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  1. Google is battling Apple at just about every aspect of their market - phones, Ads, Flash preferrence, etc... just short of computers.
  2. Made combative remarks against the company the once had an intellectual investment in.
  3. Now they want to change their enterprise PC systems to Mac?

What gives? :confused:
I don't believe their remarks about Apple were really combative. Competitive, sure, but they seemed good-natured enough. The critical comments were simply from a fundamentally different point of view than Apple's (i.e. closed systems versus open source). I don't think they've ever stated that Apple made terrible products or software.

Besides all that, isn't it just possible that they made this move because it was — objectively speaking — the smart thing to do, and not for any political ******** reasons?
 
Are you actually betting, as in real money? Because I would take you up on that and bet the opposite by a wide margin. According to the Google employees I know, there is widespread Mac love at the company.

I can second that. An old colleague is working for Google since 5 years as a lead developer and he is a 100% Mac OS X guy since the beginning. He only works on Macs. If he needs something else, he is using VMs.

groovebuster
 
Wow, really? Can you provide a link, please? (don't get me wrong, honest curiosity):)

It was more than 5 years ago. Can't seem to find a link but when you do a Google search (now that Google is the topic, LOL) you will see that NASA uses Mac OS X. They announced it on the news a long while back. They haven't completely dumped Windows, they just decided to do their testing using Mac OS X since it was more reliable and less maintenance. NASA did in fact say that they had too many problems with doing extensive testing using Windows and they couldn't afford to use it any longer for their testing that's ran over several weeks at a time. After switching they've reported that they've had great success with Mac OS X.
 
HA HA :D this is good news, I remember a few years back at school I once asked "How come we cant get Macs for the whole department?" The IT technicians guy response was "If we get macs us IT Tech's would be out of a job, because they dont develop nears as many problems as a machine running windows" :D
 
Its slightly odd how this was "announced", not a press conference or release, more like an official leak.
I cant imagine there are not plenty of windows machines at Google and Planned purchases into the future, Can you really develop and validate your code without it? the MS operating system still dominates the business market. Seriously, who is turning up to any sort of conference or meeting with presentations an anything other than PP. The company I work for is tied t it in so many different ways.
No doubt there is truth in this Google is positioning itself head on to MS and Apple these day's. but I think this is as much Mischief too.
 
Well, yes and no. Yes, IE6 was the point of penetration... but no, "Windows itself" ain't that robust: Seriously, read all that very carefully before firing back with a reactive response. (the OS is practically entirely dependent on the web interface for its security, as —internally —its underbelly is structurally relatively flimsy).

LOL Are you ready??

The key to understanding Windows rootkits is understanding that Windows rootkits don't have to 'get root'.

That is flat out wrong. Period.

A rootkit installs itself as a driver on any NT kernel systems. To do this however you have to be in the administrator group.

The issue is not the windows kernel or anything about windows actually. They problem is that all users, are by default, administrators. All the time. In vista they tried to fix this by having the UAC ... basically a program has to ask the user for administrative rights. Everyone bitched out this and turned it off. And then they complain when some spyware "on accident" takes over their computers..

That entire article is a buncha crap actually. It tries to explain it all by talking about unix file permissions. Unix has basically a 3x3 matrix for ever file on the computer. User, Group, Everyone by Read, write and execute. Windows NT has however access control lists. when are far far more more power than unix permissions. In windows, admins and specify PER-USER access controls. Example - Users have full control except for John who only has write control. Admins can read and write but not execute (security precaution), but user "jane" can also read the file. You cannot do this in Unix file system.

Unix systems have several ways to achieve this, such as su ('substitute user') and the even more effective sudo ('substitute user and do'). Users need not log in to Unix systems with the root account but can temporarily escalate to root status provided they are able to supply the proper credentials.

This reduces the risk of being the victim of a 'piggyback attack' - malware rides on the login account to do its dirty work.

Windows doesn't have a good way to do this. Windows doesn't have a secure way to do this. Windows doesn't have a viable counterpart at all.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL this is great ... again also not true. Idk about you but I kind prefer right clicking a program and selecting "run as administrator" over going into a terminal and typing out commands. Let me tell you ... much better than right click menus.


Oh and BSoD ... because macs never have kernel panics. It is just as easy to write a ****** driver for OSX and it is for windows.
 
