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RCS is not SMS like, but it can fall back to SMS - the world surely hasn’t moved on, only Europe, and only because they trust Meta to be the arbiter of all of their messaging…which is definitely not a basket I’d put my eggs in.
I've traveled a lot internationally and SMS is a US/Australia phenomenon, otherwise it's dead. Coincidentally those countries have a very high iOS market share, so it's actually iMessage in most cases, which makes the traditional SMS even more dead.

The specific app differs per region, for example in Europe, India and South America you'd use WhatsApp, in Russia you'd use Telegram, in China you'd use WeChat etc.

The only SMS I receive are automated messages from companies.
 
Actually I don’t know what you meant cause you completely used a wrong protocol so I’m not certain YOU knew what you meant lol.

Gam standards have been around for over 2 decades almost 3. I get many in the USA are not familiar to them as many have been on Verizon’s old CDMA tech when global competitions standard gsm was used. It was the same for Canadian’s on MikeNet which became Telus and Bell Mobility - again long before converting to WCDMA THEN HSPA and LTE etc form there.

Even gsm core carriers shunned standard core end user dialing codes.

Name me 5 mobile OS for smartphones in use today by 4 major manufacturers with global reach and shipping devices. I’ll wait until 10yrs from now. And not niche products please. That’ll not satisfy your cross platform device of choice.

WhatsApp came to fame long before iMessage or signal due to fighting BBM on blackberry. I don’t see the same issue that occurred with BlackBerry’s BBM and BBOS/BB10/Blackberry AndroidOS happening to Apple’s iOS and iMessage. Time will tell though.
Ok buddy :)
 
As defined by the Universal Profile (version 2.5 from 16th October 2020, the last version I bothered downloading). Feel free to sign up and download the most recent whitepaper on the gsma site yourself: https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/rcs/universal-profile/
A profile that hasn’t been updated since 2020. That’s forever in internet time. ALLLLmost like they’ve entirely given up on improving/promoting the tech.
 
I've traveled a lot internationally and SMS is a US/Australia phenomenon, otherwise it's dead. Coincidentally those countries have a very high iOS market share, so it's actually iMessage in most cases, which makes the traditional SMS even more dead.

The specific app differs per region, for example in Europe, India and South America you'd use WhatsApp, in Russia you'd use Telegram, in China you'd use WeChat etc.

The only SMS I receive are automated messages from companies.
I do always enjoy reading about messaging around the world. :) The best chance anyone really has at making RCS a thing lies in your last sentence. Currently, the bulk of the money carriers make from SMS are from some business application to the customer (the carriers don’t give them an ‘unlimited’ plan :)) If anyone can get carriers to implement RCS, it’s those businesses driving them to implement it because they want to provide read receipts, response notifications, and send larger files to their customers.

Unfortunately for those that want to see RCS become a thing, messages like “Your pizza is ready for pickup” aren’t messages that are materially improved by them adopting the features above (no large files required, the company doesn’t have to get a read receipt as you’ll either come pick it up or not, and a customer would have to be watching their phones screen continuously in order to see the automated system start to “type” by which time the message is coming over). Which is why businesses are using, and won’t soon switch away from, SMS.
 
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2 years (and 3 months) isn't "forever" in Internet time. Besides, the quality of a specification isn't measured by how often it is updated.
It is, though, because those updates indicate a level of maintenance that’s required for anything today. That would be like Microsoft not having released ANY updates to Windows since October 2020.

According to the RCS specification update history:
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
-then-
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018…

And the RCS Universal Profile history
2016
2017
2018
2019…

Quite an active update schedule right up to 2019. Almost just like they stopped working on it. Which they have.
 
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It is, though, because those updates indicate a level of maintenance that’s required for anything today. That would be like Microsoft not having released ANY updates to Windows since October 2020.
You're missing the fact that the most popular desktop OS is not, in fact, the same as a pdf document describing a specification
 
You're missing the fact that the most popular desktop OS is not, in fact, the same as a pdf document describing a specification
Actually, if we think about it critically, wouldn‘t you think that the spec should be updated to maybe provision E2EE as an optional feature if they are serious about it? Service providers can monetise E2EE to claw back their investment don’t you think? At least it will motivate service providers to hop on.

