Google's iOS and Android Apps Track and Store Location Data With Location History Disabled

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    Some Google apps on iOS and Android devices continue to store location history even with the setting disabled, according to a new AP report citing data collected by computer science researchers at Princeton.

    Location History, a feature available in Google apps like Google Maps, is an option that allows the app to display the locations that you've visited in a timeline. Princeton researcher Gunnar Acar turned off the Location History option in his Google account, but his devices continued to record the locations he had visited.

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    Data collected from a Princeton researcher on an Android phone with Location History disabled​

    It appears that even with Location History paused, some Google apps are ignoring the setting and continue to store time-stamped location data, due to confusing data collection policies that allow other app features to also store location information.
    While Princeton's research focused on Android devices, independent AP testing confirmed that iPhones are exhibiting the same behavior when used with Google apps.

    In response to a query about the Location History tracking, Google said that it is clear about its location policies. As it turns out though, the way Google collects location data is confusing and misleading.
    According to Google, users need to turn off "Web and App Activity," a setting enabled by default, to prevent all location data on iOS and Android devices from being saved to a Google account. Leaving "Web and App Activity" enabled while turning off "Location History" prevents Google from adding movements to the built-in timeline, but it does not stop Google from collecting other location information.

    This location data collected by Google can be found under myactivity.google.com, but as the AP points out, this information is scattered under different headers often unrelated to location.

    To be clear, Google is not illicitly collecting location data, but it is obfuscating its location data policies and collecting data through features that do not mention location information. Many people may not know these Google features are enabled at all, as it's a default setting.

    Google's only mention that it may continue storing some location data is in a popup that appears when Location History is disabled through the Google account settings. This popup states that "some location data may be saved as part of your activity on other Google services, like Search and Maps."

    On iPhone, when Location History is disabled via settings in Google apps, it says "None of your Google apps will be able to store location data in Location History." As the AP points out, this statement is true but misleading, because while location data isn't stored in Location History, it's still stored under "My Activity."

    Location information stored in "My Activity" is used for ad targeting purposes.

    Both "Web and App Activity" and "Location History" need to be disabled to prevent Google from collecting any location data, which can be done through the user settings of a Google account. On iOS devices, not using Google apps and disabling location services for Google apps is also an effective method for preventing Google from collecting location data.

    Article Link: Google's iOS and Android Apps Track and Store Location Data With Location History Disabled
     
  2. RedGala macrumors regular

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    Enough of a reason to ditch android and all google apps
     
  3. macduke macrumors G3

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    If you didn't expect this then you've been living under a rock. This is Google all day every day. I'd be more surprised if they didn't do this.
     
  4. Kabeyun macrumors 65816

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    oh wow. google tries all sorts of tricks to collect user data. that’s amazing. i’m shocked, shocked I say.
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  5. Heineken macrumors 6502

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    Nope.
     
  6. ctg7w6 macrumors 6502

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    The article says it’s not illicitly collecting the data but rather obfuscating the process to end data collection. I wonder if a court would agree.
     
  7. RedWing512 macrumors regular

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    Since Google also searches shopping results, they have everything to do with location.
     
  8. rtomyj macrumors 6502a

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    Exactly. I cannot fathom how people can use Google services anymore. All their services have decent alternatives (yes even search).

    Now they’re are double dipping: ads/tracking and premium prices on hardware... Do no evil my ass.
     
  9. AFPoster macrumors 68000

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    Google also stores your photos on there servers even when you disable the permissions, as does Facebook and Twitter.
     
  10. Faelan macrumors regular

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    Time for Margrethe Vestager to slap Google with another billion dollar fine... lol
     
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    And people choose to run an Operating System from these crooks
     
  14. DNichter macrumors 603

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    Of course they do, no one should be surprised by this. The only reason Google services or products exist is to collect user data and sell ads.
     
  15. larsolson macrumors newbie

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    Isn’t this a violation of Apple’s terms of service? If so, time to remove their apps like others who are removed for violations.
     
  16. m0sher macrumors 6502

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    Well looks like I’ll be moving to Apple Maps exclusively.

    I’m glad Apple has been doing a lot of revamping and getting it up to par, couldn’t come at a better time.

    Apple data privacy is hands-down better than Google’s data mining activity where Goggle even does it against your will.

    Can’t wait for iOS 12 this fall.
     
  17. mattyj2001 macrumors member

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    Android is not an operating system, it's an advertising platform. People should be more aware of this.
     
  18. ovo6 macrumors 6502a

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    Whoever uses google is crazy I only have YouTube installed but the question is what Apple going to do about it
     
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    This is not new information as it has been known for a while (I believe over a year plus). Most phones collect location and other metric information this is how the Health.app in iOS also works without a cell signal. Granted with Googles method there is no transparency and mistrust as the user believes their are opting out, however this information is being collected. I am unsure if any other 3rd party apps or even Apples apps do this, would be interesting to know.

    I believe Google is using passive collection (cell signal not required, collects metrics or shared through other apps and reports once connected to WiFi) and reporting vice active (cell signal required).
     
  20. BuddyTronic macrumors 6502a

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    “Don’t be Evil”. Yeah right Google. Dirty Stuff!
     
  21. Radon87000 macrumors 604

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    Still wipes the floor with Apple Maps and I need to use it.
     
  22. wolf359design macrumors newbie

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    A whore of a company that can't make anything original...
     
  23. WannaGoMac macrumors 68020

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    NVM, i found a way to delete all activity.

    What sneaky if you get a new android device, or re-install android, the setting to track you is turned back on (at least that whats happened to me)
     
  24. ignatius345 macrumors 65816

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    I just checked and I guess I'd already "paused" that setting. I generally turn everything I can OFF with Google because I trust them so little.

    I have Google Maps on my phone, but I used the iOS "offload" feature so it's basically crippled/uninstalled until I need it. I do the same with any app I'm not keen on potentially running in the background on a day-to-day basis.
     
  25. Heineken macrumors 6502

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    No need for drama, everyone knows it’s not like that.
     

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