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Google's Not Going to Make Tablets Anymore
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I was just nitpicking about the tablet features. I don’t think google really care about an ecosystem. They seem to be content to sell data. Some of the other OEM’s like Samsung are just starting to get the point of the ecosystem. Maybe google have data that they have used to come to this conclusion. Maybe android users don’t want tablets and don’t want integrated devices. The whole concept of android itself is be together not the same after all. So maybe android users are happy just to have different hardware to meet their needs.
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To be fair the second generation nexus 7 was a good tablet. It and a nice display, wireless charging and good performance especially for its price.
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The second generation was stable and did fix all the issues of the first gen. I had both. The first gen had rebooting issues, would get hot and switch itself off.
You have to give Google credit for evolving mobile OS with Android, ChromeOS, Fuchsia, etc. to fuse ease of use of Android with the versatility and power of desktop OS. Android is a decade old which iOS/iPadOS 13 is just barely catching up to. In the future, my prediction is Windows on ARM will become #1, Android/ChromeOS/Fuchsia #2 and iOS/iPadOS #3.
iPad is still just a blown up iphone in many ways anyway, but at least Apple has made a concerted effort to add things to it through multi view and other stuff. Apps have also been improved to function on the iPad, although this seems more of an effort from outside devs than Apple. But Android was the worst, that was truly a blown up phone OS. It's no surprise that Google is dropping tablets, but it's really a problem of their own making. You can't just ignore a platform, then wonder why it's not making any money, well I suppose Google can and actually loves to do this.
The main bummer for me is there is that much less competition out there to push Apple and Microsoft. I wonder what Android tablet makers like Samsung will do now, will they continue to tweak Android with their own tablet enhancements or just give up?
Amazon is close behind. Remember the Amazon phone? I'll have to say that Amazon has had some hardware that has stuck, like Kindle and Echo.
I don't think Apple is saying the ipad can replace your computer, maybe in marketing they are saying that but in reality the hardware they put out speaks much louder and says you still need 2 devices. Sure ipadOS is an improvement, but to me it kind of seems like they are just trying to keep up the 2 device paradigm and are just spoon feeding iOS on the ipad to keep people interested. I know studies in the past have confirmed that most ipad owners also have some kind of secondary device like a laptop, I'm curious to see how ipadOS changes this, or if it doesn't change it at all.
Are you arguing that iOS13 "is just catching up? Seriously? IOS has the superior application foundation - more apps - especially quality apps versus Android/ChromeOS. Fuchsia is just a science project right now.
The Google ecosystem is falling apart - WearOS is next - the clock is ticking on that one. Meanwhile Apple's WatchOS continues to be the leader.
Windows might be number 1or 2 trading with Apple - Google I see as the third horse in this race.
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People who claim that lack experience on other platforms. From someone who uses all platforms and isn't a fanboy to any one, iOS 13 is just adding features that Android has had for ages like since 2012 but without the polish like the gigantic mouse cursor, messy gimped file manager, fugly home screen that looks like they threw things at it to see what sticks, etc. while still lacking ability to place icons anywhere for uncluttered convenience, background multitasking, inability to swipe away calls that takes up the whole screen and doesn't let you do anything else, freedom to install Kodi/system and console emulators/torrent clients/etc. Even iOS apps aren't all that. For example, native iOS mail app is garbage if you need reliable access to multiple different mail providers. Gave up on it constantly freezing up with white screen and now use Aqua Mail on Android which is 100% reliable and has time saving features like text-to-voice announcement of new email header so I don't have to constantly look at my device to know what's important or not. iOS 13 is lipstick on a pig so it's good they haven't rushed it out.
Can't believe the tablet market is dying...
I really feel this device is great, a large touch screen portable device.
My only guess is that with phablets and super-thin laptops the market for these things squeezed out of existence.
I must say that having an iphone, ipad, and macbook is a little bit an over kill and if one device had to go it would be the iPad but then again each has its own dedicated uses.
I really feel this device is great, a large touch screen portable device.
My only guess is that with phablets and super-thin laptops the market for these things squeezed out of existence.
I must say that having an iphone, ipad, and macbook is a little bit an over kill and if one device had to go it would be the iPad but then again each has its own dedicated uses.
I have found that to be true as well.
And even at that, many iOS fans were pushing against the inclusion of mouse support (just use your finger!) and support for external storage (use the cloud!)
Android's support for mice, universally accessible file system, and wide support for USB accessories allows even lowly tablets like Amazon's Fire HD 10 to do things that aren't currently possible on iPads.
Regarding apps, the experience can vary greatly depending upon the tasks one is working on. There have been seasons for me when nothing could come close to iOS, and then others where Android is fantastic (and I wonder why iOS was even an option for me).
When a person has been dying of thirst, even a glass of warm turbid water can be refreshing.
For someone who says he isn’t a fanboy that post does sound like a fanboy. For the purposes of this discussion - I was using android exclusively up until 2012.
As stated in one of my previous posts - most of those “features” weren’t in stock android but in third party add-ones so they weren’t universal. Samsung being the best implementation of Android. You also fail to recognize the one glaring issue that has plagued Android app development since day one - fragmentation. Hence on average - major apps come to iOS first before Android. That is something that even fervent Android fans have been complaining about. Contrast that with what Apple has done with iOS app development and the implementation of Swift, etc. it is more cohesive and easier to develop for iOS and therefore make more money - again which is born out by the facts and metrics.
