most would say just use any existing app (whatsapp/telegram/messenger etc) they work just fine
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Google Urges Apple Not to 'Drop the Ball' on Fixing Messaging in New Billboard Pushing RCS
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This. Particularly with ADP, I don't believe that the security is there yet. ADP is a game changer and I do not trust Google (or others) security.
Many people have been asking for ADP-type things for years and Apple deserves a lot of credit for implementing it despite the pressure from the statists not to do so. Google, Microsoft etc need to step up.
Bingo with the that first line! It is hilarious to me that Google is trying to attack Apple into RCS when sure RCS as a whole just based on different protocols that can be used, but Google really wants their protocol to be used. The other companies that support RCS pretty much just does that Support it, you can quickly find problem reports between like Samsung messages communicating with Google messages and whatever other messages that support RCS and most of what I could find people say just use Google Messages. So just as you said, Google is trying to basically be iMessage for Android, but taking it to another level by trying to get in on iPhone users also. If Google really cared about you being able to send your loved one a not grainy image or video they could have figured something out, but with the advertising market being so large in the U.S. (and other countries of course) they want to ability to target advertise you so personally that the advertisers will know you better than your loved one.
It is compared to SMS/MMS, which can essentially be sniffed plaintext. RCS does at the very least have encrypted transit. That‘s exponentially more secure.
with the exception of group messages. The only thing I could find is that group message E2EE is in beta
RCS and Google RCS are not the same thing, the latter is not official nor is it a standard, official RCS is not encrypted
Would really love to understand how this actually causes harm to consumers. Not trying to be argumentative. I genuinely don't see how there is actual harm happening. So Android text messages don't look as good as Apple Messages. Do they get sent and received? Do they somehow get garbled in the process? I have never had an issue with it. There are plenty of other options that are available to people (WhatsApp, FB Messenger, etc.) So why should Apple spend a single dollar to "fix" a problem that is not really an issue for the vast majority of users?
You do know that Google killed Hangouts, which could have solved their problem, instead of bitching to a regulator hoping for market interference by government meddling.
Apple developed iMessage internally, and then rolled it out to their customers.
Google could do the same thing, but are more interested in moon shotting some neat idea only to kill it two years later.
This standard Google stands behind is also lacking key things iMessage has, so why would Apple want to implement a backwards standard? Also, why would I want a government agency in control of how a company encrypts my messaging? Governments have no vested interest in privacy, in fact the opposite. They want to know everything you are doing.
So, forcing Apple into a third party messaging client with untrustworthy motives makes no sense to me, and in fact would drive me to ask Apple to give me a toggle DISABLING the functionality if I so CHOOSE, since these regulatory bodies are so obsessed with choice in the market. Same with a third party App Store, I want a CHOICE to BLOCK them and disable them entirely if I desire. I don't want a security issue on my phone just because some moron would prefer a third party get the 35% cut rather than Google or Apple, and that third party may be allowing governments or corporations access to your data in return for subsidies.
I couldn't care less about market pressure. Just because many of my friends watch Game of Thrones doesn't mean I have to, nor does it mean I have to enjoy it. Kids who did drugs in high school didn't turn out any better or worse than me on average, so giving in and doing drugs as part of peer pressure made no sense then, and just kowtowing to Android BECAUSE IT IS THE DOMINATING PLATFORM OK is just market peer pressure.
And what is Google trying to do with RCS? Force WhatsApp and Telegram into an international standard that gives them a lazy cheat in catching up to others who have CLEARLY outmatched Google's own talent.
I had a boss once tell me that "The easiest way to market with a mediocre product is to complain to the regulatory body about unfair entry to market, rope your competitors into a government mandate or international standard, and then slowly lower the standards and watch your competitors product diminish in capability." Wanna see an example of this? Microsoft and Windows. Until Linux finally shot its shot, it looked like Microsoft was just gonna run away with the market on all technology. "You do know there is an entire planet outside the US where Windows is more or less the dominant force?"
