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Hey guys sorry if this sounds noob but what is a virus or bug is attached to the apps on open share since there is no monitoring couldn't it cripple some phones and software or are they able just to restore it. If you guys get my point
 
I am all for Android. I have an iPod touch, and that's enough of an iPhone for me. I don't want to switch to AT&T, so I'll be getting this when my contract ends this December. The only thing about this is there is T-Mobile doesn't offer 3G in Hawaii and won't until next year, and that the handset isn't the best looking. But hey, it's the "first" Android phone, I can't wait (=

Seems like a great phone if you like T-Mobile.

T-Mobile is awesome, and they already have the iPhone in Europe. I think, even though they would also like the phone in the US, they can rest assured that hackers will have it available. :D

Seems like their next version of a Sidekick like phone.
 
Hey guys sorry if this sounds noob but what is a virus or bug is attached to the apps on open share since there is no monitoring couldn't it cripple some phones and software or are they able just to restore it. If you guys get my point

What, just like a Mac you mean? ( very few people have virus software installed ).

It's going to be a disaster IMO. Google have absolutely no idea what they are doing in this space.

The same was said about Apple too....
 
i don't agree with apple's approval process in certain cases but at least i know an app isn't going to crash my phone and steal my personal info
Apple don't do a source code audit. It would be trivial to write an app that does something non-malicious for a few weeks - i.e. longer than Apple's testing period - then starts uploading private information somewhere.

Now maybe they do static checks on the binaries for suspicious references to files on the device, so a bit of obfuscation is needed. I'm sorely tempted to release an app with proof-of-concept maliciousness just to demonstrate that the whole "app store approval process prevents malware" thing is balls, but I'll get the same reception as the ARDagent vulnerability: if there's nothing out in the wild exploiting on a large scale, it must be safe.

No. It just means it's not profitable to target on a large scale, so only the sufficiently interesting will be snared.
 
Apple don't do a source code audit. It would be trivial to write an app that does something non-malicious for a few weeks - i.e. longer than Apple's testing period - then starts uploading private information somewhere.
Which is when Apple would throw the kill switch, no?
 
Android's hundreds of illegitimate rip-off clones are perfect for the Chinese market. Low production values. No quality control. Toxic parts that will poison your toddlers. Android clone-phones selling for $39.95. Such a bargain! And all apps will be readily pirated and circulated all over the net, none of them certified/approved or tested by a clearinghouse company, download at your own risk.
 
What, just like a Mac you mean? ( very few people have virus software installed ).
what are you talking about? MacUpdate or something? Certainly, all Google has to do is a) store a great deal of info about anyone uploading software and b) provide a user rating system so that they can easily let users find issues like that. The real problem is, I think that developers should have to pay money to put their software up in the app store, even if it is just $5 or so. That way you get a billing address and a credit card number. It sort of jump starts the malicious software investigation, and I think that acts as a very good deterrent against at least small-time malicious software development.
The same was said about Apple too....
This is an excellent argument. Whenever someone opines that x company/product will fail, you just pick y successful company and observe that some people predicted it would fail. So clever, it avoids making a real argument, like enumerating real reasons why you think this case is different.
 
I think this will succeed, it is clearly for a differnet market than the iPhone and both will serve their markets well.

People who want no limits on what types of apps they can get, who like open source, and who like customising will go with the Android platform.

Those who like flashy tricks with using two fingers on the screen which you will get bored of after a few days, and who never use MMS or Bluetooth, or a decent camera, get the iPhone :p
 
The advantage is of open source software is that you can get people to enhance your code base for free. That should also bring creative advantages, but of course, an open source project has to be controlled.

Apple have benefited greatly due to open source - OSX and iPhone, WebKit etc etc. I'm sure Apple's costs have been reduced and seen faster development cycle , rather than having to write software from the ground up.

Your right in saying the average user doesn't care about opensource - but its the potential benefits that bring a better application that can then be delivered to the user - bringing a competitive advantage. Users do care about better applications.

If windows had been opened source, there would be enough interest ( and thus developers ) for its security to be tightened up faster than microsoft could do itself.

There is no inherent advantage to open-source. All that matters is good software. If you give people an intuitive, easy-to-use software experience, they will not care if it's open-source or not.

HTC (i.e. Microsoft WinMo) and Nokia have not yet gotten the memo.

That being said, I see no inherent advantage to Android whatsoever. It's Just Another OS. Unless it can deliver a groundbreaking software experience that tops the iPhone, which seems unlikely from what I've seen of Android so far.

