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Google to Launch Music Service to Compete Against iTunes?
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It can, and it does.
I guess a childish concept of competition can lead us to believe that it is nothing more than pure rivalry. But competition is not exactly rivalry. Apple is, like any other public company in a capitalist market, driven by competition. Without competition there is no will to improve current products.
I recommend you read this, at least point 3.1.
http://www.unctadxi.org/templates/Page____5802.aspx
---Ah, I see where the problem is. Unfortunately, people have to be forced to treat customers well. All corporations are motivated by money, innovation is just a way for them to increase profit. Once you come back to the real world, perhaps we can have an adult discussion.
Of course not... but, should people from the other side spread FUD when they haven't even tried the product yet?
WORST TIME in history to open a NEW already overcrowded discressionary income music service
As the Depression deepens (job losses rise, mortgage defaults rise thru roof, rail, truck and ship transport of goods is down. BR on the rise
despite the push for a new real estate bubble to try to offload the huge inventory of housing it is a bad time to buy a house-expect vales to drop another 25%, recover VERY slowly and never again to their previous highs
2005 ARM reset in 2010 from 5%> ?% mean a huge new wave of defaults)
Sales are rising slightly -only because of steep discounts to liquidate excess inventory-and those WITH money are taking advantage-and once that excess inventory is gone-inflation
Many are starting to exhaust their final unemployment extensions
And now we are on the verge of a CRE Meltdown [Commercial Real estate]
as there is severe excess inventory-and many businesses cannot make the monthly rent
It is criminal to put out the message that 'things are looking better go ahead and buy a house'
It is sheer idiocy to open new music download service
Q:How long do you expect to have a job at full pay?
the corporate mainstream media is NOT telling the truth or at least ALL of it
Apple confounds the market-
those with money know value-and buy
those with little money shop carefully and have apparently decided that APPLE products are worth it still,
IF we were in good times-I think this would translate to APPLE sales and marketshare/stock to not be just "good" but to skyrocket
iTunes is so well established-that Google will be competing not against APPLE, but rather, Zoon (sic) Real player Amazon etc
oh and just so you know APPLE who is trying to be enviornmentally friendly-just pulled out of the US CHAMBER OF COMMERCE -as a many large businesses have recently because they refuse to support clean air, health care, workers rights and other things-and in fact are becoming very right wing;
And guess who has no plans to jump the USCOC ship?
MICROSOFT
As the Depression deepens (job losses rise, mortgage defaults rise thru roof, rail, truck and ship transport of goods is down. BR on the rise
despite the push for a new real estate bubble to try to offload the huge inventory of housing it is a bad time to buy a house-expect vales to drop another 25%, recover VERY slowly and never again to their previous highs
2005 ARM reset in 2010 from 5%> ?% mean a huge new wave of defaults)
Sales are rising slightly -only because of steep discounts to liquidate excess inventory-and those WITH money are taking advantage-and once that excess inventory is gone-inflation
Many are starting to exhaust their final unemployment extensions
And now we are on the verge of a CRE Meltdown [Commercial Real estate]
as there is severe excess inventory-and many businesses cannot make the monthly rent
It is criminal to put out the message that 'things are looking better go ahead and buy a house'
It is sheer idiocy to open new music download service
Q:How long do you expect to have a job at full pay?
the corporate mainstream media is NOT telling the truth or at least ALL of it
Apple confounds the market-
those with money know value-and buy
those with little money shop carefully and have apparently decided that APPLE products are worth it still,
IF we were in good times-I think this would translate to APPLE sales and marketshare/stock to not be just "good" but to skyrocket
iTunes is so well established-that Google will be competing not against APPLE, but rather, Zoon (sic) Real player Amazon etc
oh and just so you know APPLE who is trying to be enviornmentally friendly-just pulled out of the US CHAMBER OF COMMERCE -as a many large businesses have recently because they refuse to support clean air, health care, workers rights and other things-and in fact are becoming very right wing;
And guess who has no plans to jump the USCOC ship?
MICROSOFT
who cares
it's not gonna do much. free music is everywhere. plus competition only makes things stronger. i buy from electronic websites like beatport, trackitdown, audiojelly, djdownload... iTunes music is garbage, except for classic albums, of course.
it's not gonna do much. free music is everywhere. plus competition only makes things stronger. i buy from electronic websites like beatport, trackitdown, audiojelly, djdownload... iTunes music is garbage, except for classic albums, of course.
Can PRE owners use this to sync their "iPhone Killer"phone to make their precious POS work right?
You obviously didn't read the update about what this actually was.
I love your post for the typical macrumors rolleyes smiley. If MR got rid of that smiley half of the posters here would never return.
My Pre syncs just fine with iTunes. Does that anger you? I could also sync it with doubleTwist if I felt like it, but I'm used to using iTunes to manage my playlists so I'll stick with it for now.
The phone has it's flaws, but on the whole it's excellent. I'm begging you to ask yourself "Why am I so angry?"
Obligatory:
Wow.........just.....wow.
.....wow.
