Google to Launch Siri Rival Soon?

[Oletros]

Oh, to the first person on this thread to call me a fandroid (Like in every other thread), grow up. You don't need to own/love/worship Android to point out the lies and useless criticisms.

Excuse me? I haven't called fandroid to you. I was saying in a sarcastic manner that perhaps Bigboss is a fandroid even if he said that SBSettings came after.

 

[aerok]

Excuse me? I haven't called fandroid to you. I was saying in a sarcastic manner that perhaps Bigboss is a fandroid because he said that SBSettings came after.

No lol, that was not meant for you, it was meant for the future poster that will come out of nowhere to say I'm a fandroid.

 

[inkswamp]

Wrong, is the NATIVE notification system. Have you used the SDK?

I give up.

You probably should give up, unless you have conclusive proof that Google developed this concept. You claim that the notification list was in the Android SDK in Dec. 2007, and yet I've provided a video directly from Google from Nov. 2007 where they're unveiling a new SDK feature for notifications that is simply an icon in the status bar that pops up a balloon with a notice in it. That's quite a different feature than a list of notifications and runs counter to your claim. I'm open to further evidence if you have it, but questioning my experience with the Android SDK borders on an ad hominem response so I'm assuming you don't have any such evidence and want to change the subject.

Have you actually used that intelliscreen app? All it does is aggregate notifications on the lockscreen. That's it.

It shows a compiled list of notifications which is, more or less, what we're talking about it. My contention is that the notification list is not an idea that originated with Google, but rather one of those ideas that sort of emerged (as ideas often do in the tech world) from the ether and that Google was the first to see how useful it would be and incorporated it into their platform.

The bottom line: there were concepts of a notification list floating around before Google saw it and implemented it. It's not a Google idea. I will stand by that statement until someone can show me evidence to the contrary. I'm not holding my breath.

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I think you'll find that the homescreen notifications on the iPhone pictured there was a modification made (not just unlocked) by a jailbreaker. IIRC the ability to inject code into the homescreen was there, but there was no content for it. It was used eventually to display push notifications and missed call history. Apple most certainly didnt get there first. You have to remember that when the iPhone came out, that was going to be it. No extra apps were ever on the table. Steve actually hated the idea of an AppStore, but caved when others started doing it.

To reiterate, I'm not interested in defending Apple or claiming that Apple or Google got their first. I think those kinds of arguments are asinine and pointless.

What I'm responding to is the repeated claims that Google invented the notification list concept. I have provided evidence that the idea for a notification list on a smartphone was out there floating around in various forms prior to its arrival in the Android SDK. I have seen no evidence to counter that. As a result, I conclude that Google took the concepts that were out there and implemented them in Android. They may have been first to do so, but they did not originate this concept.

 

[Oletros]

You probably should give up, unless you have conclusive proof that Google developed this concept. You claim that the notification list was in the Android SDK in Dec. 2007, and yet I've provided a video directly from Google from Nov. 2007 where they're unveiling a new SDK feature for notifications that is simply an icon in the status bar that pops up a balloon with a notice in it. That's quite a different feature than a list of notifications and runs counter to your claim. I'm open to further evidence if you have it, but questioning my experience with the Android SDK borders on an ad hominem response so I'm assuming you don't have any such evidence and want to change the subject.

And I have provided a video from the Android SDK beta in Frebruary 2.007 showing the pull down notifications

Ad hominem attack? I have used that SDK, I have said you that that were the NATIVE notifications and you say no. Have you used the SDK to claim that or you just deny because you want to deny=?

It shows a compiled list of notifications which is, more or less, what we're talking about it. My contention is that the notification list is not an idea that originated with Google, but rather one of those ideas that sort of emerged (as ideas often do in the tech world) from the ether and that Google was the first to see how useful it would be and incorporated it into their platform.

No, a compilation of information in the lock screen has nothing to do with the notification system in iOS, webOS or Android. And even funnier, is a thing that has been using on WM programs from SPB or HTC.

The bottom line: there were concepts of a notification list floating around before Google saw it and implemented it. It's not a Google idea. I will stand by that statement until someone can show me evidence to the contrary. I'm not holding my breath.

The bottom line, the PULL DOWN notification system was released on Android before SBSettings (the one that started the pull down menu on iOS) was released.

And even if IntelliSync was a pull down menu, they were shown at first on May 2.008, AFTER the SDK had the notification pull down system

To reiterate, I'm not interested in defending Apple or claiming that Apple or Google got their first. I think those kinds of arguments are asinine and pointless.

If you're not interested you try hard to prove the contrary. Denial mode?

 

[inkswamp]

And I have provided a video from the Android SDK beta in Frebruary 2.007 showing the pull down notifications

You showed me a video from Feb. 2007 that showed an icon in the status bar that popped up a balloon. Perhaps you posted the wrong video?