As it is now, only Google benefits from RCS. I don’t see anyone else providing service benefits them.
 
You’re missing the fact that RCS is a dead technology?

Moving the goalposts, I see


Actually, if we think about it critically, wouldn‘t you think that the spec should be updated to maybe provision E2EE as an optional feature if they are serious about it? Service providers can monetise E2EE to claw back their investment don’t you think? At least it will motivate service providers to hop on.

As it is now, only Google benefits from RCS. I don’t see anyone else providing service benefits them.

I mean, there's nothing stopping individual providers from providing their own encryption mechanisms
 
I mean, there's nothing stopping individual providers from providing their own encryption mechanisms
This means capital investment and testing, as opposed to just using standards based solution. You seriously think that any service provider will do it, when almost none are rolling out RCS as per GSMA specifications?
 
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This means capital investment and testing, as opposed to just using standards based solution. You seriously think that any service provider will do it, when almost none are rolling out RCS as per GSMA specifications?
None are rolling out their own RCS implementation, but technically they are using an RCS implementation, namely Google's. However, nothing's stopping someone from implementing their own.
 
The grass is begging to be touched.

RCS has more than half a billion users. It grew faster than iMessage did and is catching up to its userbase quickly due to Android / Google having more potential reach.
RCS is dead. Google RCS, which is the trash the GSMA threw out and forgot about with non-GSMA approved additions (non-GSMA because the GSMA, you see, haven’t made any formal additions/updates in years) is what you may be referring to. And still, FAR fewer messages than WhatsApp (that won’t change) and SMS (that, too, won’t change) and several other messaging applications.

And WhatsApp and SMS actually has the benefit of being cross-platform.
 
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RCS is dead. Google RCS, which is the trash the GSMA threw out and forgot about with non-GSMA approved additions (non-GSMA because the GSMA, you see, haven’t made any formal additions/updates in years) is what you may be referring to. And still, FAR fewer messages than WhatsApp (that won’t change) and SMS (that, too, won’t change) and several other messaging applications.

And WhatsApp and SMS actually has the benefit of being cross-platform.
You guys are too stuck up about Google RCS.
RCS is literally meant to be individually advanced by individuals via its plugin modularity. Every addition Google made to their flavor of RCS is just that, an addition that only works when the other party has the same additions in their client. If you text a non-Google RCS user all these additions are turned off (e.g. E2EE) if that client doesn‘t also support the functionality.

There‘s nothing stopping Apple from making a barebones UP2 RCS implementation via their own hub, interconnecting that with Jibe and being a new form of green bubble that lacks all the bells and whistles that Google added to their implementation.
 
You guys are too stuck up about Google RCS.
RCS is literally meant to be individually advanced by individuals via its plugin modularity. Every addition Google made to their flavor of RCS is just that, an addition that only works when the other party has the same additions in their client. If you text a non-Google RCS user all these additions are turned off (e.g. E2EE) if that client doesn‘t also support the functionality.

There‘s nothing stopping Apple from making a barebones UP2 RCS implementation via their own hub, interconnecting that with Jibe and being a new form of green bubble that lacks all the bells and whistles that Google added to their implementation.

As an Apple consumer, I don't need nor do I care about RCS. Sidebar, that Google cape looks nice on you!
 
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You guys are too stuck up about Google RCS.
RCS is literally meant to be individually advanced by individuals via its plugin modularity.
It’s literally meant to be a carrier technology, exactly like SMS and MMS. A few carriers around the world have adopted it, nowhere near even half. Google’s not a carrier. They’re, at best, an MVNO (as GoogleFi, operating over T-mobile and U.S. Cellular networks) and as an MVNO, they use those carrier’s SMS networks, as one would expect. They’re NOT using those carrier’s RCS networks as they don’t exist. T-mobile uses Google RCS, not RCS.