And the Trism developer nailed it on the head. Would you rather make a game for one device, one resolution, and one hardware configuration? Or a game that has to run on 17 different screen sizes, keyboard or no keyboard, accelerometer or no accelerometer?
 
that thing is fugly!!!

A bunch of people have been commenting on the fugly nature of the phone. Just as a heads up to you folks, the phone that is pictured is VERY LIKELY NOT the phone they will be revealing today. They only used that fugly phone to demonstrate Android. The actual phone will be a different beat altogether.

Also, have a good look at all the phones that HTC have put out so far - they have a track record of putting out fairly stylish phones. The thing pictured is FAR from stylish and therefore you can safely conclude that today's REVEALING will be a new phone to go along with the new Android OS.
 
Those who like flashy tricks with using two fingers on the screen which you will get bored of after a few days, and who never use MMS or Bluetooth, or a decent camera, get the iPhone :p

Since when are high-quality screens and the best, bar none mobile web browser 'flashy tricks?'

I think that the notion that these products aren't competing is BS. Open source schmopen source. That is at best a minor player here--it's going to make about as much difference as Apple using open source on OS's base system--i.e., it will be well-hidden from most users, and it's not going to help with market share.

With apple making their enterprise push for the iPhone, it's now an official entrant into every corner in the smartphone market, and it will be great to see them have a real competitor in their own area--software development. I think Google is going to find a HUGE challenge as they attempt to support a ton of handsets not designed by them with a single platform.

I would personally predict that Android's first run will be Google's "Moto ROKR." They are going to have a similar experience to Apple's experience with Motorola, and they are going to end up making their own hardware in a year or two. I hope.
 
A bunch of people have been commenting on the fugly nature of the phone. Just as a heads up to you folks, the phone that is pictured is VERY LIKELY NOT the phone they will be revealing today. They only used that fugly phone to demonstrate Android. The actual phone will be a different beat altogether.

Also, have a good look at all the phones that HTC have put out so far - they have a track record of putting out fairly stylish phones. The thing pictured is FAR from stylish and therefore you can safely conclude that today's REVEALING will be a new phone to go along with the new Android OS.

I stand corrected. They just released the phone and it is the same phone they've been showing and... it is FUGLY!:eek:
 
Android shmandroid. I would never run a google-developed OS or browser on any of my devices--I'm just not a fan of big brother knowing every single thing about me, tracking my every move and recording everything I do. While I assume that most of the tracking, surveillance and profiling will only rise to the level of annoyance (your phone will constantly be urging you to potentiate your penis, refinance your loans and check your credit rating), I still don't approve. This may be the tin-foil-hat talking, but google really pegs my sketch-o-meter with their increasing zeal towards world domination ;).

The phone hardware doesn't look all that bad. I don't like the fact that it looks kind of like a PDA glued on to a docking port (unless that thing with the buttons on the bottom is a dock)--it seems the 00s called and they want their hardware buttons back; [cheesy sci-fi voice] the phones of the future [/cheesy sci-fi voice] are all about the total-slate crystal touch screen. Again though, if the web browser is google, I'm still betting it is dosed to the gills with ads.
 
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Since when are high-quality screens and the best, bar none mobile web browser 'flashy tricks?'

I think that the notion that these products aren't competing is BS. Open source schmopen source. That is at best a minor player here--it's going to make about as much difference as Apple using open source on OS's base system--i.e., it will be well-hidden from most users, and it's not going to help with market share.

With apple making their enterprise push for the iPhone, it's now an official entrant into every corner in the smartphone market, and it will be great to see them have a real competitor in their own area--software development. I think Google is going to find a HUGE challenge as they attempt to support a ton of handsets not designed by them with a single platform.

I would personally predict that Android's first run will be Google's "Moto ROKR." They are going to have a similar experience to Apple's experience with Motorola, and they are going to end up making their own hardware in a year or two. I hope.

Best browser? No. Chrome is great, and its on Android, soo...

You dont think open source is a big deal? OK, enjoy Apple deciding what apps can be available and I am sure developers love not knowing if their app will see the light of day until its done then if it does get released having Apple taking 20% of their profits. :p
 
Not convinced.

Personally I think it looks a bit cheap and nasty. Also, the interface is nothing compared to apple.

I think the iphone will take quite a bit of beating. I dont think this phone will do well - even the presentation was a bit basic. Last minute type thing.
 
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