internet (about 75% I would say). It's hard to find folks out there that will require 0% time on a full-fledged personal computer...PC or Mac...and 100% time on the web or using iPad/iPhone apps. Those people exist, but far from the quantities that would label the group as a majority.

-Eric
 
Information says otherwise (from the text of the story):

The majority of those moving away from Windows PCs are mostly moving to Mac OS according to another Google employee

If you go to most any Linux conference, you'll see a LOT of Macs. Most of the admins I know don't see the point in OS X Server, but many of them really like OS X on their personal machines.
 
gee, a few stories come out that apple may make bing the default search engine on the iPhone and google panics. will this please Steve??? hmmm....
 
Back before Firefox became popular, Network World polled a number of CIOs regarding browsers. The consensus was they'd like to get people off IE for security reasons (and this was three years or so ago!), but so many of them had too much invested in ActiveX intranet apps - which pretty much meant they were stuck with IE for in-house use.

Since Microsoft had this de facto browser monopoly already, they dragged their feet with regard to implementing newer web standards and more complete CSS and DOM support. You can't really blame them for that, IMHO - why would anyone expect them to act against their own corporate best interest?

In spite of this handicap Firefox managed to eventually take off (home use driving work adoption, I'm guessing), and so Microsoft has been much more about web standards with IE 8 and 9. Plus MS is being much more forthright about the fundamental security problems ActiveX introduces. But given how easy it is to make ActiveX apps (it really is a trained monkey sort of thing - and MS provided free or cheap training to a lot of monkeys), I don't think it's surprising that a significant number of companies still resist moving into the 21st century. It's not that hard to make modern web apps, but I've known a number of these ActiveX monkeys and they're just not that good.

Wow, ActiveX... Isn't that the thingy that could whipe out your entire Windows Registry by visiting a single malicious site?
 
Back before Firefox became popular, Network World polled a number of CIOs regarding browsers. The consensus was they'd like to get people off IE for security reasons (and this was three years or so ago!), but so many of them had too much invested in ActiveX intranet apps - which pretty much meant they were stuck with IE for in-house use.

Since Microsoft had this de facto browser monopoly already, they dragged their feet with regard to implementing newer web standards and more complete CSS and DOM support. You can't really blame them for that, IMHO - why would anyone expect them to act against their own corporate best interest?

In spite of this handicap Firefox managed to eventually take off (home use driving work adoption, I'm guessing), and so Microsoft has been much more about web standards with IE 8 and 9. Plus MS is being much more forthright about the fundamental security problems ActiveX introduces. But given how easy it is to make ActiveX apps (it really is a trained monkey sort of thing - and MS provided free or cheap training to a lot of monkeys), I don't think it's surprising that a significant number of companies still resist moving into the 21st century. It's not that hard to make modern web apps, but I've known a number of these ActiveX monkeys and they're just not that good.

I don't think non-standards compliance from Microsoft was intentional. It is hard to accurately implement standards. Firefox and WebKit browsers benefit from contributions. My guess is these are so successful open source projects because web developers want the same behavior on multiple platforms so the ones with application development experience give back. This is one place Open Source excels. Horrible at creating a consistent experience but great at implementing standards.

Microsoft wants ActiveX dead as much as the rest of us. It is old technology for Microsoft. They want everyone on .net or Silverlight instead.

Unrelated, but I feel like ranting. I don't get why there isn't a push to create a new cleaner HTML/CSS/DOM. Especially the DOM. Sure it will take years to gain widespread support, but HTML has changed way too much and has a lot of baggage. It is supposed to represent data and css is supposed to represent display. For some reason accessibility needs to be in HTML even though it contracts the whole information vs presentation thing because accessibility uses special HTML tags that imply meaning instead of stylesheets. Some of the new changes make things easier for rich apps... but it could be so much better. So many contradictions in HTML... Personally I'd like to just dump the whole system. Why can't we have a system based on MVC? Wouldn't that be more logical then the mess we have now? For rich apps, everyone tries some sort of inelegant graft of MVC on top of HTML/Javascript to make the current system usable anyway.
 
exactly. Nice PR for Apple but big whoopedy dooo. MS Windows is installed on billions (literally) of BUSINESS machines and if one company of 10,000 users wants to have a knee-jerk reaction and move to Linux and/or Mac, big deal. Nothing in this world is 100% secure or safe or perfect.

