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Motivations are irrelevant here when the net result helps the end-user. And yes, it also helps any Apple users who have Android friends and they send more than just words on a screen. The multimedia experience between the 2 in 2023 and I don't give a flying crap who is to blame. RCS (even the "proprietary" variety) is still better (and more secure) than SMS/MMS. This is an irrefutable, unequivocal, undeniable point and it needs to get resolved.

All-end users are helped. Period.
Missed the part where google wants all your mesage data right? All rcs traffic is pushed through googles servers not the carriers theirs a difference
 
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And this everybody is proof why Apple has and always will be extremely reluctant to open itself up to others because Apple do not want you using other companies phones, they want you to use theirs and if it means not implementing more modern and up to date messaging standards that take full effect of todays much better mobile communications then so be it.

In September 2022, Apple CEO Tim Cook said that RCS is not a priority for Apple. "I don't hear our users asking that we put a lot of energy in on that at this point," he explained. To one reporter who said he was having an issue texting his mother on an Android device, Cook said "Buy your mom an iPhone."
 
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Correction you make the experience terrible for yourself by not using any other messenger than sms
Correction: I use half a dozen messaging apps because my friends, family, and business contacts are scattered across a bunch of different services based on their region, tech savviness, etc, and it's an awful experience. There's no one modern, universal, interoperable standard for messaging because everyone wants to cordon off their segment of the market.
 
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Google forgot to mention how they messed up the RCS standard and their implementation is quite crappy. It doesn't make much sense for Apple to spend money on trying to implement this aside iMessage or instead of standard SMS.
I am assuming that is your own personal experience of RCS? because as far as I am aware Apple has not come out and stated the same as you as to why they have not implemented RCS. All Apple keep saying is 'Our users do not want it'.
 
Correction you make the experience terrible for yourself by not using any other messenger than sms
That’s a very closed minded & snobby attitude to have.
It’s the truth, you decided to make the experience worse, you chose to use sms/mms, the carrier adds the compression you choose to use that route
Again that’s very snobby & closed minded attitude to have Because you naturally assume I use android?
 
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I am assuming that is your own personal experience of RCS? because as far as I am aware Apple has not come out and stated the same as you as to why they have not implemented RCS. All Apple keep saying is 'Our users do not want it'.
Oh don’t even bother trying explain this is a business decision & nothing else.
 
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For a company that is so big on user privacy and security Apple not supporting RCS is pretty hypocritic of them and sad.

End of the day RCS is a massice security improvement in sms. It even can go outside just messaging android phones. For example in the 2 factor text messages could use that encryption. Even apple own systems when the text sms 2 factor send it out as a normal text message no encryption.

So no apple should add this support and security. It does not mean changing the text bubble color to blue it can still he green but gains extra security.
Rcs does not have encryption look it up, it’s an add on google added on to google rcs which is passed through their servers why would you want to pass all your messaging data to google 🤷‍♂️

The official rcs died years ago even the gsma abandoned it
 
omg CSAM conspiracy again?

You do realize Microsoft, Google and Amazon have been running CSAM on their servers and devices for almost a decade and did NOT publicly mention it to consumers - not more than the fine print of an OS or service release or upgrade.

Please do your research on CSAM and do it thoroughly across multiple reputable IT sources across the globe not just focus on the USA and political financial strategic hate against Apple.

You’re pretty far behind here since Apple chose NOT to proceed here.
Apple took heat not b/c they they implemented CSAM, but because they even talked about it in the first place. We expect companies like Google and Amazon to do that. Apple shouldn't have even suggested it in the first place, and went back on that because of the outcry from Apple fans.
 
Apple took heat not b/c they they implemented CSAM, but because they even talked about it in the first place. We expect companies like Google and Amazon to do that. Apple shouldn't have even suggested it in the first place, and went back on that because of the outcry from Apple fans.
If a company does not want to do something that could affect it's users, what is the best way to get it dumped/canned? you find a way to release the information publicly so the users can see what is going on with the hope that the users will cause such an out cry that what ever was planned will get stopped and low and behold, what did Apple do, they did not really want CSAM so they publicly released what they was doing and the back lash occurred. Job done.
 
If a company does not want to do something that could affect it's users, what is the best way to get it dumped/canned? you find a way to release the information publicly so the users can see what is going on with the hope that the users will cause such an out cry that what ever was planned will get stopped and low and behold, what did Apple do, they did not really want CSAM so they publicly released what they was doing and the back lash occurred. Job done.
Well I don’t think that’s true.
as they where going to put it in iOS in 15.2 I think but they got absolutely hammered so much from everyone they backed down.
 
And this everybody is proof why Apple has and always will be extremely reluctant to open itself up to others because Apple do not want you using other companies phones, they want you to use theirs and if it means not implementing more modern and up to date messaging standards that take full effect of todays much better mobile communications then so be it.

“Apple do not want you using other companies phones, they want you to use theirs”

OMG! o_O

Unprecedented!