Ad hominem attack? I have used that SDK, I have said you that that were the NATIVE notifications and you say no. Have you used the SDK to claim that or you just deny because you want to deny=?

Again, you're questioning my experience and motives which are irrelevant. I'm just asking for evidence that the drop-down notification list in Android pre-dated these other concepts floating around. I have yet to see it.

If you're not interested you try hard to prove the contrary. Denial mode?

Cute, but stop trying to make me the subject. I've been calmly asking for evidence to support the claim that Google invented the drop-down notification list and have seen none. If you have to resort to questioning my character, I'll assume you have no evidence to offer.

 

[aerok]

Cute, but stop trying to make me the subject. I've been calmly asking for evidence to support the claim that Google invented the drop-down notification list and have seen none. If you have to resort to questioning my character, I'll assume you have no evidence to offer.

There is no legal way to get the Android 1.0 SDK, would you finally give in if I showed you a video of pull-down notification on an Android 1.1 SDK?

Edit: Not even sure if I can use 1.1 on the SDK. I'll check it out tonight.

 

[Oletros]

You showed me a video from Feb. 2007 that showed an icon in the status bar that popped up a balloon. Perhaps you posted the wrong video?

Sorry, February 2.008, and no, the video is this, the same I have posted before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-YcGNyJds

Pull DOWN, not ballon

Again, you're questioning my experience and motives which are irrelevant. I'm just asking for evidence that the drop-down notification list in Android pre-dated these other concepts floating around. I have yet to see it.

No, you said that that video showed a 3rd party app, so I ask you. Have you used the SDK to say that?

Cute, but stop trying to make me the subject. I've been calmly asking for evidence to support the claim that Google invented the drop-down notification list and have seen none. If you have to resort to questioning my character, I'll assume you have no evidence to offer.

Invented? They didn't invent a pull down system. The only thing proven is that they developed it BEFORE a 3rd party developer in iOS as you are claiming.

Edit: Not even sure if I can use 1.1 on the SDK. I'll check it out tonight.

Yes, you can, is the older version you can install

 

[aerok]

You showed me a video from Feb. 2007 that showed an icon in the status bar that popped up a balloon. Perhaps you posted the wrong video?

Sorry, February 2.008, and no, the video is this, the same I have posted before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-YcGNyJds

Pull DOWN, not ballon



No, you said that that video showed a 3rd party app, so I ask you. Have you used the SDK to say that?




Invented? They didn't invent a pull down system. The only thing proven is that they developed it BEFORE a 3rd party developer in iOS as you are claiming.




Yes, you can, is the older version you can install

He keeps asking for evidences yet he has nothing to show that a third party had the notification thing before Android did.

Before asking, find some on your side, Olestros won't contest if you show concrete evidence of your claims.

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Yes, you can, is the older version you can install

So it is easy to verify if the pull-down existed. Any non-believers should try it then. Very easy to install on OSX.

To nkswamp:
No the SDK does not come with third party apps, so the pull-down is part of Android.
You obviously never used Android, it is really pointless for you to argue on a products feature. How the hell would you even know?

 

[dethmaShine]

Excuse me? I haven't called fandroid to you. I was saying in a sarcastic manner that perhaps Bigboss is a fandroid even if he said that SBSettings came after.

I have one of my posts here dating back a couple of months I believe where I point out articles dating back to July/October 2007 showing SBSettings.

First version of SBSettings may well have been released in 2008 but it was back in 2007 when it was first revealed. Let me look at my post history.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

So frankly, to equate those ads with Google is plain delusional. This is pure Verizon. Hate on their marketeers, not on Google.

Relax, man. Jeebus. Instead of delusional, it's just an honest mistake. I also do not hate on google. I love the ads and the thought put into getting Lance Henrikson was slick.

 

[batchtaster]

If it's anything like YouTube's "Transcribe" feature, Apple's got nothing to worry about. And we've got plenty of funny to look forward to.

 

[Oletros]

I have one of my posts here dating back a couple of months I believe where I point out articles dating back to July/October 2007 showing SBSettings.

First version of SBSettings may well have been released in 2008 but it was back in 2007 when it was first revealed. Let me look at my post history.

Have you found the articles? Do we have to tell Bigboss that he was wrong about his program?

 

[RoboCop001]

Would that also apply to this forum???
We are having a blast communicating with each other in a 'safe environment'; otherwise we may be fist fighting with each other when we don't agree on something.

I would say that computers have improved our chances to communicate with people that otherwise would be unreachable.

Haha, I think in the perfect world it would apply to any form of communication that doesn't involve being in the presence of someone.

So even snail mail would apply! haha. They're just spouting nonsense because they are don't want to admit they're impressed. Which is fine, they're a competitor. But come on!