This is the first time I've ever read about any company throwing out MS (other than Apple and I'm sure somewhere in Apple are a few PC servers)

It happens a lot whether you've heard about it or not.

Several years ago the entire U.S. Army switched to Macs for security reasons.

The only large entity that I know of that ever switched from Macs to Windows was NASA, and shortly after that they began to lose satilites headed to Mars, the Moon and Venus, and blew up the Challenger. I'm not saying the Windows computers were at fault there...but it does give one a measure of the lack of smarts at the top.
 
Yes, the US government was a big announcement too not long ago.

Not sure what mysticalos was referring to, but i do remember this: "Apples For The Army"



Gee, is it ever so popular to hate Apple right now (but most people still secretly use and love their products)

Aint that the truth.

Tall Poppy Syndrome at its worst.
Ah, thanks (i just learned a new term). Previously, i tended to regard that phenomena as some form of cognitive dissonance.



The way I read the article, it is an indictment of the entire Windows OS, and the inherent lack of security therein, more than merely the browser.

They are not saying "IE sucks". They are saying, "IE sucks, and so does Windows, see ya..."
It also makes me wonder about the whole Word/Exel/PowerPoint side of things. Do they migrate to iWork now... or (more likely), some sort of NeoOffice/OpenOffice solution?
 
God, this is horrible news. HORRIBLE. Not the hack but the fact that google is switching to mac and not doing windows anymore. Just makes MAC that much more vulnerable and targeted for viruses now. JESUS. That is why I picked mac because it isn't "popular".

Seriously?! You picked a Mac because it isn't popular? That is a retarded reason to pick just about anything. Pick a Mac because it's safe, because it's awesome. ro any reason other than because it isn't popular.
 
gee, a few stories come out that apple may make bing the default search engine on the iPhone and google panics. will this please Steve??? hmmm....

Hahaha... you need to read the original story to see what was behind the switchover. However your surmising gave me a great visual of Google sacrificing ten thousand Windows computers by throwing them into a flaming volcano while the great God of Jobs angrily looks on. ;)
 
No.

Google has about 10,000 employees. The fact they're switching to a (largely) Linux/OS X combination is statistically insignificant, plus those systems are probably being monitored by a pretty good IT team.

OS X becomes a target when a billion consumers are users.

Crackers are interested in the low-hanging fruit.

And my guess is crackers probably build their own PC's too instead of dropping the money down on a Mac.
 
It also makes me wonder about the whole Word/Exel/PowerPoint side of things. Do they migrate to iWork now... or (more likely), some sort of NeoOffice/OpenOffice solution?

Their desktop OS might not be ready to hit the big time, but I think Google feels their Docs are the bees knees. I would think they would try to eat their own dogfood in the office productivity area, at least...
 
This is the first time I've ever read about any company throwing out MS (other than Apple and I'm sure somewhere in Apple are a few PC servers)


-Eric

Well I'm not sure if this counts as a company, but in 2000 the US ARMY switched all of it's web servers over to OS X Server.
 
Whoa whoa whoa......

I'm confused. Let's see:

  1. Google is battling Apple at just about every aspect of their market - phones, Ads, Flash preferrence, etc... just short of computers.
  2. Made combative remarks against the company the once had an intellectual investment in.
  3. Now they want to change their enterprise PC systems to Mac?

What gives? :confused:

I guess you can't believe ALL that is said and done.

The "Bizzarro World" has moved into our dimension. :eek: Maybe.... Dick Cheney isn't 'Dracula' incarnate...

Upt! Nope ... still Dracula. :D
 
Several years ago the entire U.S. Army switched to Macs for security reasons.

http://www.mactropolis.com/apple-news/us-army-making-the-switch-to-apple-computers/

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/us_army_install.html

http://www.forbes.com/2007/12/20/apple-army-hackers-tech-security-cx_ag_1221army.html

My error, it was not U.S. Army wide as I incorrectly remembered. However it was to enhance security and that was long before Google got the memo.
 
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