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...at least you're self aware.

You automatically proclaim something is dead despite having NO CLUE what that unannounced product is. THEN you automatically assume the reason Apple can come to an agreement is because they want more money.

Were you there during the negotiations? NO

Speculation is fine but don't talk as if you personally work for Eddie Cue and no whats going on when in reality...you don't. Hence your tripe was/is just as useless as my 'useless comment'

Speculation and 'Critical Analyses' aren't the same thing. Until iRadio AND Google's service are both announced, you can't do the latter only the former.


His post contributed much more to the conversation than yours, which basically does nothing but complain about another post you find useless.

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His post contributed much more to the conversation than yours, which basically does nothing but complain about another post you find useless.

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Really? it just sounded like an anti-Apple/pro-Google post about nothing.
 
Only takes me a matter of seconds, to purchase a track on iTunes after hearing it on Spotify.

But Spotify is not a part of iTunes. That is the whole point. This is why Apple is rushing for their iRadio service. Offering it as a single solution is certainly advantageous.

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AAC > MP3 for music. It stores better quality in the same file size. Besides, if you're going for the album, CDs are cheaper. I can't believe the iTunes Store used to use MP3s. Horrible.

99% of people don't care about file size or bitrate. I'm pretty sure most people are happy with the 320 kbps mp3 files they get from Google Music.
 
But Spotify is not a part of iTunes. That is the whole point. This is why Apple is rushing for their iRadio service. Offering it as a single solution is certainly advantageous.



Exactly - same holds true for Amazon and Google.

Who cares that similar services exist? Ecosystems all would benefit from having a streaming service that also gets people to make purchases
 
But Spotify is not a part of iTunes. That is the whole point. This is why Apple is rushing for their iRadio service. Offering it as a single solution is certainly advantageous.

I was under the impression that iRadio will be a paid subscription service? I do not see how that would be advantageous over a free Spotify account. It would not be so to myself, as clicking on another App to purchase takes no time at all.

Slightly off topic, will Apple now seek to ban this App and steal it's name [in the UK at least]?

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/iradio-uk-free*/id491998442?mt=8
 
9.99 a month. Launches today.

Start a trial by June 30th, and you'll get $2 off each month.

US only now - other locations coming soon

eta: no discussion on whether you can listen offline.
 
Just saw it on the Google I/O feed; $9.99/Month. Pretty much the same as Spotify. But it didn't say anything about downloads or offline functionality...
 
This is going to make Spotify s$% bricks.
The demo was pretty cool too.

I liked that it builds a playlist and then you can swipe away songs you don't want to listen to. Spotify doesn't have that correct?

Although if you can't really listen offline - not sure how excited I'll be.
 
Until Rdio does me wrong, I will stick with them. However, they are increasingly frustrating me with them making albums in my collection "unavailable".
 
But Spotify is not a part of iTunes. That is the whole point. This is why Apple is rushing for their iRadio service. Offering it as a single solution is certainly advantageous.

I don't see the advantage. If you have a track/album on Spotify why would you want to go buy it on iTunes. Same track/album, same quality. Complete waste of money. I use Spotify to discover new music then I go buy the CD if I like the album enough.

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99% of people don't care about file size or bitrate. I'm pretty sure most people are happy with the 320 kbps mp3 files they get from Google Music.

I hear this comment a lot but it's just not true.

According to the The British Phonographic Industry & Nielsen US in 2012 digital downloads accounted for just 30% of all albums sold in the UK and 37% of albums sold in the US. In both countries one the biggest rises was in the sale of Vinyl records. Yes Vinyl.

A lot of people over the age of 21 do care about music quality.

Source: http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ompany-Billboard’s-2012-Music-Industry-Report
 
the record labels get 70% of the revenue from streaming.

For example: Spotify pays 70% of their revenue to the record labels. That's why scale is required.

That's what I figured.

So even though the revenue from streaming may be greater than the revenue from downloadable sales... the profit from streaming is non-existent.

In other words... it looks like selling music is a sustainable business... while streaming music is not (at the moment)

I wonder how long Spotify can continue... especially since Google can afford to take a loss on a service like this.
 
I don't see the advantage. If you have a track/album on Spotify why would you want to go buy it on iTunes. Same track/album, same quality. Complete waste of money. I use Spotify to discover new music then I go buy the CD if I like the album enough.

You don't see the advantage? Not everyone has a Spotify account. But everyone has a iTunes account so when iRadio hits iOS, it will certainly get a bigger adoption rate and it is easier for users to make purchases.
 
nice story, dude. when did you get inside the minds of apple execs?

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what fantasy. nobody is out classing apple, nor out performing at the global level -- especially since google and amazon can't sell in nearly as many countries as iTunes.

but I'll give you that others are out hyping.

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omg...if google docs is out of your park, I don't want to step foot in it!

sorry but apple is still the leader of the pack. the others follow its every product move and step. clone, clone, clone.

