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And who’s fault is it if chromium based browser will dominate on iPhones as well? Safari is awful, it’s criminally behind in complying with many HTML5 features because apples wants you to download apps from the App Store, it doesn’t want you to use web apps.

Web Apps - so agree.
You’ll also find that Safari is built to help battery life. Chrome is not.
 
This is about Apple's ability to monitor privacy, and I'm all for that. Google is in the business of collecting and selling my personal data and privacy. Apple makes money by selling me services and hardware. I prefer Apple's business model. I support their ability to build a walled garden. I freely choose to use it.

The WSJ reported that between 2016 and 2018, Apple came to Facebook with a proposal that would give Apple a cut of Facebook's ad revenue. Zuckerberg and Google rebuffed Apple's revenue-sharing proposals, and Apple embraced "privacy forward" branding about a year later. Of course, we all know what happened: Apple kneecapped the big advertisers with ATT and is doubling down on its own ad business.

Apple doesn't care about monitoring privacy, they care that money is being made and they aren't getting their cut. The way they operate is increasingly anti-competitive and I'm glad to see governments intervening.
 
No drama, Google are just probably preparing ahead for Apple’s restrictions being lifted:


Essentially, if these changes are implemented, it would make iOS more macOS like, giving users more choice & freedom. Security could be an issue, but hey, we can choose what works best for us and Apple could still put warning pop-ups.
macOS is already the new Vista so it's not a big change really!
 
All the same, if that is what people want they should be able to choose it. After all they did buy the device.
Then you don’t understand your average iPhone purchase, their will install chrome because their have heard it’s better or are familiar with it on a desktop or laptop and when their notice their new or present iPhone is getting hotter, slower and battery doesn’t last as long as prior their will cry afoul that Apple is to blame with the new OS update and it’s forced obsolescence. Just like the crowd that howled about Flash not being supported on iPhone. Sorry but just like Flash, Chrome should be laid to rest or rewritten.
 
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My opinion is that this requirement by Apple was not worth it from the start, competition benefits us customers.
I think this is likely to be a serious issue. The problem isn't so much top level browsers like Chrome, it's also-rans and companies embedding engines like Chrome in apps.

Because you can bet a lot of those apps will never update. Now, what, Apple has to track what apps use which versions and delist them when vulnerable?

There are a lot of things Apple may be forced to do that only really impact developers directly. Like I care if my app is re-signed and made available on another store that pays someone else (not me), but you probably don't until I discontinue the app because I can't compete with my own app. But this feels like a pain everyone will bear.
 
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Then you don’t understand your average iPhone purchase, their will install chrome because their have heard it’s better or are familiar with it on a desktop or laptop and when their notice their new or present iPhone is getting hotter, slower and battery doesn’t last as long as prior their will cry afoul that Apple is to blame with the new OS update and it’s forced obsolescence. Just like the crowd that howled about Flash not being supported on iPhone. Sorry but just like Flash, Chrome should be let to rest or rewritten.

Safari is limited functionality, good privacy, great battery - all in a Apple World
Chrome is great functionality, great security, RAM hog - in any OS it is allowed in

Your average user will just use the default browser unless they run into something that triggers a change.
 
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Safari is limited functionality, good privacy, great battery - all in a Apple World
Chrome is great functionality, great security, RAM hog - in any OS it is allowed in

Your average user will just use the default browser unless they run into something that triggers a change.
Have you tried Orion browser it’s Safari with Chrome extensions support.
 
Safari is limited functionality, good privacy, great battery - all in a Apple World
Chrome is great functionality, great security, RAM hog - in any OS it is allowed in

Your average user will just use the default browser unless they run into something that triggers a change.
Remember that this is asking for no default apps to be installed or basically the option to remove them. Think of the setup process taking a new come down the path of confusion.
Would you like to use the official AppStore to install apps or another, would you like a selection of web browsers to choose from and make one your default and please select which source you would prefer to download it from. Think of this for every pre-installed app.

I cannot even delete the default Samsung apps from a Samsung device.
 
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No, it's not. It basically takes Chromium, developed by Google, adds uBlock Origin plugin by default, adds some ******** crypto shitcoin, and then markets it as some privacy browser.