SCANDALOUS‼️

(Quick! Somebody call the cops!)
 
It’s that nobody else care’s enough about iMessage in other countries.
You don’t gets these advertisements in other countries that’s all I’m saying
It seems to be more tribal in America that it’s used more than just a stock messaging app.
iMessage is the stock messaging app in America, and America is the driver of the tech industry, so it stands to reason that Google would focus their efforts there.

It has been my experience that WhatsApp was relatively popular in the US initially, and had a major drop in popularity after meta bought it. Americans seem more aware/sensitive to privacy and data harvesting than in many other countries.

Perhaps the market penetration that Apple had in the early days of smartphones has additional impact on iMessage uptake vs others. I remember using my 1st generation iPhone internationally and many people had no idea what smartphones were even though Nokia and other manufacturers had some functionality. From what I recall.., it wasn’t immediate that iMessage had evolved beyond sms. Although once it did Apple enabled much more robust messaging without the tether to antiquated sms cost structures.

Although it is likely that sheer wealth has been the largest driver in America. In many countries cheaper smartphones are far more prominent, and WhatsApp has become ubiquitous as a lower cost communication platform than traditional sms.

In my case I’ve just always used iMessage, and for the few people I need to communicate with outside of iMessage I source the current best alternate solution. I’ve never used Facebook messenger, and I avoided Blackberries for a solid decade. I typically use Signal at the moment, although sms is perfectly fine for most of my non-iMessage communication.
 
iMessage is the stock messaging app in America, and America is the driver of the tech industry, so it stands to reason that Google would focus their efforts there.

It has been my experience that WhatsApp was relatively popular in the US initially, and had a major drop in popularity after meta bought it. Americans seem more aware/sensitive to privacy and data harvesting than in many other countries.

Perhaps the market penetration that Apple had in the early days of smartphones has additional impact on iMessage uptake vs others. I remember using my 1st generation iPhone internationally and many people had no idea what smartphones were even though Nokia and other manufacturers had some functionality. From what I recall.., it wasn’t immediate that iMessage had evolved beyond sms. Although once it did Apple enabled much more robust messaging without the tether to antiquated sms cost structures.

Although it is likely that sheer wealth has been the largest driver in America. In many countries cheaper smartphones are far more prominent, and WhatsApp has become ubiquitous as a lower cost communication platform than traditional sms.

In my case I’ve just always used iMessage, and for the few people I need to communicate with outside of iMessage I source the current best alternate solution. I’ve never used Facebook messenger, and I avoided Blackberries for a solid decade. I typically use Signal at the moment, although sms is perfectly fine for most of my non-iMessage communication.
No what I’m saying is iMessage is not that big an issue any where else in the world.
A lot of my friends have an iPhone but don’t use iMessage for any other than standard text messaging as everyone else uses a particular messaging app.
This isn’t about cheap phones & dear phones
I just don’t think people care enough outside the USA about iMessage.
In my years of owning an iPhone & selling iPhones to people nobody ever says that’s I want an iPhone for iMessage what normally happens is they set up their phone & then put a certain messaging app on their iPhone so all their group chats & messaging appears.
 
No what I’m saying is iMessage is not that big an issue any where else in the world.
A lot of my friends have an iPhone but don’t use iMessage for any other than standard text messaging as everyone else uses a particular messaging app.
This isn’t about cheap phones & dear phones
I just don’t think people care enough outside the USA about iMessage.
In my years of owning an iPhone & selling iPhones to people nobody ever says that’s I want an iPhone for iMessage what normally happens is they set up their phone & then put a certain messaging app on their iPhone so all their group chats & messaging appears.
"No", perhaps you didn't understand my post.., try another read. Either way I have lived all over the world and was offering explanations as to why users outside of North America may not use iMessage as much...
 
"No", perhaps you didn't understand my post.., try another read. Either way I have lived all over the world and was offering explanations as to why users outside of North America may not use iMessage as much...
It comes down to market share that’s all
If you look at the uk for example it’s almost 50/50 between iOS & android.
Hence why most use WhatsApp regardless of device. Not everyone can afford or wants an iPhone so it’s a bit snobbish to insult people like that
I know a lot of users who own flagship Samsung devices & that’s starting to grow more in the uk.
And iMessage is only thought of as a standard messaging app.
Then you look at the USA market share it’s much greater in apple’s favour.
That’s why this is an American advertisement it’s all to do with market share and nothing else.
 
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It comes down to market share that’s all
If you look at the uk for example it’s almost 50/50 between iOS & android.
Hence why most use WhatsApp regardless of device. Not everyone can afford or wants an iPhone so it’s a bit snobbish to insult people like that
I know a lot of users who own flagship Samsung devices & that’s starting to grow more in the uk.
And iMessage is only thought of as a standard messaging app.
Then you look at the USA market share it’s much greater in apple’s favour.
That’s why this is an American advertisement it’s all to do with market share and nothing else.
Looks like you finally understand my post…
 
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