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he doesn't come across angry at all. he's stating, in simple programmer terms, that rumor is not fact. that is a fact.

you don't need to be in their heads. Actions speak louder than words. Nice try though :rolleyes:
 
You don't see the advantage? Not everyone has a Spotify account. But everyone has a iTunes account so when iRadio hits iOS, it will certainly get a bigger adoption rate and it is easier for users to make purchases.

Why would you want to purchase the track/album in iTunes when you already have it in your streaming library? It makes no sense. iRadio will be about as much use as iTunes Genius is. Complete waste of time.

If I have Spotify I don't need iTunes. That's the point your missing. Buying compressed music from iTunes is a dead duck when you can stream all the music you can ever want in the same quality for a fraction of the cost. The operative words there being "a fraction of the cost".

I bet 90% of those people downloading iTunes content are not downloading music anymore. It's apps, books, new films, etc.

Apple has failed to stay ahead of the curve on this one and they are going to have to do something different if they want to compete in music going forward. iRadio is simply an attempt to shore up an out dated business model in the hope that it can continue to generate profits for a while longer. It's not new, it's not innovative and it's not going to work.
 
Why would you want to purchase the track/album in iTunes when you already have it in your streaming library? It makes no sense. iRadio will be about as much use as iTunes Genius is. Complete waste of time.

So Pandora is dead as well? Just because it doesn't fit your use case doesn't mean anything. What you are confusing is iRadio will most likely have a free version. This would entice lots of people to purchase songs since with iRadio you can't play specific songs.
 
Yes, i use Netflix and I like it. The difference I personally see is that with Netflix I use it through Apple TV meaning that i stream from an unlimited home broadband and not use my mobile data! It works better with Netflix as movies usually are expensive to buy on Blue Ray or a digital format from iTunes. Songs on the other hand take only around 3.5mb space and cost as little as 69P (maybe even less)

Wasn't aware pandora is free. Is that a radio service (on wich case I would be absolutely not interested) or is a streaming music library?

It's basically a radio service... random mix of songs, up to five skips per hour. There are paid versions to remove ads, and maybe skips. For what it's worth, Pandora seems to have the most efficient compression algorithms in my experience. It's only going to use up a couple dozen megabytes per hour, as opposed to other services I have tried which use hundreds. Also, something you are forgetting, there are plenty of people who are on unlimited data plans on various different providers. I was never trying to convince you to like or use the service(s). You stated you don't understand why anyone would use them. Hopefully that question has now been answered for you. :)
 
Why would you want to purchase the track/album in iTunes when you already have it in your streaming library? It makes no sense. iRadio will be about as much use as iTunes Genius is. Complete waste of time.
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Since you live in UK, you are aware that mobile phone operators (except maybe Three) offer limited mobile data? 1GB or 2GB per month mostly! So you would rather use that data allowance streaming music on the first 10 days? I do purchase only music I like and i know it's mine, stored in my device so I can listen to it whenever and wherever I wont without having to worrey about mobile coverage or data usage! I think that is the reason people like to buy their own music.
 
Since you live in UK, you are aware that mobile phone operators (except maybe Three) offer limited mobile data? 1GB or 2GB per month mostly! So you would rather use that data allowance streaming music on the first 10 days? I do purchase only music I like and i know it's mine, stored in my device so I can listen to it whenever and wherever I wont without having to worrey about mobile coverage or data usage! I think that is the reason people like to buy their own music.

There is a little thing called offline mode where you actually download the song to your device and you can listen to it whenever and wherever you want
 
There is a little thing called offline mode where you actually download the song to your device and you can listen to it whenever and wherever you want

Geniuos! One problem out of the way! How about thousands other new songs that I try? Will they eat my data? I do it with TubeBox everyday (can watch the video to) through wifi conection and when i say believe me there is almoust any song that was ever recorded. And i don't have to subscribe to it!

Will that replace my own music library? Never!
 
...at least you're self aware.
Are you self-aware that all you do is to post emotional and personal responses, instead of posting something relevant that adds anything to this discussion at all?

I said that my words are pure speculation (which should be pretty obvious, since iRadio isn´t officially released, yet) based on the marketing name iRadio and the fact that Apple obviously wants to direct more sales towards their iTunes music store and therefore it makes sense that they don´t compete with their own offerings. Also, why should Apple need to compete with Spotify, when they have the largest music catalogue? They don´t. They have completely different selling models and iTunes is a lot more profitable than Spotify, already.

And from my perspective, iRadio is already dead as I see no use for it. There are countless digital radio stations, why should I use iRadio? What is the incentive?

If you´re not able to refute some of that or post some of your opinions on this and instead only want to attack people on forums, you wasted your time, because I stand by what I said. And I am also completely free to word my sentences the way I like. I certainly seem to have sparked your interest, which was my intention.
 
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