So, Google can be a monopoly to Apple and force it to adopt its own internal platform because Android is the DOMINANT force? That sounds like a monopoly, bud.
Apple didn't demand Google adopt iMessage.
Linux never once complained of monopoly. It just made a superior product. And then Apple turned around, quit bitching, and left Microsoft and then eventually Google in its dust. Telegram and WhatsApp are laughing at RCS, no intent of ever adopting it. Facebook won't even bother with Messenger. So, that's the top four messaging apps right there telling Google to take their whining and SHOVE IT
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Sms doesn't give you a delivered response, you technically don't get a sent response but if there is a problem sending you normally get an error within some minutes. But there there is a big but with that I have had issues where something happens to the sms message never actually getting delivered and not getting an error that it wasn't sent. Not defending RCS or anything, but I have had sms messages basically get garbled in the process or delivered hours or sometimes a day or so later than i sent
RCS requires a data connection. It does fallback to SMS. But in my experience, that fallback is extremely clunky and unreliable, and sometimes results in a message that simple doesn't send.
While SMS is definitely insecure, people forget about the fact that you don't have to have a data connection to send via SMS. So if you're stuck out in the middle of nowhere and have at least basic coverage (i.e. no, or useless data), you can still get a message sent via SMS. To me that's actually a valuable "feature" of SMS.
Lol or let iMessage die which is by all accounts a failed messaging standard that's not a standard. RCS is a worldwide industry agreed upon standard the same as SMS. So nice try.....
Fan, not fanboy. Focus on what you know and be respectful to people you speak to.
Seriously? Apple has outright admitted it's for profits and nothing more.
There are no security issues with RCS, the messages are encrypted the exact same as iMessage.
rcs is not a world wide standard its barely used
Then please enlighten me to the pros of iMessage or do let me know what balls Google needs to focus on 🤔Fan, not fanboy. Focus on what you know and be respectful to people you speak to.
RCS is not encrypted, Google RCS uses a propriety addon that enabled encryption they are not the same thing
It's the standard every manufacturer has agreed to, every carrier in the US has agreed to and it's endorsed by 3GPP. iMessage has none of these
One it's something being tested that's added into the app itself. Two any company can easily add encryption to their version of RCS. However as we are seeing Google's version is quickly becoming the standard
into the App? RCS is based on protocols there is no RCS app so unless you mean encryption being added to the protocol of the messaging app that has RCS enabled sure but this goes with your point two. Sure Companies can "easily" (how ever you define easy encryption) add encryption to their RCS protocol so why hasn't this been done? Why is even Google struggling to get encryption with group messaging? it has been in beta for months and prior to even a beta it took a long time to even get single E2EE. The carriers don't want the burden and the additional expense unless their customers demand it, Carriers supporting RCS is different than actually operating their protocol version and why should Apple create their own protocol for RCS when they have basically had their version of RCS (iMessage) for many years now. Google is the one trying to play catch up and trying to make others look like the bad guy when if they just stopped canceling messaging platforms and actually building them maybe things would have been different
I don't care about the pros or cons of iMessage — it's there and I'm happy to use it, as it's native. I'm happier using Telegram because of it's video memos. Google could focus on Chrome not being a ram hog, could focus on a decent phone, could focus on the aesthetics of their suite, could attempt to make Gmail tolerable. The list goes on. I'm not saying Apple does everything perfectly, but the don't seem to be spending their time attempting to highlight other's failures. Which to me, means they are spending their time focusing on their tech.
Delayed delivery/garbled would seem to be a carrier issue, not a messaging app issue?
Correct, but sms goes though the carriers, sorry I should have added that the delayed delivery/garbled sms message is an issue somewhere in the Carrier side, but I think it has something to do with how Carriers handle sms because I have seen and heard of issues with all of them so it isn't just one Carrier having the problem.