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Who doesn't want to own an entire product class? Google is the number one player in search. Do you think they don't want it to be that way forever?

Your argument addresses the goal. I never indicated an issue with that. The only problem I suggested was with their methodology. Please refrain from removing context from my statements:cool:.
 
Obviously obvious

A lot of people claim that the way Apple designed the iPhone and iOS is obvious.

That makes me think of party tricks or bar bets. You know, the ones where you are challenged to balance a beer bottle on three knives, make a paperclip float on water, untie a knot on a rope without letting go of either end of the rope etc.
You can spend hours looking for the solution, knowing that there is a solution, and in the end you give up. When presented with the solution you facepalm and wonder how you couldn't see it.

Knowing the solution, you have a really hard time understanding why other people cant easily see the solution.
It's soooo obvious, they have to be blind not to see it. But they don't.


I'm old enough to remember technology before the iPhone, and until the very moment Steve Jobs unveiled it, it wasn't obvious how it would look or function.

I had a few Pocket PC's before that, and I clearly remember that I hoped the iPhone would NOT be a touch phone, because touch obviously didn't work very well. Later I became wiser.
 
Why did google feel so compelled to compete in the smartphone market? Why not direct the talent and creativity they have to something that really needs innovation, like energy?
 
He didn't say "inventions that are commercially essential", he said "patents that are commercially essential".

There are way, way too many gratuitous patents for obvious things.
 
The problem is that things that Apple dreamt up and patented years ago are now things we probably couldn't live without, so they seem like they should be standardised, but it was still Apple that invented it and as such have the right to reserve the use of the patent!
 
If it was used previously in the way Apple describes in the patent claims, it would have been rejected during examination of the patent application. You don't just get a patent just because.

Wrong!!! Part of the problem is that when you apply for a patent, they ask you whether you have researched the prior art. You simply say "yes" and that is enough. They don't check, they don't investigate (on the whole). This is *one* of the reasons why the patent system is flawed. The patent system is set up to grant patents - they leave it to the legal system to refute them.

Incidentally, see http://www.google.com/patents/US20090241072 for google's own patent on gesture-based unlocking. So, what does that mean?

Also, check out the wording...
Google: "Unlocking a Device by Performing Gestures on an Unlock Image"
Apple: "Indication of progress towards satisfaction of a user input condition"

Now, patents are supposed to be specific. Which of the above is more specific?
 
The first iteration of the MBA was expensive and not the greatest seller. But, 2-3 years down the line the MBA is the best selling laptop, at a reasonable price and the competition, yet again, is falling over themselves to copy it.

Apple sees the bigger picture and really can afford to play the long game. It's not all about how well something does in it's first 3 months alone and can it if it doesn't do well in that timeframe.

The MBA is half the price. That is a little more disposable than $2.5k to $3k.
 
Wrong!!! Part of the problem is that when you apply for a patent, they ask you whether you have researched the prior art. You simply say "yes" and that is enough. They don't check, they don't investigate (on the whole). This is *one* of the reasons why the patent system is flawed. The patent system is set up to grant patents - they leave it to the legal system to refute them.

Incidentally, see http://www.google.com/patents/US20090241072 for google's own patent on gesture-based unlocking. So, what does that mean?

Also, check out the wording...
Google: "Unlocking a Device by Performing Gestures on an Unlock Image"
Apple: "Indication of progress towards satisfaction of a user input condition"

Now, patents are supposed to be specific. Which of the above is more specific?

Check your facts, about half of patents get denied.
 
We're talking about patents and accusations of copying. Not who buys what for whatever reason.

Also, reading comprehension. Learn it live it love it.

Did you read my post? That was exactly what i was talking about? I guess your motto is still a work in progress for you.
 
The fact that the SG3 looks nothing like the iPhone is a strong indication that Apple used their money wisely, not wasted it. They're forcing competitors to come up with their own designs because Apple knows they have the advantage there, and having a distinct design is part of their core strategy.

And how they have forced that? Or it is only wishful thinking?
 
