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Google's $349 Pixel 4a vs. Apple's $399 iPhone SE
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He doesn't but Apple still forwards queries to Google by default for billions of dollars in return.
Why anyone would buy a mobile tracking device from a company whose business model is selling advertising is completely beyond my limited and stunted intellectual capacity.
again and again and again. „The data is aggregated and anonymized.“
Do you enjoy being targeted based on your cross-site browsing history, what you purchase, where you live, what streets you drive on, the contents of your emails, the affiliation of your political party and your voting history (maybe not relevant based on your use of quotes), the age of your children, your credit score?
Stay classy, Macrumors. Nice fix. I also appreciate more precise and on-point wording. Unlike that other apple rumors site that cannot be named.
With all that is now known about illegal or misused government ties to tech companies and data usage, I don’t know why anyone would consider a data mining ad platform.
That and amp-hours isn't even a measurement of energy. Do we know that they're measured at the same voltage?
Unrelated, it's funny how the "a" series of Pixel phones, despite being the low-end versions, are kinda better than the non-"a" ones. In part because they always come out later, in part because they have headphone jacks and fingerprint sensors.
Hackintoshing a laptop is only smart if you have lots and lots of time on your hands. Even a desktop, but especially a laptop. First off, guaranteed to have problems with sleep, the trackpad, and/or the speakers. And in the end, you end up with something outdated and insecure, particularly lacking disk encryption.
The OS is really all that matters for most people anyway, especially on a phone. These days any hardware mid-range and up is good enough unless you have really particular needs.
Or you know, maybe the Android guy had never scanned a code in before, or just isn't tech literate. I have an Android and have scanned codes in without fuss but that was only because I knew how to do it already. If you gave me an iPhone now since I haven't used one in 6 years I would probably have a hard time figuring out how to scan qr code in, even if I could do it on my Android. You didn't mention his age either, but if he is like some of the 50+ year olds I know wouldn't have a clue what a qr code is or even know there is a scanner on their phone. I have used iOS, Android, and Windows Mobile and believe me when I tell you, iOS does NOT set the bar at all. My Nokia 1020 running windows 8 blew both iOS and Android out of the water when it came to the OS. The fact iOS is just now getting widgets on the home screen instead of the 4 x whatever square grid that it has had since iOS 1.0 should give you an indication of where iOS's bar is set.
The key here, is not just the price point, it gives the option of {android or iOS.} The thing is, consumers do have the preference where their loyalty lies in terms of the platform. The fact now that there’s two phones that are highly competitive with affordability being the primary, you can’t go wrong with either one.
Exactly, the iPhone 128GB is $449, that's $100 more expensive, not $50. Please MacRumors compare apples to apples. In my country the SE 128GB is only 549 €, which is $652. Yes, $652, $200 more than in the US. The 64GB version is 499 €, that's $592.
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Because they are much cheaper. Especially in Europe.
A crazy expensive phone or great phone at an affordable price. Hmmm...
I don’t. But I use google for search because it’s better enough than the alternatives to offset this cost. Since I use google for search already it really doesn’t matter if I use android or an iPhone.
YouTube is actually the most difficult google product to avoid and I can expect that within three videos or searches within the same session even if I use google or YouTube anonymously google is like “hello it’s bob smith” let’s add this activity to the dataset.
I also use a credit card, amazon, non-vpn internet, tesla 3, Siri, Facebook, and a Safeway card, Verizon mobile. I have not perceived adverse effects to companies tracking my behavior so far. Maybe because I’m on the right side of economic privilege.
The flip side is don’t think people are as homogeneous as marketers would lead people to believe. It’s also ironic to me that many Mac enthusiasts dislike google when it appears many Mac enthusiasts are perhaps a marketers dream target customer.
i don’t mind it since I would rather see ads that I may be interested in than random stuff that has no value to me. However, I don’t see ads anyway cuz I am using AdGuard on all of my devices
Yeah NOTHING AT ALL wrong with Google's privacy policies
Privacy concerns with Google - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
And the post office does not "sell your data."
Your link still says nothing about selling the data. Yes, GOOGLE knows what you are doing to do exactly what I said but they are not handing the data over to sell the „data itself“. It certainly would not even be allowed under EU law. For instance, Google Analytixs data has to be ANONYMIZED by law. In the EU, you are not allowed to track the IP because that is considered a direct identifier
„collecting Personally Identifiable Information (PII) is against the Google Analytics Terms of Service.
Under the GDPR, an IP address is considered PII. Even though the IP address (by default) is never exposed in reporting, Google does use it to provide geo-location data.“
now do they give said data to governments? That’s a whole different story
Side note: I am not a fan boy either, I don’t think tracking people is right, even for their own usage but they do not sell your raw data itself
your second point: Well in my country (Germany) they do. I actually did it for work. You can be like „order package of addresses of zip codes located in 10+ km of Berlin“. Though the actual allowed usage has been limited by the EU laws over the years. Used to work well for direct marketing
and btw Apple Devices (which I use) aren’t much „better“ in the sense that 3rd party apps from the AppStore are filled with all kind of SDK tracking kits like CleverTap too. Those are far worse than Google.
for example, we have an app that allows routing etc. to the nearest car park. if we would track the email address to match it with the personal identifier in clevertap (which we don’t, again by law), I could potentially look up an „ex“ for example (knowing her email address) to know exactly where she drove at any time or where she clicked inside the app and how many times she parked etc. I could even be really creepy and send a push notification only to her like I SEE YOU when she drives her car to gps location XY. all on iOS
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First of all, I want to throw this here: defending any company will bring you nothing. It will only make you more likely to be labeled as fanboy. It’s not like any of those companies will compensate your actions or something.
