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It would have to be a posthumous logon as my farther been dead for 8 years, but please do not feel too bad for your distasteful comment and poor attempt of humour
I'm a bit too long in the tooth to be dragged in to such a simplistic attempt to provoke, unlike your avatar I wont bite
Move on and enjoy another day
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Don't the initials "BJ" stand for something else that you can't say in a family publication? In any case, I think those initials are appropriate for someone always giving a "BJ" to Apple. I think Apple computers are great. They do the job for me. The thing is, why spend so much time "going down" on those products, a la "BJ." Maybe his dream really is to have a BMW and a trophy wife (whatever that is) someday, and in the meantime he's probably hoping Apple Corporate hires him in PR because who but BJ gives a better BJ. He is one laughable poster, BUT he should definitely learn how to use apostrophes. Hope I'm not out of line.
I'm sure BJ will take this in his stride as he must of had this remark before and after all its funny comment all be it a little personal
You may want to get a cup of coffee before you read this one...
If you don't believe that Apple is a Luxury brand I really can't have a conversation with you as it starts with that common sense understanding.
Companies buy Apple notebooks and servers for their Creative departments as they are the best and most commonly used tools in that field. For all the other departments- Finance, Sales, HR, etc. they all use cheap Windows machines which can be as much as 80% less expensive, especially when bought in bulk.
Additionally, never forget that OSX is only 4% of the market. In fact, 3x as many people on the planet are running Windows XP circa 2001 than are running Mac OS. Why? Because Mac's are expensive. They're a "luxury".
So, please, tell me again that I don't know what I'm talking about.
BJ
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You're not out of line because I have a thick skin and a good sense of humor.
However, what's really funny about your post is I'm the biggest Windows guy you'll ever meet. I only own the RMB because it's the lightest, thinnest, highest-quality Windows 10 notebook made for my travel purposes now that Sony has gone out of the space. I hate OSX. I don't understand it. I don't think it's intuitive. Apple lags way behind on market share because their operating system is archaic.
I'm not here to prop-up Apple, but I will defend my purchase from those who don't own one and act like they do. We go through this each week, by the way. Each week since May, someone comes into our forum and tells us that they've just seen a blogger video and think the RMB is the dumbest product ever made and that we're all ignorant idiots who got duped by Cupertino. Some of us stand up for ourselves and set the record straight. I'm one of them.
BJ
others think you are simply a troll. but i don't think so...and that's really worrying cause you are completely out of touch with reality.
i haven't seen so much deluded nonsense from a single person...maybe ever. (excluding religious ppl of course.)
What exactly is "delusional" about saying that Apple is a Luxury brand, makes notebooks that are more expensive than other brands, and makes its owners look special in the eyes of the majority of society?
Since you're getting judgmental and philosophical, I'll add this: I find that the people who are most out of touch with reality are those who grew up upper-middle class, got dad's hand me down Lexus, skated through a prominent university, and landed a job without much effort. They've never taken a bus, they've never dared visit a sketchy neighborhood, they live in their comfortable bubbles. See, those people don't realize that the average American annual household income is $49,000 a year, most can only afford a $129 a month Kia, most don't take vacations, most spend their days worrying about bills and putting food on the table. Oh, and that's only about 80% of the population. They're not the people you hang out with, but they exist. They're the ones who put gas in your car and vacuum your carpets. And to them, a $1,500 notebook is something special indeed.
BJ
Speak for yourself. Let's all be honest now, we're not in this for osx, the build, the untouchable trackpad, the battery and certainly not because its specs render it perfectly usable for everyday tasks at a fraction of the weight and size of similarly-specced notebooks.
We're in this because of the wow. We revel in the fact that it performs better than any netbook can ever dream of. But our hearts are contented fifty-fold if a stranger passes but one compliment.
Feeling a little guilty, maybe exposed? Don't be. Our aesthetic desires aren't entirely maladaptive. The rMB and many Apple products are social devices. They can literally generate interaction. Heck Jobs himself in a keynote mentioned something about getting a email from a guy who thanked him for inventing the iPad as he met his gf after it got her attention.
And it's even more than that. A lot of the positive aspects of my personality are something I owe to this machine. How can I explain it, ok when you don't have supportive parents to instil enough self-esteem, you have to forage it elsewhere right? Some people find it through a good family network, some find it through competence/success in their profession, some find it philosophically contemplating the practical sequelae of their increased nitrogenous tissue as they study their purple-veined bicep (no gear, we're cool).