Did you know that Steve Jobs owns a unicorn? He actually invented unicorns, but that's neither here nor there.
Google is like my dog... can't stand still long enough to finish a poop without trailing off to trample the flowers... don't get me wrong, I love my dog and google is great but I feel like every time I sit down I read about yet another google project. IF they are doing a music service then it will take years! remember how long it took for Gmail to come out of beta... and what about Chrome for the Mac... seriously, how long does it take to build a web browser??
according to the AP, "Major recording companies -- including Vivendi SA's Universal Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment, Warner Music Group Corp. and EMI Group PLC -- pitched the idea to Google a year ago and are cooperating with the project, according to one person."
I don't know, why don't you try making your own web browser and then tell us? The open source project, chromium, now on version 4 I believe, is coming along pretty nicely. We have addons and can use user scripts now.
About gmail, well, gmail was great since the first day I tried it back in 2004 (I think). Still my main personal account is there, and they have been adding feature after feature over the years. The way I see it, they are still in beta or they've been off beta for a long time now. It's still the best free web based mail service out there.
You are comparing Google's projects to your dog's ****, which is um.... I don't know.
Apple: Hello RIAA, we have 70% of the music market. If you let us continue to sell songs for a buck, we'll make you more money than you can imagine. We'll do all the work, and distribution won't even cost you or your constituents a thing.
RIAA: Grumble grumble grumble... we don't wanna.
Apple: 70%...
RIAA: ugh. fiiiine. ...for now. I guess.
Apple: Songs are a buck!
RIAA: Well, that was successful. Now that everyone's using the service, we want more money.
Apple: Screw you guys...
RIAA: We'll pull the plug.
Apple: Ok ok wait, some songs can be more than a buck. But most stay at a buck. We'll boost the quality on our end and make it a decent value.
RIAA: Welllll...
Apple: 70%...
RIAA: I guess.
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RIAA: We want $2 a song.
Apple: But we represent ...40% of the music market and can guarantee you a lot of sales. Not as many as before, but a bunch...
RIAA: Sucks for you. We've got Google and a half a dozen other jokers just like you guys waiting in line at the door, eager to pay. Raise those rates or get out.
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Competition can be good. But it depends on who is doing the competing, and for what. When you've got someone negotiating on your behalf, giving them competition doesn't necessarily benefit you as the buyer.
RIAA: Grumble grumble grumble... we don't wanna.
Apple: 70%...
RIAA: ugh. fiiiine. ...for now. I guess.
Apple: Songs are a buck!
RIAA: Well, that was successful. Now that everyone's using the service, we want more money.
Apple: Screw you guys...
RIAA: We'll pull the plug.
Apple: Ok ok wait, some songs can be more than a buck. But most stay at a buck. We'll boost the quality on our end and make it a decent value.
RIAA: Welllll...
Apple: 70%...
RIAA: I guess.
---
RIAA: We want $2 a song.
Apple: But we represent ...40% of the music market and can guarantee you a lot of sales. Not as many as before, but a bunch...
RIAA: Sucks for you. We've got Google and a half a dozen other jokers just like you guys waiting in line at the door, eager to pay. Raise those rates or get out.
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Competition can be good. But it depends on who is doing the competing, and for what. When you've got someone negotiating on your behalf, giving them competition doesn't necessarily benefit you as the buyer.
Surprised the negative ratings? Why?
Why is anyone surprised? If everyone on this forum won a million dollars, there would still be people on here that would bitch and rate negative.
Why is anyone surprised? If everyone on this forum won a million dollars, there would still be people on here that would bitch and rate negative.
I don't either, but the RIAA lives in its own world where people will pay whatever they ask, or they will get the government to make you pay.
Just because you say so, doesn't make it true. I don't even care if the UN, in all their groupthink wisdom says so. In 1450, everyone just knew that the world was flat.
Profit does not necessarily equate to competing. That's just an assumption you made. Further, altruism is the opposite of profit, not of competition. I think Apple does it for the innovation (and the resulting profit).
You presume to know the motivation of Apple? Because there could be other, plausible, motivators, I say it wasn't necessarily competition. Perhaps it was to improve the consumer experience?
Competition didn't help lower price or improve quality at GM or at Merril Lynch.
And if Apple were competing, they would have already lowered their prices to match Dell or locked Microsoft out of their computers. They haven't (and likely won't) done either of these things. So I hold that Apple doesn't compete. If that's the case, competition is irrelevant to the discussion on this forum. Choice, on the other hand, is good for consumers.
But I've resigned myself to the chorus of "competition is good" and "me too" and "+1" that will unfailingly spring up on these forums every time a story is posted about another company offering a similar product or service to Apple.
Has anyone else noticed that when you go to http://www.google.com/music, which is the usual link style for Google, it comes up with a fake "404 Not Found" page? That probably doesn't mean anything in itself, but when you type anything else on the end, e.g. www.google.com/cars or www.google.com/peanuts, it comes up with an actual "page not found" page, with links and things.
To me that suggests that Google have at least thought about getting into the music market.