To me, I would prefer google pixel 4a if I don’t use Apple Watch, since iPad does almost everything I need to do except phone call and maybe text message. Sadly, I use Apple Watch, so iPhone SE is my only choice if I have to pick either one. I wish Apple can increase the base storage to 128GB like Google.
As for tracking, the best way to stop company from tracking you is not using internet at all IMO.
To me, I would prefer google pixel 4a if I don’t use Apple Watch, since iPad does almost everything I need to do except phone call and maybe text message. Sadly, I use Apple Watch, so iPhone SE is my only choice if I have to pick either one. I wish Apple can increase the base storage to 128GB like Google.
As for tracking, the best way to stop company from tracking you is not using internet at all IMO.
The Pixel actually costs more than twice as much as the iPhone.
Annual Cost of Ownership
iPhone SE 2 = $66.50 year
Pixel 4A = $139.60 year
(A budget shopper will not likely be upgrading from the base model, so the upfront savings remain at $50. Further, a true budget shopper looks at the annual cost of ownership. With the iPhone 6+ receiving 6 full years of system and security updates, the SE 2 with it's flagship A13 chip will likely receive 6 years too. The Pixel 4A will get 2 years of system updates and 3 years of security updates, so let's call it 2.5 years.)
I'd take the 4a. Let's be real: If Apple released the 4a and google the SE people would say google is inferior and should quit making smartphones all together and that apple is cutting edge, so sleek, with and edge to edge display and innovative cutout for the camera, all at a price so everyone is able to own and enjoy it.
don't forget the amazing camera.
don't forget the amazing camera.
Good hardware, useable operating system, totally insecure and without the Apple system of connectivity which makes the Apple ecosystem work so well.
To address your points:
"But I use google for search because it’s better enough than the alternatives to offset this cost"
Exactly which other alternatives have you tried, because I can honestly state that I went from Google as my search engine to Duck Duck Go, and really haven't seen that it is in any way worse than Google.
"I also use a credit card, amazon, non-vpn internet, tesla 3, Siri, Facebook, and a Safeway card, Verizon mobile. I have not perceived adverse effects to companies tracking my behavior so far. Maybe because I’m on the right side of economic privilege"
You may be a billionaire, but if the companies you do business with ever have a data breach, then you may be in for a world of hurt. See the recent Twitter breach for recent examples. The hackers had no issue doing things under Elon Musk's, Bill Gates', or Barak Obama's names. This was not a data breach in the traditional sense, but the end result is pretty much the same. How were you impacted in the Equifax breach? Many people were subject to identity theft, and financial hardship. Not their fault, but the fact that there was personal data resident on the Equifax servers that were breached is what allowed that to happen.
To be honest, if you have a Facebook account, you are already beyond screwed. Your data is already being categorized into 1400 sections, and being sold to whoever can give Facebook money.
All of the above is why you should care about your data being sold, and you being tracked online. Sorry if this is coming off as rough, but you need to grow up.
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Yes it is against European Union rules. That is why there is currently an EU investigation going on against Google.
What is in the Google Terms of Service, and what Google does is not always the same. There are many instances of Google collecting detailed data in North America that is requested by law enforcement, and they can find the location of a particular Android phone, with GPS coordinates, and time and date. That data is not anonymized, at least to the extent that people may think it is. It is not personally identifiable in that there is no name on the data, but the IMEI of the phone IS identifiable. Then the police go to the carriers and request the Name and Address associated with that IMEI (and you don't need a court order for that, either). It is called Google Vault, and that location information is logged whether you give Google permission or not. THERE IS NO WAY TO STOP THAT INFORMATION FROM GOING OUT. Google has been doing that for at least 10 years. Is it against the terms and service that Google puts out? I think it is, but seeing as I am not a lawyer, or a law professor, I can't say as I understand all of the nuances of the terms and conditions. Even if it is against the Google terms and conditions, what are you going to do about it? Sue Google (aka Alphabit)? Are you really going to go to court against a $1T company? FTC is already investigating, but who knows how long it will take. Took the FTC years to do anything about Facebook, and the $5B fine was a pin prick to a company the size of Facebook.
Still want to argue the point that Google is invasive of privacy to a far greater degree than Apple?
I fail to understand the logic involved when people continue to use Google and Facebook. Those companies major revenue source is advertising, plain and simple. Anything they can do to allow their customers (the advertisers, not the android phone users) better, faster, more precise targeting of the end user, they will do. Tracking, sure. Littering websearch results with sponsored links, sure. Why is this so difficult to understand? It is why they exist, literally.
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They officially sell Pixel only in 13 countries world wide, what kind of huge sales you can expect then?
And I bet, that in those countries this also isn't top selling Android phone as well...