Google Unveils New Flagship Pixel 5 Smartphone With 5G and $699 Price Tag

[PickUrPoison]

Devs can’t get around limitations of the OS. Or at least not without Apple stepping in and punishing them.

As for sticking to an older phone, there are plenty of reasons to get a newer phone besides raw processing power. Camera and display improvements, battery life, etc. my 7 Plus does everything I need it to, but I do still wish the camera was a lot better.

There are some very powerful apps available for iPhone/iPad, maybe the limitations don’t actually limit developers much?

Towers will always be more powerful than all in ones, which are more powerful than notebooks. Then there are tablets, then handhelds, then wearables. But in a few years handhelds will be as powerful as notebooks are today.

re: phone features, if you want the latest camera, you have to buy the latest phone. But if it only has the processing power of a 3-5 year old iPhone, you’ll be severely restricted with respect to what apps will run well. But 3-5 year old apps will still run fast.

 

[boss.king]

There are some very powerful apps available for iPhone/iPad, maybe the limitations don’t actually limit developers much?

Towers will always be more powerful than all in ones, which are more powerful than notebooks. Then there are tablets, then handhelds, then wearables. But in a few years handhelds will be as powerful as notebooks are today.

I feel like you didn’t even read what I said before writing that.

 

[kevinws]

Who wants a 4.7 inch, 1334 x 750 pixel phone in 2020?

I do I want something that I can answer a text, check a task or calendar item, listen to music, and have a few basic apps. The rest of the time it will be in my pocket. It is exactly what I want and the price is right for my needs. That's why I am picking one up next week.

 

[PickUrPoison]

I feel like you didn’t even read what I said before writing that.

Yes I feel the same way.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Who wants a 4.7 inch, 1334 x 750 pixel phone in 2020?

Whoever wants one will buy one 🤷‍♂️ Apple originally expected 40 million units to be sold in the SE’s first year.

But the pandemic has driven sales of lower-priced phones, so that number might be 50-75 million, who knows. So somewhere between approximately 5 to 10 times Google’s Pixel.

 

[CJ Dorschel]

To this day not a single iPhone with an OLED display (X, XS, 11 Pro) has used an LG Display. It's been all Samsung. The iPhone 12 6.1" is the first OLED iPhone rumored to get an LG Display.

Whoa! I stand corrected. So what happened?!? Did all that work with LG on in-house display development and manufacturing just fall to the side?

 

[CJ Dorschel]

$275 for an OLED screen? Nah.

More like $75. IHS Markit priced the entire assembly at $110, including the panel itself, force touch sensor, polarizer, touch sensor and the Corning front cover glass.

it’s been three years but I’ll have to find the information but yes Samsung did charge Apple $275 per display. That’s why the iPhone X cost $275 for display repairs and that’s cheap as it covers the labour. I know this firsthand as I had friends who worked for Apple during the iPhone X development process as that occurred over a 4 year period. Originally Samsung had agreed to a much lower price point for the displays but a year before launch they renegotiated and Apple was forced to acquiesce otherwise they would have had to delay the launch of the iPhone X which was a big redesign. There were no other OLED manufacturers to use especially on such a grand scale. And that is the primary reason why Apple has been seeking to make their own displays ever since.

iPhone X screen repair: $275

Apple's new $1,000 iPhone will cost a pretty penny to repair.

pressfrom.info

another link to an article on Samsung’s profits for the iPhone X:

Samsung could make $22 billion from OLED displays for the iPhone X

The iPhone X is a big success for Apple, but it's also a major win for Samsung Display, which builds the phone's screens.

www.digitaltrends.com

 

[PickUrPoison]

it’s been three years but I’ll have to find the information but yes Samsung did charge Apple $275 per display. That’s why the iPhone X cost $275 for display repairs and that’s cheap as it covers the labour. I know this firsthand as I had friends who worked for Apple during the iPhone X development process as that occurred over a 4 year period. Originally Samsung had agreed to a much lower price point for the displays but a year before launch they renegotiated and Apple was forced to acquiesce otherwise they would have had to delay the launch of the iPhone X which was a big redesign. There were no other OLED manufacturers to use especially on such a grand scale. And that is the primary reason why Apple has been seeking to make their own displays ever since.