To me that suggests that Google have at least thought about getting into the music market.
Competition is good, but I'm not holding my breath. Virtually all of these services only work in the US.
There's clearly no sense in arguing facts with you because you'll just put your fingers in your ears and shout about teddy bears and gumdrops. So I'm not going to counter any of your points. I will, however, ask again for you to give me a legitimate example of when competition was bad for the consumer.
That was my gist way back on page one. As others pointed out, when that happens people go back to P2P. But the RIAA lives in a fantasy world where we are only one or two laws away from forcing everyone to pay whatever they determine is a fair price for music, and the faster they can break the distribution up so that Apple doesn't have leverage, the faster they can raise the prices.
Neither Apple nor Google will beat Beatport!
At what? Appealing to the least possible amount of musical tastes?
Partnership instead?
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtrader...azon-others-on-music-search/?mod=yahoobarrons
Looks like they are partnering not beating out.
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtrader...azon-others-on-music-search/?mod=yahoobarrons
Looks like they are partnering not beating out.
Competition is NOT always good; stop with the cliche!
Ok, I'll take this one, since I'm so sick of the mindless sheep on this forum constantly spewing cliches like "Competition is always good" without actually knowing what they are talking about...
* In the 1980's, competition from the inferior VHS format killed off the much superior Beta format (hurting many early adopters of Beta and consumers in general for having to adopt an inferior "standard".)
* In the 1990's the crappy Windows based computers killed off the superior Commodore Amiga and Atari Falcon computers (and almost killed off Apple who at that time plunged to a 1% market share!)
* Here in the 2000's, the crappy anemic Netbooks have hurt the sales of far better Notebooks in the Windows world (luckily, it hasn't hurt Apple Notebook sales which is why Steve Jobs doesn't want to get into/contribute to the crappy cheap Netbook market.)
And on and on and on. Being a Musician myself, I can very well tell you that competition from cookie-cutter, bubble-gum Major label acts are BAD competition because indie musicians have no hope to compete AT ALL. Look at the ridiculous Grammy Awards and the people who win that year after year... they certainly are not the best or most innovative artists. I guarantee you that for every Grammy winner, I can name 10 innovative indie artists that blow them away, but due to competition (from the Major record labels) the indie artist has nearly no chance of getting the recognition that the Major label artists have.
I can literally list a hundred more examples of how competition has killed off much better products and hurt consumers; from the early years of the car industry up to the 1990's when the first real viable electric car was killed off, to the medical, pharmaceutical and bio-tech industries, to the Television industry and how the crap Reality Shows have caused the cancellation of many good, critically acclaimed shows... and again, on and on and on...
So, sorry you young little kiddies but, competition isn't always good. It's a big misconception that has now turned into a cliche that kids like you blindly spew forth when you have nothing better to contribute.
EDIT: And oh, it was competition that just recently destroyed the American Economy... Anyone that blindly claims that "Competition is ALWAYS good", is an ignorant fool.
Ok, I'll take this one, since I'm so sick of the mindless sheep on this forum constantly spewing cliches like "Competition is always good" without actually knowing what they are talking about...
* In the 1980's, competition from the inferior VHS format killed off the much superior Beta format (hurting many early adopters of Beta and consumers in general for having to adopt an inferior "standard".)
* In the 1990's the crappy Windows based computers killed off the superior Commodore Amiga and Atari Falcon computers (and almost killed off Apple who at that time plunged to a 1% market share!)
* Here in the 2000's, the crappy anemic Netbooks have hurt the sales of far better Notebooks in the Windows world (luckily, it hasn't hurt Apple Notebook sales which is why Steve Jobs doesn't want to get into/contribute to the crappy cheap Netbook market.)
And on and on and on. Being a Musician myself, I can very well tell you that competition from cookie-cutter, bubble-gum Major label acts are BAD competition because indie musicians have no hope to compete AT ALL. Look at the ridiculous Grammy Awards and the people who win that year after year... they certainly are not the best or most innovative artists. I guarantee you that for every Grammy winner, I can name 10 innovative indie artists that blow them away, but due to competition (from the Major record labels) the indie artist has nearly no chance of getting the recognition that the Major label artists have.
I can literally list a hundred more examples of how competition has killed off much better products and hurt consumers; from the early years of the car industry up to the 1990's when the first real viable electric car was killed off, to the medical, pharmaceutical and bio-tech industries, to the Television industry and how the crap Reality Shows have caused the cancellation of many good, critically acclaimed shows... and again, on and on and on...
So, sorry you young little kiddies but, competition isn't always good. It's a big misconception that has now turned into a cliche that kids like you blindly spew forth when you have nothing better to contribute.
EDIT: And oh, it was competition that just recently destroyed the American Economy... Anyone that blindly claims that "Competition is ALWAYS good", is an ignorant fool.
Can't wait....
I just can't wait for Google to start charging for their stuff!
I for one would never submit my credit card information to Google, because they already know to much about me!
I just can't wait for Google to start charging for their stuff!
I for one would never submit my credit card information to Google, because they already know to much about me!
