Got rid of my rMB

[boltjames]

Did that make you feel important spouting all that irrelevance? It sounds like you could get by with a NetBook.

No. I don't need a discussion forum to make me feel important. But I think it answered your product assassination quite succinctly.

BJ

This has to be one of the funniest twist on a thread that started by running down an otherwise nice Apple product because it was bottom of the range performer, which even us owners did not dispute

Yet when someone suggests it's the slightest bit elitist due to it's price/value for $ and thereby condemn all other laptops to common place the wingers cry even more LOL

Thanks for the entertainment and opinions but lets move on why we are on a high

The best part is, we can let this thread die because next week there's going to be another juicy one just like it. It's like an ice cream truck, 2PM each summer weekday you hear the music and you run.

They all end the same- some teenage Apple hater comes in to tell rich people that they're being ripped off by Apple. And then we agree with them and tell them we're actually enjoying it. And then they get even more upset. And then they go away.

BJ

No, show me the laptop with the same featureset including very importantly a comparable PPI and high screen res that I can get for $500. Where is it, because I couldn't find it.

Stop with the strawmanning already.

The argument centered around the accusation that the RMB is a "weak performer" and those who spend 3X what the RMB's "performance" is worth in today's market are utter morons.

The retina screen is not a "performance" feature, it does not make games run better, it does not allow someone to compile 4K video, it does not allow someone to earn a living coding on it, it does not address the criticism that the RMB is a weakly powered notebook. The retina screen is a "form factor" feature, and on form factor the RMB is best-in-class, unquestionably.

BJ

 

[whodatrr]

Last post on this sleeping dog, before I let it lie.

I think the mindset of PC buyers is funny in that we're always chasing these benchmarks with little regard for what these numbers will mean to our actual work and personal productivity. There's an attitude that the 12" rMB is a toy that's only useful for content consumption, while it's more than useful for the day to day tasks of many.

I'm not a benchmark guy, but let's look at GeekBench for just a second. The 64 bit multicore scores are in the 5,000 range, which sucks by the standards for most of today's computers. But look at the systems at or below that score: 2013 13" MBA (which I happen to own), 2011 13" MacBook Pros, 2010 iMacs, 2010 17" MacBook Pro, etc, etc., etc. I'd bet that quite a few people reading this thread are on similar-class performing systems. And nobody is calling their systems toys. They are certainly not the latest and greatest, but they can take care of most business needs.

Consider also that many of us are earning our keep with programs like Office 2011. If that software ran fine on a MacBook Pro with worse performance in 2011, why would it run so much worse on a more powerful system in 2015? Heck, I even find Office 365 to use less resources than 2011, so things are even snappier.

Me, I prefer a beefier system as my main workhorse, but this rMB is proving good enough for my mobile work needs.

Regarding the price, I got two open-box rMBs, each for under $1,000 (always buy open-box systems). Price out a 13 MBA with 8GB RAM and you're about there. Look at that Yoga Flex with the Core-M, and you're in that ballpark.

 

[lite426]

I'm not disagreeing with the above I noted already "Of course with any product there will always be casual buyers"

I am disagreeing that casual buyers are the main purchaser's of the rMB because it looks nice else Apple would of got their research completely wrong and the R&D budget would never be passed on such a thin demographic

How do you know casual buyers are a "thin" demographic? Within the Apple laptops selection I'd think casual buyers would be the biggest demographic for the 12" MacBook.

 

[jazz1]

Well I can't wait until the naysayers about the rMB find out I purchased (will purchase) a fully loaded iPad Pro w/cellular. Another "toy"

 

[SteveJUAE]

The best part is, we can let this thread die because next week there's going to be another juicy one just like it. It's like an ice cream truck, 2PM each summer weekday you hear the music and you run.

They all end the same- some teenage Apple hater comes in to tell rich people that they're being ripped off by Apple. And then we agree with them and tell them we're actually enjoying it. And then they get even more upset. And then they go away.

BJ

The best till last :

The real irony is that you and I are 99.99999% Windows users on Apple hardware and more pro Apple than some OSX users, in an Apple forum

 

[burgman]

Stop with the strawmanning already.

The argument centered around the accusation that the RMB is a "weak performer" and those who spend 3X what the RMB's "performance" is worth in today's market are utter morons.

The retina screen is not a "performance" feature, it does not make games run better, it does not allow someone to compile 4K video, it does not allow someone to earn a living coding on it, it does not address the criticism that the RMB is a weakly powered notebook. The retina screen is a "form factor" feature, and on form factor the RMB is best-in-class, unquestionably.

BJ

Actually never mind just read your sig, just wow...

 

[dogslobber]

The best till last :

The real irony is that you and I are 99.99999% Windows users on Apple hardware and more pro Apple than some OSX users, in an Apple forum

You two are too humble by the sounds of it.