Now with regard to apps - I have multiple email accounts on the native mail app and it works fine - this includes outlook, google, and iCloud. If you don’t like the native app you can use MS Outlook or Gmail, or Spark. All of them polished and popular. Look at Adobe putting desktop versions of their apps on iPad. MS has put their mobile version of Office on iPad. SAP has a series of Apps for iOS that are not on Android. Let’s also not forget text messaging — google has struggled with that in contrast to Apple. We can also look to the enterprise and see where major corporations have developed enterprise apps for iOS/iPadOS that are not on Android. For example _ SAP data viewer and GRC manager, IBM’s suite of cloud management apps, GE Jet Engines, Airlines customer service apps, SAPs Concur Administrator. I don’t see any Android tablets or Chrome OS platforms being used like this in the enterprise - why is that if iOS is lipstick on a pig. The article link from Android Police did a review of iOS13 and highlighted 25 features and apps that are not available in the Android ecosystem. Take a look at the comments from Android users and many of them confirm the points I’m making.
Link ===> https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...ios-13-that-we-want-on-android/#disqus_thread
Your opinion is that iOS13 is lipstick on a pig. Yet it continued to add features and refine existing ones and makes Apple lots of money. One area that Apple excels is privacy which is a major weakness of google. The privacy issue is one of the things that drove me to remove my gmail and google accounts from my devices and shut them down. Additionally - the Apple ecosystem continues to add features and cohesiveness to include wearable devices (Google's WearOS is dying) , Apple TV (google chrome cast has been stagnating), and now tablets is gone because the software and hardware from Android could not compete with iOS13 on tablets. So all of those “features” you claim where there first couldn’t save google tablets.
So the question is what’s next on the chopping block? Stadia?
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If you care about your privacy you avoid all things Google and Facebook.
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Instead of staying on topic with what was written (iOS has a superior App ecosystem) you go off on a tangent cherry-picking a few shortcomings from a couple iOS Apps as if that proves your point. It doesn’t.
Why don’t you list off the absolute best Android tablet Apps or Chrome Apps available? Something that could compare to the likes of Pixelmator or Procreate or whatever category you want to pick.
Then we can load them up and try them out on Android devices/Chromebooks and compare them against similar Apps on the iPad to see who really has the superior Apps.
I don’t see the two competing with each other as much as you think they will.
The surface pro competes with other laptops. While it can be used in tablet mode, the experience is poor and will not be the primary reason people get one.
The iPad Pro is there for people who desire an alternative experience which can’t be replicated with existing PCs (eg: they want a tablet experience more than they desire a laptop).
People are going to get each for separate reasons and I don’t see much overlap in use case between the two.
I don’t view Surface as a tablet. Sorry. OS first.
iPad does some things well but I usually stick to buying things that does everything I need well. That’s Mac or pc right now. And will remain that way for quite awhile. This is coming from the position of an iPad replacing a pc.
As an organizer or notebook I love an iPad. An accessory to Mac or pc. Kinda what a Palm was for way back when. With a few perks that it can do some other things well. This is basically my use or taking the position that an iPad is a great secondary device.
However many use an iPhone for this purpose. Or a surface. iPad OS will help with a better version of safari alone imo.
iPad does some things well but I usually stick to buying things that does everything I need well. That’s Mac or pc right now. And will remain that way for quite awhile. This is coming from the position of an iPad replacing a pc.
As an organizer or notebook I love an iPad. An accessory to Mac or pc. Kinda what a Palm was for way back when. With a few perks that it can do some other things well. This is basically my use or taking the position that an iPad is a great secondary device.
However many use an iPhone for this purpose. Or a surface. iPad OS will help with a better version of safari alone imo.
The problem with Android tablets is that they are basically phones with big screens. Android doesn’t adapt well to larger displays, and that’s the thing with foldable phones. They don’t try to be small tablets, but phones with big displays.
Google's general business model isn't selling tablets??
Google should just CENSOR and SMEAR... it works inside the internet, right Google?
Google should just CENSOR and SMEAR... it works inside the internet, right Google?
Because Samsung and Huawei are crossing their fingers and hoping you don’t realise they are trying to offload small android tablets on you for $2000, by attempting to market them as smartphones.
And the internet because of you go anywhere on the internet or use any services then your privacy is already compromised. I'm not defending those two but its naive to think you're privacy is completly safe if you just avoid facebook and google.
Android is tolerable on smaller tablets around 7 inches. Bigger than that they aren’t really any good for much apart from watching media and reading comics. However to be fair I don’t do much more than watch videos with my iPads.
I think that’s flawed logic. It’s like saying that it doesn’t matter if I avoid parking my car in known high-theft areas because a thief could smash the windows and steal from it anywhere I park. My chances of being broken into will never be zero, but they will be substantially less if I avoid those areas.
Personal information protection is a great marketing angle and scares people into buying their products.
Facebook has just as much private information on a person who has never logged in to Facebook as those who do. This is what people don’t understand.