I don’t doubt that there are a few people in the US, that absolutely refuse to use the myriad number of ways to send messages to people using a different phone OS. And, if this was

2014 or 2015 or 2016 or 2017 or 2018,

back when I was closely following the tech and anticipating what it would be like when the US carriers would implement it, I’d think it was on it’s way. In 2023, the time has past and that number of folks that care strongly about it are shrinking each time an Android user in the US downloads and starts using WhatsApp or Signal or any of the other ALREADY popular services with an enormous number of users compared to Google RCS.

Might something carrier based and cross platform come about in the future? Maybe? But I’m thinking it’s unlikely as the entire world would need to see a reason for adopting it. For now, I’m not certain that a few million slightly annoyed Americans is enough for the entire world to update its cellular infrastructure.
 
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Does anyone know which way the money is flowing when Google implements Google RCS for a carrier? I’m guessing the carriers are paying Google. Which means IF Apple’s marketshare in the US continues to grow, the carriers would likely pressure Google to lower their service charge during any renegotiation.

Yet another reason why it feels that Google is desperately trying to accomplish a thing that won’t happen. It’d be just another hit to their bottom line.
 
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I really can't believe people here are actually dumb enough to believe the nonsense which is most of this thread's content.

Apple has a history, leading all the way up to today, of not being compatible with anyone else unless at least one of two factors is in play:

1. There is too much industry demand to ignore it; and/or

2. It's fundamentally baked into a given piece of technology they've chosen to use.

Even Microsoft (of whom I am no defender) is more willing to accept bridges of compatibility.

Apple lost the dominance fight in the ultra-portable OS space (think tablet and smartphone) and is nowhere even remotely close. Frankly, Apple should be genuinely ashamed and embarrassed since they effectively started the modern era of smartphones.

There's no question Google and the rest of Silicon Valley are data whores; but people trying to act like Apple is some shining white knight are about as ignorant as folk trying to defend Trump, or Walker. Get a clue already, folks. Geez.

People who are genuinely interested in privacy and security use Signal or Telegram. I would add PureOS and the Librem 5 to this list, but it's not yet mature enough (by a very, very long way) to be objectively viable.

At least Google doesn't limit us to what hardware we can get or that we can interface with.
How exactly did Apple lose the dominance fight int he ultra-portable OS space? Would love to hear your justification for that statement. Sure, there are more Android devices, but what has Apple lost? Certainly not profit. Isn't that really the measure to look at? People don't pay for Android because it is inconsistent and fractured. So vendors have to add their own bloatware to a phone or tablet to differentiate it from everyone else's bland device. Apple on the other hand makes billions of dollars EVERY YEAR by selling devices that offer a great user experience with far better security than Android and some level of future-proofing. So in the dominance category, I say Apple is the real winner.
 
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How exactly did Apple lose the dominance fight int he ultra-portable OS space? Would love to hear your justification for that statement. Sure, there are more Android devices, but what has Apple lost?
The numbers related to ultra-portables always exclude iPads, which are the ultimate ultra-portable. If those numbers were included, Apple’s running away with that market. All together, they sell more than Apple, but, individually, Apple ships more iPads than anyone else sells laptops.
 
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Lol or let iMessage die which is by all accounts a failed messaging standard that's not a standard. RCS is a worldwide industry agreed upon standard the same as SMS. So nice try.....
Erm, sweetie, nope... all those closed siloes are awful. I ignore iMessage as I know virtually noone that has iPhone and uses it... I do all my Chatting on Telegram/Whatsapp 🤷‍♂️

As for RCS... there was (and still is) already awesome messaging standard, that Google was using - XMPP. It was internet based, didn't require operators interop and WasJustWorking and was interoperabla and open... but then google decided it's better to create their own silo. So now we have gazzilion of IM applications all incompatible and googel is pushing RCS which is sms (that I think noone is using nowadays except for the folks in the US) on steroid but with the caveat that... it's completelly controlled by google and requires google servers... so again - Gooogle can eff-off...
 
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