iPhone X screen repair: $275

Apple's new $1,000 iPhone will cost a pretty penny to repair.

pressfrom.info

another link to an article on Samsung’s profits for the iPhone X:

Samsung could make $22 billion from OLED displays for the iPhone X

The iPhone X is a big success for Apple, but it's also a major win for Samsung Display, which builds the phone's screens.

www.digitaltrends.com

Just because Apple charges $275 for a single replacement screen doesn’t mean that’s it’s unit cost to purchase a couple hundred million of them. You’re also ignoring the fact that the panel is only one component of the display assembly.

iPhone X Costs Apple $370 in Materials, IHS Markit Teardown Reveals - Omdia

Teardown engineers at IHS Markit (Nasdaq: INFO) have completed their preliminary physical dissection of the new Apple iPhone X and found that the model A1865 version of the smartphone with 64 gigabytes (GB) of NAND memory carries a bill of materials (BOM) of $370.25.

technology.informa.com

 

[smulji]

Whoa! I stand corrected. So what happened?!? Did all that work with LG on in-house display development and manufacturing just fall to the side?

It all comes down to trying to meet Apple's quality and quantity demands which LG apparently could not meet.

May 27th, 2020

LG Display is under Tremendous Pressure to Deliver Quality OLED Displays for Apple's iPhone 12 or Risk Losing Business to China's BOE

Last week we reported that a Korean supply chain report noted that It had been decided that Samsung Display and LG Display would supply flexible OLED panels that will go into Apple’s next generation iPhones. Today a new report out of Korea notes that LG is under tremendous pressure to perform...

www.patentlyapple.com

July 28th, 2020

The rumor/news of LG supplying Apple with 20 Million OLED displays for the iPhone 12 resurfaces

The rumor/news of LG supplying Apple with 20 Million OLED displays for the iPhone 12 resurfaces as this was covered in two previous Patently Apple reports

www.patentlyapple.com

There were also reports of Apple trying to secure a 3rd OLED supplier in BOE Displays for this year but that's been delayed until next year

China's OLED Display Maker BOE will have their B11 Production Line, known as the 'Apple Line,' Ready for business in H2 2021

A Korean report published last week stated that during BOE's conference call last week a company executive let if be known that the Chinese company was aiming to ship over forty-million flexible OLED display panels by the end of 2020. More importantly, the company is hoping to work with Apple...

www.patentlyapple.com

 

[citysnaps]

Apple needs to cut down on all the iPhone models, its ridiculous and they obviously cant keep up with all of them, that's why the iPhone is so late this year and people are switching and getting other phones.

Really? In large numbers that make a difference? Any links to support that assertion?

 

[redbeard331]

You can not be serious in comparing the Pixel 5 to the iPhone 11 Pro Max. Not sure what else to say here except lol. Thanks for the laugh.

You’re welcome!

 

[CJ Dorschel]

Just because Apple charges $275 for a single replacement screen doesn’t mean that’s it’s unit cost to purchase a couple hundred million of them. You’re also ignoring the fact that the panel is only one component of the display assembly.

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iPhone X Costs Apple $370 in Materials, IHS Markit Teardown Reveals - Omdia

Teardown engineers at IHS Markit (Nasdaq: INFO) have completed their preliminary physical dissection of the new Apple iPhone X and found that the model A1865 version of the smartphone with 64 gigabytes (GB) of NAND memory carries a bill of materials (BOM) of $370.25.

technology.informa.com

Breathe. Relax. Take a breathe.

I'm not here to debate something as ludicrous as iPhone displays in the grand scheme of our lives. You are looking at an invoice from a British research and analysis firm that doesn't reflect the actual price of each display paid by Apple. Apple does not provide actual price paid for numerous reasons, most notably are tax incentives, and third parties estimate figures based on other factors. I'd go with the information I know direct from Apple. Additionally, IHS Markit is a third party assessor whose primary focus is on the oil and gas industry.