I dunno, it appears that in an ironic existential twist my personal human deficiencies are eased with Apple corporate produce. If I own this lofty and celebrated configuration of silicone and aluminium then surely I'm a worthy person, right? In that way, Jobs is kinda my dad, if you see what I mean
Apple as a luxury brand? I can only speak to the time I'v been an Apple guy, so I'll go back to the early 90's
- Practical Buyers (90-50) - People who preferred simplicity over performance and price. Our macs were much more expensive and starting too fall behind their PC counterparts. They were also every bit as ugly as them, though typically smaller. We knew that, though Macs were more expensive and slower, we could be more productive with them.
- Nostalgic Buyers (95-00)- The dwindling few who held on to the prior greatness of the Mac. The OS sucked, the hardware wasn't even half as powerful, and we were losing apps left and right. We knew that we were living on borrowed time, but tried holding on as long as we could.
- Different-Thinking Buyers (00-05) - the OS leapfrogged windows overnight, and the hardware started to look and feel unique. While raw power was still a bit behind, the systems looked and felt differently. Also, enter the iPod and its halo effect. Apple stuff was still overpriced, but not as badly as it had been in the past, relative to performance. We now recognized that we could do some unique things with Macs that we couldn't with other systems.
- LuxuryBuyers (05-10) - Our systems now performed as well or better than their PC counterparts. For the first time, Mac Buyers could pay a premium knowing that they they had the baddest systems around, both in terms of performance and usability. This is where previously unheard of things started happening, like people buying Macs to run Windows, for the hardware. And yeah, people paid dearly for the Apple logo.
- Mainstream Buyers (10-15) - Macs are now mainstream, and now issued buy many corporations. While Macs are still a bit pricier than low-end competitors, some models can be had for moderate prices. Apple is also now facing premium competition from premium models that differentiate on features and design, instead of just price. But yes, Apple is still seen as a bit of a luxury brand, to most. Then again, it's still got a bit of the lingering "toy" reputation, from the 1990's.
here is definition of luxury cause you clearly don´t know what it means:
luxury |ˈlʌkʃ(ə)ri| noun (pl.luxuries)
[ mass noun ] a state of great comfort or elegance, especially when involving great expense: he lived a life of luxury.
•[ count noun ] an inessential, desirable item which is expensive or difficult to obtain: luxuries like chocolate, scent, and fizzy wine.
• [ in sing. ] a pleasure obtained only rarely: they actually had the luxury of a whole day together.
adjective [ attrib. ] luxurious or of the nature of a luxury: a luxury yacht | luxury goods.
ORIGIN Middle English (denoting lechery): from Old French luxurie, luxure, from Latin luxuria, from luxus ‘excess’. The earliest current sense dates from the mid 17th cent.
i did. your whole post is the complete opposite. hypocrisy much?
Speak for yourself. Let's all be honest now, we're not in this for osx, the build, the untouchable trackpad, the battery and certainly not because its specs render it perfectly usable for everyday tasks at a fraction of the weight and size of similarly-specced notebooks.
We're in this because of the wow. We revel in the fact that it performs better than any netbook can ever dream of. But our hearts are contented fifty-fold if a stranger passes but one compliment.
Feeling a little guilty, maybe exposed? Don't be. Our aesthetic desires aren't entirely maladaptive. The rMB and many Apple products are social devices. They can literally generate interaction. Heck Jobs himself in a keynote mentioned something about getting a email from a guy who thanked him for inventing the iPad as he met his gf after it got her attention.
And it's even more than that. A lot of the positive aspects of my personality are something I owe to this machine. How can I explain it, ok when you don't have supportive parents to instil enough self-esteem, you have to forage it elsewhere right? Some people find it through a good family network, some find it through competence/success in their profession, some find it philosophically contemplating the practical sequelae of their increased nitrogenous tissue as they study their purple-veined bicep (no gear, we're cool).
I dunno, it appears that in an ironic existential twist my personal human deficiencies are eased with Apple corporate produce. If I own this lofty and celebrated configuration of silicone and aluminium then surely I'm a worthy person, right? In that way, Jobs is kinda my dad, if you see what I mean
Ohhh I've gone all warm and fuzzy, Note to self remember to hug my rMB more LOL
I think Apple have done more than most other OEM's in encouraging those Females/Males that would otherwise be disinterested in tech and certainly woke up many Americans to the world of smartphones that was stifled originally by the control of the telcom SP's
I didn't say Apple products are luxuries; I said Apple is a Luxury Brand. "Cause" I went to college.