 

[ZipZap]

Did that make you feel important spouting all that irrelevance? It sounds like you could get by with a NetBook.

Yep, he sure does like to throw that stuff around.

Perhaps Apples only goal with the rMB is testing technology for some future product.

In a few years the rMB may have the power of its big sister, and we'll all arguing over the good and bad in that.

 

[jazz1]

Perhaps Apples only goal with the rMB is testing technology for some future product.

In a few years the rMB may have the power of its big sister, and we'll all arguing over the good and bad in that.

If I'm a beta tester of the rMB I'm loving it!

 

[dogslobber]

Yep, he sure does like to throw that stuff around.

Maybe this chap is on a level superior to where I'll ever be. I'm working class and proud of it.

 

[boltjames]

The best till last :

The real irony is that you and I are 99.99999% Windows users on Apple hardware and more pro Apple than some OSX users, in an Apple forum

No doubt, my friend.

A strange group, these Mac types.

BJ

Perhaps Apples only goal with the rMB is testing technology for some future product.

In a few years the rMB may have the power of its big sister, and we'll all arguing over the good and bad in that.

I see it as the opposite. I see the Pro as Apple's "work" computer, the Air as Apple's "budget" computer, and the MacBook as the aspirational "portable" computer.

I see it as Apple realizing that in order to compete in the notebook space that they have to carve out a niche that isn't about horsepower. The Pro is for that. The bigger market is for those who don't need so much, people who do a little surfing and a little spreadsheeting, people who don't dock, people who are wireless, people who heretofore viewed a notebook as a heavy work appliance. The RMB has more than enough performance for its typical user and is so light and slim that it makes notebooks cool and convenient again.

BJ

Maybe this chap is on a level superior to where I'll ever be. I'm working class and proud of it.

You may want to keep quiet on that if you want a decent wife.

BJ

You two are too humble by the sounds of it.

Apple is a luxury brand. People pay more for Apple products. It's why your "value" argument doesn't hold water. There is no humility amongst those who overpay for designer brands. We're arrogant by nature. If we cared about value and humility we'd be using $500 HP's, not $1,500 Apple's.

BJ

 

[cycledance]

Apple is a luxury brand. People pay more for Apple products. It's why your "value" argument doesn't hold water. There is no humility amongst those who overpay for designer brands. We're arrogant by nature. If we cared about value and humility we'd be using $500 HP's, not $1,500 Apple's.

BJ

apple is not a luxury brand. apple sells premium computers. big difference.
apple cares a lot about design and material and function. u can find premium pcs and phones from other sources too tho.

but their biggest selling point is distinct software. mac os, ios and online infrastructure. all built to work together.

the only luxury they sell is some of their high priced apple watch crap.

you are so full of yourself and have no idea what u are talking about. bad combination.
also cut out the WE. you don't speak for others.

 

[Jobsian]

...accusation that the RMB is a "weak performer" and those who spend 3X what the RMB's "performance" is worth in today's market are utter morons.

The freudian projection was always gonna come. Your computer isn't weak, its performance is good, you're not a moron.

(BJ I know you're 'gnoming' really)

Enjoying the thread

 

[boltjames]

apple is not a luxury brand. apple sells premium computers. big difference.
apple cares a lot about design and material and function. u can find premium pcs and phones from other sources too tho.

but their biggest selling point is distinct software. mac os, ios and online infrastructure. all built to work together.

the only luxury they sell is some of their high priced apple watch crap.

you are so full of yourself and have no idea what u are talking about. bad combination.
also cut out the WE. you don't speak for others.

Apple isn't a luxury brand? LOL. Tell that to the minimum wage workers who clog my inbox on Craigslist when I offer up my used iPhone's and whose expressions of joy and appreciation feel like Christmas morning as they drive up in a friend's rusty Ford and hand me a fist full of sweaty $20 bills at Starbucks.

Would you not say that Apple is the BMW of the computer world? Great performance, best-in-class styling, cutting-edge technology?

Would you not say that Apple is the Ralph Lauren of the computer world? Premium pricing for products that others sell as a commodity?

Would you not say that Apple is the Rolex of the computer world? Charge 2x to 5x for a comparable product from others on the strength of their reputation, engineering, and quality of materials?

Would you not say that Apple is the Prada of the computer world? Products only available from their own stores or branded, dominant boutiques found inside other retailers locations?

Apple is not only a Luxury brand but the only Luxury brand in the world of personal computers and telephony. Not sure why this upsets you, not sure why you don't want to face this truth, not sure why it would hurt you to be associated with a brand whose fans demand the very best and are successful and want everyone else to know it.

BJ

 

[cycledance]

Apple isn't a luxury brand? LOL. Tell that to the minimum wage workers who clog my inbox on Craigslist when I offer up my used iPhone's and whose expressions of joy and appreciation feel like Christmas morning as they drive up in a friend's rusty Ford and hand me a fist full of sweaty $20 bills at Starbucks.