To your point, it is illogical Apple would charge $275 for a display repair with AppleCare when the iPhone X first launched if the displays were less than half the costs of Samsungs displays.

Most importantly, again, I know first hand from those who worked on the iPhone X redesign. I even provided links and have plenty more.

Honestly, there are more important things in life than arguing over how much an iPhone display cost that it's not worth arguing over what amounts to an ego trip so I'll leave it with:

You are right. I am wrong. I am always wrong and you will always be right. Forever. No sarcasm. I'm being sincere.

Ok? Great! Have an amazing day, mate!

Lord, looking back on this thread, you're going after people over the most ludicrous points and your tone is incredibly disrespectful. In retrospect, I will be avoiding discussions with you.

 

[farewelwilliams]

In all fairness, pastels were Google's thing way before they were Apple's thing.... and the Chromecast W/Google TV leaked 8 months ago in those colors. Hard to say they copied a color pallet that was unviewed a few weeks ago when we saw it pushing a year ago.

So the interface design that Apple used that literally copies YouTube TV's interface in dark mode Google copied from Apple???? With about 4 others using something similar before Apple as well?

This is a bit of a stretch.

Can you post links of Google's interface before Apple TV? I don't know what interface you're referencing.

 

[Gix1k]

I ordered one to be in line in case they sell out. Will be in preorder still when the Apple event happens.

Here's my thing, most that argue Apple's processor runs circles around the others don't do anything but make calls and text. Just an argument tactic.
The absolute ONLY reason I have stayed with iPhone is because 93% of my family use it and it's just easier to communicate. I paid $1300 for my 11 P Max and $751 after tax for the Pixel 5. I have to ask myself is the iPhone 12 going to be worth double the price!?
Also, I'm a mask wearer and FaceID sucks now. I certainly need a big wow factor to cancel this order and go with iPhone 12.

 

[PlasmStudios]

Funny how people are praising this phone here but the Android subreddit and Twitter is taking a dump all over it. Thought I'd never see the day

 

[novakk86]

that took Apple 3yrs (4yr if you start from the 6S) not 1.

iPhone 6S, 7, X & 8, XS

meaning more developers got on board and more people got used to using it daily.

 

[ani4ani]

Sorry to ask, but this site is named Mac Rumors. Why are Google product announcements appearing here?

Why are Apple phones, speakers, watches and headphones discussed on here...mad in it!

 

[The Game 161]

Funny how people are praising this phone here but the Android subreddit and Twitter is taking a dump all over it. Thought I'd never see the day

Because for the price point there are better options on android for the price.. Camera wise it's top tier but even the 4a is

 

[doboy]

Neither does facebook, microsoft or other apps on your iphone do.

If you don't want to get tracked, don't use a smartphone

Except Android OS itself is the tracker whether you want it to or not. At least with Apple, iOS system is not a tracker and I can choose what to avoid.

 

[Moyapilot]

Except Android OS itself is the tracker whether you want it to or not. At least with Apple, iOS system is not a tracker and I can choose what to avoid.

The landscape has changed, and these companies, especially Google, is in the spotlight and have been super transparent about what they track.

I’m an Android phone user from the beginning, and honestly I’ve never had an experience of being hacked, or felt I was being targeted. But now they let you opt in or out of basically everything. Laws and EU policies are likely to thank for this.

I have had very strange experiences with Facebook though, and have creepy advertising targeting me after just talking privately about things (or so I thought).

Yes, I admire Apple for privacy, but they’re not a “good guy” either. None of these large trillion dollar corporations are guiltless, and each have their caveat.

Pixel phones are great, and I love the value to features ratio. Google Maps, Assistant, Youtube, Chrome are so perfectly integrated that they are a joy to use. Got my Pixel 3a for $235 brand-new unlocked in December of last year and it absolutely suits my needs.