We're still stuck with proprietary IE6 software, however
I know all to well about being stuck with IE6. :(

Viruses are what convinced my wife to switch. I pretty much left her laptop alone and she left my Mac alone until she got a couple of nasty ones that I had to clean up last year. After that all of a sudden she got really interested in that old dual G4 I was running, and it made it that much easier to convince her that it was time to get a new MBP :D.
 
I wonder why Google isn't using a real UNIX variant like Ubuntu Linux 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) for their development machines or for the computers at Google headquarters.

Mac OS X is as much "real UNIX" as Ubuntu Linux is. More so. Linux is "UNIX-like" by virtue of Linus Torvalds. Mac OS X is certified (for many years it was compliant, just not certified).
 
Linux is linux and Unix is Unix. You can't call it Linux if it has Unix core and vice versa can you?

I don't understand what it is you think I said. I didn't say that Linux was UNIX or UNIX was Linux, in fact I said the opposite. Somewhat mootly, as it turns out. I was also speaking in terms of degrees of separation, not specific componentry.
 
I see this as a mostly PR move too -- mostly due to timing. With Apple getting larger in capitalization then MS last week, Google saw blood and released this press announcement.

Also, if they want real security, there is Linux that you can tie down hard. Hell you can make a PC a web browser only machine if you feel that much need for security. Try that on a Mac or PC!
Right. You can use a distribution which has support for SELinux, and which has still a pretty nice GUI like the current Ubuntu version 10.04. And if you want a secure web environment on your Mac, you can install Ubuntu in a VM inside Virtual Box, VMware Fusion or Parallels.
 
This forum sounds like a soap opera. Stop personalizing these large and complex companies into opposite entities. Non-duality is the name of the game.
 
I don't believe their remarks about Apple were really combative. Competitive, sure, but they seemed good-natured enough. The critical comments were simply from a fundamentally different point of view than Apple's (i.e. closed systems versus open source). I don't think they've ever stated that Apple made terrible products or software.

Besides all that, isn't it just possible that they made this move because it was — objectively speaking — the smart thing to do, and not for any political ******** reasons?

Second that. There're mostly competing with Apple in the mobile arena anyway. Chrome OS is a whole another market; plus its not ready yet.
 
Given the type of people that work at Google, I am betting that most of them would choose linux over OS X.

GL

Since most of them were apparently using Windows before, I would tend to disagree with you.


Google is a very large and very successful firm. If they can ditch Windows, WHAT EXCUSE DOES YOUR COMPANY HAVE NOT TO DO THE SAME THING?

Bad PR indeed.

This is kind of funny. I wonder what kind of policies Apple has on this? Will Apple have more installed Windows users than Google?

Yeah, MBPs, Mac-minis, and iMacs. Not sure if they would really use the horsepower of the MacPros.... Is anything Google makes multi-core aware? :confused:

Google Rain. Google has a new product in beta that lets you control the weather, and it is multi-core aware.

"Google - Making it Rain since 2010."
 
Google develops web applications using Eclipse and Java.

It doesn't matter if they run Linux, Mac OS or Windows.
 
No.

Google has about 10,000 employees. The fact they're switching to a (largely) Linux/OS X combination is statistically insignificant, plus those systems are probably being monitored by a pretty good IT team.

OS X becomes a target when a billion consumers are users.

Crackers are interested in the low-hanging fruit.

That and despite people making untrue claims to the contrary that it is only sheer numbers that make Mac OS safer than Windows, that Mac OS is actually more secure.

The idea that no hackers would have seriously attempted to get into Mac OS after all this time in any serious way simply because of the number of users is silly. There are not 10 Mac Users, there are 10s of millions.
 
I wonder why Google isn't using a real UNIX variant like Ubuntu Linux 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) for their development machines or for the computers at Google headquarters.

I'm sure a lot of the devs use Linux. I did for some time. I swiched to OS X because the Linux GUIs are neglected, internally inconsistent, and pretty much just bites.

Sure, CLI is great but I get almost the same in OS X, and a GUI interface that is thought through. The universal keyboard shortcuts alone makes it worth it, IMHO.
 
Kinda interesting to me considering Apple and Google haven't been getting along well. Glad to see a mass purchase of Macs by the Google giant.

What do you think that whole Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt out in front of the coffee shop was about?!

Like Obama's "Beer Summit", this was the "Latte Summit"! :D

Or for you fight fans that remember the "Thriller in Manilla", this was the "Cappuccino in Cupertino"! :rolleyes:
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