Unfair licensing terms by Apple. It's not a simple matter of "pay me and I won't sue your shoes off".

Any licensing terms are considered "unfair" if you don't want to pay for them in the first place.
 
Um, he does have a point.

Apple has become the bully of the play ground. They have more patent and I.P. suits with Samsung and other companies than ever. Google simply wants the ability to license, not for free, but the tech that Apple got from Fingerworks. This isn't about R&D, this is about a company that has more money than god, and is using the treasure chest to make sure no one can buy one of their cookies.

Actually, Fingerworks developed multitouch, Apple simply bought them out and adapted their tech.

You have to look at it from both sides. Let us say Google developed Android before iOS and instead of Apple, Google bought fingerworks. Do you think Google themselves would then want to licence all their patents and other tech to the competition? No way :p they'd want to have the edge in the smartphone market, like anyone would.

if the boot was on the other foot, much?
 
I rephrase it. Is there a problem with them competing in the smartphone market?

Ah cool!

In the United States we are facing some obstacles in the Energy field, this is something that hasn't seen much innovation.

In the 'ideal world' I think that Google should have focused on the important stuff. What do you think? Do you think our country needed a company with bright thinkers and innovators to focus their energy and talent on another smartphone, that is just now catching up to the iPhone?
 
The whole idea of patents does not benefit consumers, just corporations and their lawyers. Quite the opposite in fact, since the very purpose of the patent mechanism is to allow one party to either eliminate or control competition with license fees. In extreme cases, there are even patent trolls who add nothing to society but seek to make money from it:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57461110-93/patent-trolls-curb-innovation-and-cost-the-u.s-$29b-in-2011/

The computer industry would never even have gotten off the ground if the patent litigation landscape were as ridiculous as it is now. So while it's fine to defend the rights of Apple or Google or whoever to use the patent system to their advantage, maybe the whole mechanism itself is not what the world actually needs.
 
The whole idea of patents does not benefit consumers just corporations and their lawyers.

The whole idea of patents isn't to benefit the consumer. It's to protect someones idea and/or invention. How do you expect an entrepreneur to innovate and protect his inventions if there are no systems in place to so?

Benefits just corporations huh? Well, let's live in your world:

Brilliant man has idea for an invention and invents the lightning rod which protected buildings and ships from lightning damage. A savvy cherry picker steals brilliant man’s invention and makes fortune. (Ben Franklin-As brilliant man)

Brilliant man invents the light bulb, you know, for light. Another savvy cherry picker (or corporation) steals brilliant man’s invention and makes a fortune. (Thomas Edison, this time)

Noticing a trend?

Now, brilliant man decides he is no longer going to put his time, effort, and resources into making inventions because he cannot profit from them. Therefore, the utility (economist’s way of measuring satisfaction/happiness) of society as a whole plummets.

Think before you say, please.
 
Ah, I see what you did there:

If Google wants to implement the same feature in the same way, and someone else has a patent on it, then it's a "BS patent".

If Google has a patent, any patent, even if it has already been declared a standards essential patent and been committed to a FRAND agreement, then it is a "defensive patent".

If Google can't think of any other way to implement a feature, then surely that implementation of the feature must be declared "essential" and forcefully opened up for the use of all. Even if there is no "standard" under discussion, and even if that feature isn't really essential, Google can redefine those terms to suit itself.

As though it is essential that every touch device operate the exact same way; as though touch computing necessitates the elastic band snap effect when you scroll a list to the end; as though touch computing necessitates a disappearing relative scroll indicator, etc.

Really, Google, your high-handedness and sense of entitlement has to stop. It's time for you to grow up. First you think that everything on the Internet is yours, including the dictionary. Then, when you get into hardware, you think anything you see and that you can put on your device is yours. After all, "it's up to Apple to innovate and stay ahead, isn't it?" (so that you can appropriate that, too).

Yeah, Apple is that selfish child on the playground that has found a way to keep the bully from taking everyone's lunch money; and the bully is forced to do just as much work as all the other kids do for their allowance, or find another racket.

This play ground has two bullies.... They both need to grow up.
 
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