Only the gullible believe that crap.

Wrong. I can browse even the shady TV streaming sites and never get a single pop up. Ads before YouTube are blocked… There’a a YouTube video downloader built right into the browser…many of their options are muxh better than Safari on iOS. And I also use Opera, Aloha, Firefox, Firefox Focus, Chrome…and Brave is by far the best. Blocks everything 🙌🏼
 
This is about Apple's ability to monitor privacy, and I'm all for that. Google is in the business of collecting and selling my personal data and privacy. Apple makes money by selling me services and hardware. I prefer Apple's business model. I support their ability to build a walled garden. I freely choose to use it.
I used to believe that as well. Then Apple gave the CCP 270 billion in a secret deal. Some of it was cash, some of it was technology. They also agreed to build a iCloud data center in China and all Chinese iCloud users data would be stored there. They then gave the encryption keys the CCP.

What did Apple get? Access to the Chinese markets to sell more of their stuff. I have zero faith in Apple and my privacy. It is a marketing bullet point for Tim and crew.

I honestly do not care anymore. I can't stop any of it. I can put little road blocks in the way, like using a PieHole, running Ublock and other plugins, but heck my CC company or cell provider probably sell all of my activity data to the highest bidder.
 
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Remember that this is asking for no default apps to be installed or basically the option to remove them. Think of the setup process taking a new come down the path of confusion.
Would you like to use the official AppStore to install apps or another, would you like a selection of web browsers to choose from and make one your default and please select which source you would prefer to download it from. Think of this for every pre-installed app.

I cannot even delete the default Samsung apps from a Samsung device.

On the Android side I currently use a OnePlus 10 Pro. A good portion of my apps come from outside the Play Store. There are a lot of great apps that for whatever reason are not allowed in the Play Store.

Anything from OnePlus I don’t want if unable to uninstall I can disable and lock.
Haven’t looked at what it would take to do this on a Samsung device - last time was the Note 5 - been a while. That is something I do not have to consider at the moment. On that side, Edge is my current browser. FF is my alternate browser.
 
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Wrong. I can browse even the shady TV streaming sites and never get a single pop up. Ads before YouTube are blocked… There’a a YouTube video downloader built right into the browser…many of their options are muxh better than Safari on iOS. And I also use Opera, Aloha, Firefox, Firefox Focus, Chrome…and Brave is by far the best. Blocks everything 🙌🏼
I'm not wrong. It literally is Chromium under the hood. It adds a bunch of features that can be easily replicated by extensions on Chrome such as uBlock Origin. On top of that, it used to block ads on a website and show their own ads which is literally stealing. Lastly, they have some crap crypto token which should be considered as a security but it's not so they pretty much print their own money.

And by the way, it should be illegal to block ads. Sites use ads to keep the lights on. So Brave is terrible for the internet ecosystem.
 
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I'm not wrong. It literally is Chromium under the hood. It adds a bunch of features that can be easily replicated by extensions on Chrome such as uBlock Origin.

And by the way, it should be illegal to block ads. Sites use ads to keep the lights on. So Brave is terrible for the internet ecosystem.
Orion browser based off WebKit also blocks many ads by default without any ad blocker extensions needed. I have another overall OS Adblocker and it does a good job with app ads.

It seems most are just conditioned to believing that Chrome browser still has some edge compared to others but at this point it’s well established being a resource hog and Google is not interested in making deep changes rather than the bogus “energy saver mode” trickery.

I have not even used google search for over 8 years, I guess some are accustomed to censorship search results 😝
 
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So basically they did:

ChatGPT > "Write a browser for iOS that breaks Apple's rules and makes Timmy stomp around the house."
If there is a slight possibility for Google to even acquire a crumb of user data it will build whatever harvesting app for whatever platform to acquire it. I honestly believe this is why Google takes on so many projects in so many areas and just abandons the many that do not meet some quota to collect user data via those apps and platforms. It’s probably the reason that Google search, Chrome browser, ChromeOS, Gmail, etc are still supported and the multitude of other apps disposed in the litter bin of history.