Would you not say that Apple is the BMW of the computer world? Great performance, best-in-class styling, cutting-edge technology?

Would you not say that Apple is the Ralph Lauren of the computer world? Premium pricing for products that others sell as a commodity?

Would you not say that Apple is the Rolex of the computer world? Charge 2x to 5x for a comparable product from others on the strength of their reputation, engineering, and quality of materials?

Would you not say that Apple is the Prada of the computer world? Products only available from their own stores or branded, dominant boutiques found inside other retailers locations?

Apple is not only a Luxury brand but the only Luxury brand in the world of personal computers and telephony. Not sure why this upsets you, not sure why you don't want to face this truth, not sure why it would hurt you to be associated with a brand whose fans demand the very best and are successful and want everyone else to know it.

BJ

definite no to everything u said. you live in some bubble you created for yourself.
and i am not going to repeat myself for u.

 

[batting1000]

I love bolt's posts.

 

[jazz1]

No doubt, my friend.

A strange group, these Mac types.

BJ



I see it as the opposite. I see the Pro as Apple's "work" computer, the Air as Apple's "budget" computer, and the MacBook as the aspirational "portable" computer.

I see it as Apple realizing that in order to compete in the notebook space that they have to carve out a niche that isn't about horsepower. The Pro is for that. The bigger market is for those who don't need so much, people who do a little surfing and a little spreadsheeting, people who don't dock, people who are wireless, people who heretofore viewed a notebook as a heavy work appliance. The RMB has more than enough performance for its typical user and is so light and slim that it makes notebooks cool and convenient again.

BJ



You may want to keep quiet on that if you want a decent wife.

BJ



Apple is a luxury brand. People pay more for Apple products. It's why your "value" argument doesn't hold water. There is no humility amongst those who overpay for designer brands. We're arrogant by nature. If we cared about value and humility we'd be using $500 HP's, not $1,500 Apple's.

BJ

Or driving SmartCars, not Bimmers I'm in total agreement with you. A product isn't worthless because I choose to pay more for quality and precision in design. I had a creaky, plastic, overheating, cheap, netbook once, and once was enough.

 

[dogslobber]

I love bolt's posts.

He wears his troll badge with distinction.

 

[batting1000]

If you've never seen him post before, it can be annoying, but I've been reading his posts for a couple years so at this point I just enjoy reading them.

 

[dogslobber]

If you've never seen him post before, it can be annoying, but I've been reading his posts for a couple years so at this point I just enjoy reading them.

Do you and he have the same IP address?

 

[dogslobber]

definite no to everything u said. you live in some bubble you created for yourself.
and i am not going to repeat myself for u.

It's become apparent to me that this individual is a troll. I think they may have a couple of accounts on this webpage. Pretty sad for an alleged multibillionaire who makes big financial decisions, and throws pennies to the unwashed & undeserving hordes at Christmas.

 

[batting1000]

Do you and he have the same IP address?

Nope lol.

 

[boltjames]

I love bolt's posts.

You should. Bolt merely is honest.

Or driving SmartCars, not Bimmers I'm in total agreement with you. A product isn't worthless because I choose to pay more for quality and precision in design. I had a creaky, plastic, overheating, cheap, netbook once, and once was enough.

This happens in luxury car forums too, people say "you give Mercedes owners a bad name, I'm in it for the performance!" as they drive their $120,000 S Class without any sport options. Somewhere along the line it became uncool to just be into a product for its badge, not sure when or why. For Apple owners to play the "I'm just in it as a workstation, it's not that special" card is about as conceited as it gets.

He wears his troll badge with distinction.

Nice try, coming from someone who is a known instigator in multiple MR forums, and someone who doesn't own a RMB. Your first three posts in this thread make your intentions here pretty clear.

Sometimes you run into a poster who a) can play your game better than you can and b) actually owns the product you disparage. This would be that time. Scurry along now. Find another forum to entertain yourself in about products you don't own and opinions that are untrue.

BJ

 

[SteveJUAE]

You chaps are just too funny

Watching/reading BJ defend you off as if he was swiping fly's off the windscreen of his +100k$ BMW at 120mph s pure entertainment value

Stop being such easy prey and move on, after all you are only achieving to diminish a brand you have bought in to in an attempt to defend an almost pointless argument

I've never witness persuade trolls before, but talk about shooting yourselves in the foot.

This is the only conclusion I can see from the continued postings on this subject

 

[cycledance]

For Apple owners to play the "I'm just in it as a workstation, it's not that special" card is about as conceited as it gets.

again. you have no idea what you are talking about.

macs are still simply computers for work and entertainment and not something to show off.

they can be shown off. especially the rmb. but i and others i know personally have worked on macs since 1993 and we see them as hassle free professional computers. do you really think companies like ibm and schools buy hundreds of thousands of macs because they wanna treat their employees with luxury?