Black_Mage
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And running Gemini through Siri will protect our privacy. I refuse to use Gemini any other way.
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Google Working on Native Gemini AI App for Mac to Rival ChatGPT and Claude
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Too late.
Google pays billions per year to Apple for Google being the default search engine in Safari.
Google’s Gemini will be the basis for both Apple Intelligence and Siri going forward after iOS and MacOS 27.
The former head of Google Gemini is now the head of Apple Intelligence.
And now Google is building a Mac native Gemini app to interact with Apple Intelligence which as of MacOS 27 will be powered by ….Gemini. Still not sure how Google Gemini will interact with Apple Gemini.
tennisproha
macrumors 68020
Bro worrying about sandboxing Gemini when Google already has all your info.
They say to rival Claude and ChatGPT but then also say it looks like the iOS app. Claude and ChatGPT are designed differently but beautifully and very Mac like, unlike Google. Google has never shown the ability to design and app the looks and feels like it belongs on a Mac, so while the model may continue to improve, the app and interface I imagine has 0 chance of rivaling their competition unless they make a major design shift at Google, that is very unlikely without I assume major leadership change.
JosephAW
macrumors 604
Yeah even though my search engine is set to DDG Siri still uses google on my iPhone. Blah 😵
Colpeas
macrumors 6502a
Make it run on Intel and I’m sold.
GPT’s native app is Apple Silicon only…
GPT’s native app is Apple Silicon only…
You could pay for a Google Workspace for Business account and use Gemini that way apparently. Probably even more privacy compliant than whatever version Apple will use:
This is great as the ‘use Apple hardware & Google services’ combination is very well established.
I’m assuming that they’re doing this so that they can have access to your stuff, as their personalisation continues to get better.
Personally though I’m happy to keep my ai chatbots firmly in a web browser.
I’m assuming that they’re doing this so that they can have access to your stuff, as their personalisation continues to get better.
Personally though I’m happy to keep my ai chatbots firmly in a web browser.
Copilot is Microsoft, not Google. And it's pretty far behind in capabilities(*), even if it offers OpenAI models in the app.
Google offers Gemini, which is a large suite of AI tools in many different areas. Currently, I think it's one of the two leading suites together with Claude. Claude is better at coding, and Claude cowork is amazing. Gemini is better as a chatbot, and offers many other amazing tools like notebookLM.
(*) Not remotely as far behind as Apple, of course. Apple's current offering is embarrassing - I made this a week ago, on Apple Image Playground and Gemini. I asked for a test pyramid...
Can’t believe you are comparing something with ‘playground’ in its name to the other service created by one of the bigger datacenter hyper scalers on earth.
If we believe everything on CNBC and coming out of Jensen Huang’s mouth then AI can generate macOS 30 and GTA VII in 5 minutes.
MarchyStar
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The screen awareness and Desktop Intelligence would be genuinely amazing, and no "catching up" whatsoever. The reality is that each of the leading AI harness has overlapping – but differing – capabilities, which is why anybody who is seriously using AI in their day-to-day pays active subscriptions to MULTIPLE of them.
Google's has had the screen awareness (essentially a live video call with the AI) in their AI Studio dev tools for over a year (Dec 2024) and it's incredible, only thing is it wasn't stable and when it would crash it would lose all the context of the convo losing you all your "work" essentially.
Can't wait for a production-ready version of this!
(Apple also promised Screen Awareness almost two years ago and it has yet to materialize)
Google's has had the screen awareness (essentially a live video call with the AI) in their AI Studio dev tools for over a year (Dec 2024) and it's incredible, only thing is it wasn't stable and when it would crash it would lose all the context of the convo losing you all your "work" essentially.
Can't wait for a production-ready version of this!
(Apple also promised Screen Awareness almost two years ago and it has yet to materialize)
MarchyStar
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The_Martini_Cat
macrumors 6502
I did try the Notebooks LM on Google, spending nothing -- the right amount! -- and was amazed by how funny and playful the voice podcast it produced was, even in spite of some pronunciation problems in the Spanish terms. It's not like people aren't bilingual, so ... if they are supposed to be talking about a bilingual story complete with a list of Spanish words, those words ought to be pronounced correctly. So ... definitely not going for the paid version just yet! Meanwhile, when Apple can get Siri to understand the spoken word a lot better, then we'll talk. Pun intended!🍸😹
It’s a fair comparison. It correctly shows the absolutely sorry state of Apple Generative AI versus their competitors. Apple engineers had the same access to and had read all the papers about AI in the middle 2000’s and onward and were STILL caught off guard when the LLMs hit the scene. But NOOoooo….Tim Apple had to waste precious time and billions upon billions on the now aborted Apple Car and self driving tech in a vain attempt to catch up to Elon Musk and Tesla and then wasted even MORE time and billions upon billions trying to catch up to Meta-Zuck and his stupid and now dead “Metaverse” and those stupid headgear straight out of “Johnny Mnemonic” from 1995.
Black_Mage
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DaveN
macrumors 6502a
No you do not compare a little toy app to one of the bigger hyper scalers in the world.
Next you’ll be complaining that Apple doesn’t have a search engine and doesn’t compete against Amazing AWS.
You are fundamentally not understanding Apple does not want to lose millions of dollars on generative AI prompts. All those companies serving generative AI are doing it at a big loss but they make the money elsewhere using their hyperscaler business.
Apple is a completely different company to them. If you don’t realize that then you have missed 50 years of Apple history.
You are mixing two things here:
1) Is Apple far, far behind the main actors in the AI race? Absolutely, many years behind. This goes both for companies with generic AI offerings (Anthropic - Claude, Google - Gemini, OpenAI - ChatGPT), and for companies with more domain specific AIs - e.g. Adobe.
2) Does it matter for Apple? Probably not that much. The only app they have competing in a professional space now is Final Cut Pro, and it's been on a downward trend for many years. Adobe outcompetes it now, and in a couple of years it will be dead and left behind - like Aperture (RIP). As for the rest, the main issue is whether Google's AI can be good enough to entice people away from the iPhone. Their assistant and image tools are already significantly better, and if that spreads across the ecosystem - or being behind ends up in the Apple brand - it matters. Beyond that, Apple probably doesn't care. Siri has been a stagnant embarrassment for more than a decade now, and if the competition hadn't improved they still wouldn't care.
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That’s precisely what I meant (ironically). People complain about Gemini, but some people use Copilot, which is even worse. In terms of how invasive it is in terms of tracking, I’m not sure if Microsoft is better than Google, or even Apple (but that’s a different topic).