Surely the anti-RMB zealots can put up a better advocate than this.
BJ
Today a twig wedged itself between my outdoor bar and the chimney to the fireplace, was really jammed in there and bothersome to me.
So I grabbed a hammer, shoved the RMB in the gap above the twig, gave it a few whacks, and out came the twig. I mean really, an Apple notebook is so inexpensive and pedestrian, so disposable, such a non-luxury, it's nice to have a few laying around the house for odd-jobs like this. Sort of like toothpicks.
BJ
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I know what you mean, I thought that if I go on holiday why fit a lock to the cat flap just wedge any old spare rMB in the hole, job done
My biggest regret in getting the rMB was the lack of illuminated Logo it was so nice to highlight any lead crystal glassware ornaments placed on the lid, why did Apple ever remove this functionality ?
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Personally I don't see Apple`s products as luxury purchase, barring a few limited exceptions. I do see Apple as a premium provider of accessible technology offering a different theme. The reality is; what you run & what you use is academic, only one thing counts "output" be it OS X, Windows, Linux...
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surprised it took you that long to notice....i bought mine on launch day and it only took me less than a couple hours to figure out it wasn't for me. I also had bought the space gray....insane amount of finger prints after barely using it. Couldn't imagine what the machine would look like if i still had it.
Any computer is "expensive" and a "luxury". Just depends on how you define "expensive"/"luxury" and what you compare it with. In case of Apple it is mostly the design that make people consider it to be "luxury". That said, I still don't get it why people rush out to the store and buy a new Apple product the day it is available for sale then later that week return it because it doesn't suit their needs or because it finally sinks in that they simply don't have the money to buy it. As if they've completely lost their minds.
If we took the point of view from the very poorest to the richest and had associated descriptions like premium, high end, luxury, high quality, value, capable, comprehensive etc etc
Then you would range from everything is expensive to everything is cheap based on your income/spending power
However I expect Apple would be one of the few that retain the greatest number of associated titles over the range of incomes till you hit the point where your income is sufficient to call them all cheap, for example
We could also infer from Apples low market shares of world wide phones or laptops, yet one of the wealthiest companies it's not competing in the bottom rungs of pricing structures and so by most is perceived as a premium brand. Apple themselves admit this.
Apple branding has been very successful in further convincing the must have's, hence the queues on release days and the fact that this technology seems to get more expensive not cheaper.
The invention of mobile phones has been revolutionary and life saving. What is screwed up IMO is convincing the low/middle income families the necessity to be mobile data connected. This with bundled plans etc on free minutes or sms of which just encourage excess usage for some, in the strive to use your monthly allowance further burdens many family incomes.
Apple isn't aiming at a certain price range, they are aiming at things like quality and usability. It's the consumer who is thinking in price tags and comparing it to other products.
Manufacturers, politicians, ordinary people and so on have always tried to convince someone else of a necessity (or what they believe to be a necessity) and will always do so. You're doing it here now. The problem is that we now live in an era where people have no self-control/restraint. You don't have to buy something nor do you have to buy it NOW. Most products are not limited editions that sell like hot cakes. That's the screwed up part. People used to resist those temptations which they don't any more.
Manufacturers, politicians, ordinary people and so on have always tried to convince someone else of a necessity (or what they believe to be a necessity) and will always do so. You're doing it here now. The problem is that we now live in an era where people have no self-control/restraint. You don't have to buy something nor do you have to buy it NOW. Most products are not limited editions that sell like hot cakes. That's the screwed up part. People used to resist those temptations which they don't any more.
I agree with your sentiments but not your 1st point
Apple are very aware of their price and where it falls in the market you can find many a quote from their CEO's to confirm this both literally and subjectively, they would not be successful otherwise. Nor would we see such minimal incremental updates and they encourage the consumer comparison.
To suggest they have pure goals of quality and usability etc that ends up at some final price would be an ideology that does not survive very long in todays commercial world. Their price point certainly allows some of the things you suggest but it will be very carefully calculated to the nth degree when you are producing +50m products.