So what’s my point? Stop being paranoid people. Pixel phones and Android software have come a looong way on the privacy front. You can access, view, and delete any and all of your history on Google services now.

 

[ksgant]

iPhone killer! The price doesn’t seem so bad.

you forgot the /s mark for this obvious sarcastic post.

 

[ksgant]

The landscape has changed, and these companies, especially Google, is in the spotlight and have been super transparent about what they track.

I’m an Android phone user from the beginning, and honestly I’ve never had an experience of being hacked, or felt I was being targeted. But now they let you opt in or out of basically everything. Laws and EU policies are likely to thank for this.

I have had very strange experiences with Facebook though, and have creepy advertising targeting me after just talking privately about things (or so I thought).

Yes, I admire Apple for privacy, but they’re not a “good guy” either. None of these large trillion dollar corporations are guiltless, and each have their caveat.

Pixel phones are great, and I love the value to features ratio. Google Maps, Assistant, Youtube, Chrome are so perfectly integrated that they are a joy to use. Got my Pixel 3a for $235 brand-new unlocked in December of last year and it absolutely suits my needs.

So what’s my point? Stop being paranoid people. Pixel phones and Android software have come a looong way on the privacy front. You can access, view, and delete any and all of your history on Google services now.

No matter what Google allows you to turn off in their system, they still have telemetry on you at all times. It always phones home. This is in their TOS, and yes, they are very up-front with you that they are looking over your shoulder all the time. Hey, some are fine with that. I'm not. I've divorced myself of all things Google, and Facebook and other "free" services. Hey, if that's paranoia, so be it. I'm not missing much.

 

[Moyapilot]

No matter what Google allows you to turn off in their system, they still have telemetry on you at all times. It always phones home. This is in their TOS, and yes, they are very up-front with you that they are looking over your shoulder all the time. Hey, some are fine with that. I'm not. I've divorced myself of all things Google, and Facebook and other "free" services. Hey, if that's paranoia, so be it. I'm not missing much.

Yep, and I respect that. I just think Pixel phones are fairly harmless now. Now you have to opt into things, as opposed to being put in without consent. Apple had employess listening to people‘s conversation with Siri too, and that was highlighted on this website I beleive. And apps were reading things from the iOS clipboard, so basically everthing you ever typed was being transmitted to these companies. This is still happening, but with IOS14 Apple finally lets you know when its happening.

Privacy using smart devices is a bit of a fantasy IMO.

However, I would worry about some 3rd party android phones though, and the skins they put on the OS. Pure Android is a fully open OS and its code is available for all to see, and if their is anything nefarious they will raise the alarm bells. 3rd party software can put in things of their own. So I stick to Pixel phones now.

But my wife is all iOS, phone and ipad, and thats what I get for her. Each has their pros, and her iPhone is a fantastic piece of kit.

 

[doboy]

The landscape has changed, and these companies, especially Google, is in the spotlight and have been super transparent about what they track.

I’m an Android phone user from the beginning, and honestly I’ve never had an experience of being hacked, or felt I was being targeted. But now they let you opt in or out of basically everything. Laws and EU policies are likely to thank for this.

I have had very strange experiences with Facebook though, and have creepy advertising targeting me after just talking privately about things (or so I thought).

Yes, I admire Apple for privacy, but they’re not a “good guy” either. None of these large trillion dollar corporations are guiltless, and each have their caveat.

Pixel phones are great, and I love the value to features ratio. Google Maps, Assistant, Youtube, Chrome are so perfectly integrated that they are a joy to use. Got my Pixel 3a for $235 brand-new unlocked in December of last year and it absolutely suits my needs.

So what’s my point? Stop being paranoid people. Pixel phones and Android software have come a looong way on the privacy front. You can access, view, and delete any and all of your history on Google services now.

Of course you can’t expect any company to “good.” I’m mainly pointing out the differences in the business model between Google and Apple.

 

[miftahulamin21042003]

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