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Anyone who understands that information can be abused.

I'll go a little further.

More and more people are moving the line of privacy. The truth is - the further you move it - they harder it is to ever get it back. That's why it's probably more important - even if you agree or not with privacy laws and investigations - to be on the side of caution/be "pro"
 
I'll go a little further.

More and more people are moving the line of privacy. The truth is - the further you move it - they harder it is to ever get it back. That's why it's probably more important - even if you agree or not with privacy laws and investigations - to be on the side of caution/be "pro"

Good post. This is lost on most; same goes for rights in general. We don't necessarily have something to hide. We have something to lose.
 
Those are the people that enforce laws, prosecute Google, bring them to justice, and prevent them from repeating their crime. Of course they should be paid for their works, shouldn't they?

Yes, after a $17m fine I'm sure they'll be loath to try anything else in the future. :rolleyes:
 
Not at all. It's called perspective.

Perspective would be the realization that the NSA built an entire data center in Utah to parse through this supposedly "secure" Google data ("business models", "misappropriation", and "best interests" nothwithstanding):


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Perspective would be the realization that the NSA built an entire data center in Utah to parse through this supposedly "secure" Google data ("business models", "misappropriation", and "best interests" nothwithstanding):


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The NSA is also after Apple, Yahoo, Amazon, etc. This doesn't support your argument against Google nor does it prove I'm any sort of apologist. :confused:
 
Where do people come up with these ideas? I'm pretty sure you were joking (please sweet Jeebus tell me this person was joking). If you weren't joking there is something fundamentally wrong with your though process.

Google got fined for circumventing Safari security and placing cookies on web pages. You do realize this is about ads right?

Bolded: Pretty myopic view. So your answer is to punish everyone. To what end? So people who depend on Google services to make a living should put their lives on hold so a point gets proven? Also y...

PSA announcement: I realized I have been typing a response to a hyperbolic post that should have just languished and died. Seriously though about deleting my post but let this serve as a warning. Do not get sucked in.:eek:

I am sorry. Our coffee service did not deliver this morning and I am PO'd.

Where I live, if pubs sell to underage drinkers, this is what happens, they are forced to shut for up to a week.

The reality is, if this were an option, the likes of Google would damn well make sure they did not infringe. Think of this as being a corporate version of the death penalty.
 
I don't want money, never said I did. I just don't see why the government would get money from it. Especially with the size of the fine. $17 million fine to Google is nothing more than a parking ticket to the average joe. Depending on the data Google got its hands on before they had to stop they may be able to use that to make the money back. I feel if you are going to fine companies of their size, at least make it hurt a little bit.

Well, the fine money has to go somewhere. I don't know what the violation is exactly, so I don't know what the fine should be. If they're trying to make sure Google did not profit from it, scale it. $17M seems too low. Otherwise, the US government doesn't normally scale fines to the violator's income, not that I agree with this.

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At least if it wasn't a Chiasmus. :D

It's a Zeugma, too.
 
Uh huh..

If i understand cirrectly, "Google not only violated our orivacy, but our trust."

We all know ads can be out on any sit.... The advertising is tracking us from site to site of that sane ad,,,,, this is done behind-the-users back.

Maybe Apple better fight then.
 
I recently got a pretty fast cable modem of 30-40 Mbps, and I've been depressed over and over to see the page itself load fast. Then various ads come in at different times from many different servers, and I can't imagine who designed this crap system. HTML 5 and CSS are wonderful. You can look precise and as well-designed as a glossy magazine. With a fast connection you get the picture and the main text in seconds. Bang. And then, for the next 20 seconds, one ad pops in. Another one pops on and the page dances up and down. You can't possibly read the text for 20 seconds or so. It makes you nervous. When it eventually settles down, it's okay. I've used an adblocker in the past, and I may soon put one in again.
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Google..er..search.. for "Lifehacker adblock router" get a tomato or wwdrt router and you can set it up to block all ads from ever reaching your home. All ads are banned on my computers, ipod touch, apple tv, etc.
 
Google are still doing insidious stuff. For instance, today I found that even though I'd logged out of my Gmail account, when I attempted to log in to another Gmail account, I was prompted to enter only my password for the previous account. If I wanted to log in to a different account, I now only have the option of "Adding" an account. Total BS. After the YouTube-G+ crap and forcing playstore users to associate their G+ accounts with reviews etc - not to mention their "how high" attitude to the NSA - I say screw you Google.

$17million's nothing, not even a slap on the wrist. What a joke.
 
If you want money, you sue Google or join a class-action against it. Besides, Google's violation doesn't really hurt any users; it's just illegal and wrong.

Wrong. Google invaded the privacy of thousands of citizens. That's illegal as well as a breach of trust and confidentiality. Harm was done, although not financial harm.

If a pervert goes and "peeks" at your daughter through her bedroom window (at night), would you say that he didn't really hurt her? Well, technically he never stole any money from her. She did not lose any monetary value. So where is the harm? The HARM is that her privacy was violated!

In the case of Google, what they did is illegal and wrong. It's hard to determine what is a fair "monetary punishment" here, I agree. But the punishment should be large enough to deter and discourage Google from doing this again in the future.
 
Wrong. Google invaded the privacy of thousands of citizens. That's illegal as well as a breach of trust and confidentiality. Harm was done, although not financial harm.

If a pervert goes and "peeks" at your daughter through her bedroom window (at night), would you say that he didn't really hurt her? Well, technically he never stole any money from her. She did not lose any monetary value. So where is the harm? The HARM is that her privacy was violated!

In the case of Google, what they did is illegal and wrong. It's hard to determine what is a fair "monetary punishment" here, I agree. But the punishment should be large enough to deter and discourage Google from doing this again in the future.

Spying doesn't hurt users. Being revealed as a spy to the more sensitive users does ;)
Kinda like all those sensitive people I hurt saying "he" instead of "he/she" in sentences.

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Apologist, much?

Yeah, but not disagreeable this time. But he always defends Google. I'll bet he even uses Google Plus... WILLINGLY! :O
 
Are they supposed to pay us the consumers instead of Apple? I mean, we are the one whose privacy got jeopardized... aren't we

This is how I would have handled the case as Judge and Jury:

Google, you are guilty, what you did was illegal and unethical, pay so-and-so millions of dollars as your punishment.

(Google forks over $17 million).

Apple, here is $17 million dollars. The Court instructs you to use this money in only one way, and one way alone. Improve your Safari browser security and your OSX and iOS user data security, so that evil imps like Google won't be able to breach and exploit the data of your customers in the future. This money will be set aside for only that specific use. It cannot be used for any other purpose. The Court will set aside a trust fund to make sure you appropriate the money properly.

The Court deems that using the money this way will be long-term beneficial to Apple's customers.

Case is closed!
 
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