Remember if some Google product or service is still operating it’s probably meeting user data collection quota. Google pays Apple to keep its search as the default in Safari as it probably doubles or more the revenue it acquires iOS users which should tell people something.
 
iPhone dominates? Do you live in an altered reality?
It depends on demographics, in the US and Canada I would say probably in UK and Europe it’s a different issues probably closer to 50/50 and in developing markets it’s probably AndroidOS due to free or affordable or subsidized offers. The poster of that comment probably lives in an area with predominant iPhone users hence the scope of belief.
 
I'm not wrong. It literally is Chromium under the hood. It adds a bunch of features that can be easily replicated by extensions on Chrome such as uBlock Origin. On top of that, it used to block ads on a website and show their own ads which is literally stealing. Lastly, they have some crap crypto token which should be considered as a security but it's not so they pretty much print their own money.

And by the way, it should be illegal to block ads. Sites use ads to keep the lights on. So Brave is terrible for the internet ecosystem.
I don’t think you understand how ad banners work and what leads to a poor web browsing experience.

Companies pay Google to have an X amount of ads per day, month, year and at times a flexible option. Websites provide users data to populate ads that may interest those users which is a breach of privacy unless if someone opts out and receives generalized ads. Websites get paid if a user clicks on an ad/s and if a purchase is made on said companies website it gets an additional sum.

If a user does not click on any ads the website/a make nothing but since most ads are poorly coded it consumes resources such as bandwidth, battery, etc. This can frustrate a user to a particular site and either their will not visit anymore, ignore the ads or block them all lead to a poor user experience and brings nothing in revenue to that website. Hence you will also notice affiliated links disguised as articles which is another revenue stream, if the user removes the additional code within the url the revenue is not collected. There is a lot more to it but it’s not some doom and gloom situation as you make it out to be as if a website is not profitable it would not operate ad revenue or not.
 
I'm not wrong. It literally is Chromium under the hood. It adds a bunch of features that can be easily replicated by extensions on Chrome such as uBlock Origin. On top of that, it used to block ads on a website and show their own ads which is literally stealing. Lastly, they have some crap crypto token which should be considered as a security but it's not so they pretty much print their own money.

And by the way, it should be illegal to block ads. Sites use ads to keep the lights on. So Brave is terrible for the internet ecosystem.

Wrong! They’re done mobile tests and it consistently demonstrates Brave uses less battery and resources than the other browsers. It’s great, the best ever. If not Brave then Edge would be the next best available browser on iOS.
 
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there is only one thing I care about on a mobile browser. That I can access bookmarks with one button press. Safari does that and I have found no android browser that does for some reason
One press of a 'button'? I don't think that's an iPhone you're using. ;)
 
Wrong! They’re done mobile tests and it consistently demonstrates Brave uses less battery and resources than the other browsers. It’s great, the best ever. If not Brave then Edge would be the next best available browser on iOS.
Oh god. They use less battery because they block everything by default - things that could be useful to users, and things that keep the internet mostly free.

It's nothing special. Brave is just marketing and another crypto scam.
 
I don’t think you understand how ad banners work and what leads to a poor web browsing experience.

Companies pay Google to have an X amount of ads per day, month, year and at times a flexible option. Websites provide users data to populate ads that may interest those users which is a breach of privacy unless if someone opts out and receives generalized ads. Websites get paid if a user clicks on an ad/s and if a purchase is made on said companies website it gets an additional sum.

If a user does not click on any ads the website/a make nothing but since most ads are poorly coded it consumes resources such as bandwidth, battery, etc. This can frustrate a user to a particular site and either their will not visit anymore, ignore the ads or block them all lead to a poor user experience and brings nothing in revenue to that website. Hence you will also notice affiliated links disguised as articles which is another revenue stream, if the user removes the additional code within the url the revenue is not collected. There is a lot more to it but it’s not some doom and gloom situation as you make it out to be as if a website is not profitable it would not operate ad revenue or not.
First of all, ads can charge per click or per view. The CTR (click through rate) is important but websites still get paid by Adsense even if the user does not click. I used to work in ad tech.

Second, when Brave decided to remove ads and replace them with their own ads, they're literally stealing. Brave did not create the content or utility of the websites users visit.

Brave is a marketing and crypto scam.
 
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