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GPU in the 2011 15/17"?
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525??? So that would be a downgrade adjusting for the newer series!
525??? So that would be a downgrade adjusting for the newer series!
525M would be a slight improvement over the current 330M. The 6830M smokes both of them.
13" MBP has always had integrated graphics. When Intel's graphics are the only ones to use, that's what they will be forced to use.
15" and 17" MBP have a 23 watt discrete GPU. NVIDIA and AMD's latest offerings around that TDP are what I listed above.
In case you didn't notice that those two cards are awful, I'm just bashing Apple for putting Intel HD 3000s in the 13" MacBoos.
And I gave you an explanation as to why Apple is using Intel's IGP and why Apple will most likely be using the two GPU's I listed in the 15" and 17".
If you want to bash anyone then bash Intel for literally forcing their IGP on everyone.
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No need to rain on the parade of those looking forward to the 15" and 17".
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No need to rain on the parade of those looking forward to the 15" and 17".
They aren't forcing their IGP on anybody, it was Apple's choice not to put a separate GPU in the 13'' MBP.
We don't know if the 13" can handle a separate GPU on top of the already integrated one. Heat dissipation is a factor along with battery life.
Well, Intel is forcing their IGP on everyone who takes a Core i-series CPU. A discrete GPU would operate alongside and not instead of the IGP.
I'm glad someone else thinks 6830m is possible. Now all close your eyes and wish very very hard. 6830, 6830, 6830, 6830.....
I suppose Intel is also forcing ram slots on us too. Apple only recently decided to fill these with 4GB's standard anyways.
The is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for Apples lack of a dedicated GPU in the 13". Apple continues to make the 13" overpriced and undesirable to potential switchers. Why? Greed!
Thermal issues can be cleared by clocking the GPU to a reasonable level. Even underclocked, the user would be able to take advantage of simple things like core's & shader's.
Its insane that (Aside from OSX and trackpad) They let the 1.5 year old Sony Z still slaughter them spec wise. Hell, the Z even has a 1080p screen! I don't need a 10+ hour battery Apple! Heres another news flash, most professionals using their MBP's for intensive work use the charger anyways.
Seriously, there is absolutely ZERO point to this new refresh. Unless we find some big surprises on CTO, or you want lightpeak REAL early, what would you do on the 13" MBP that would actually take advantage of the CPU bump? Video conversion? Still not worth the scratch IMO.
I do believe that the 13" MBP is Apple's best-selling laptop for quite a while now, so I'm curious as to how you can claim that they are undesirable to switchers. Unless your singular opinion (and possibly some other people you know) can back up such a bold claim.
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-d
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To the guy over me.
Think about what you are saying for 5 seconds.
Does the fact that a product sold good in the past make it a absolute seller in the future?
The ignorance
To the guy over me.
Think about what you are saying for 5 seconds.
Does the fact that a product sold good in the past make it a absolute seller in the future?
The ignorance
If that's directed at my comment…. I have thought about it and I realize (and perhaps you don't) that word tense counts. As such, the comment I replied to used "continues." Dictionaries define that as "persisting in an activity or process."
I have no crystal ball here didn't make any future predictions. I was simply talking about the past and present.
-d
edit: However, I do believe that it will continue to be their best seller in the future, in case you were wondering.
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Well, you have three options:
Buy an Apple product.
Buy another computer.
Build one yourself.
Which one will you do? Run along now...
The 6830M is likely too hot. A 66x0M makes a little more sense.
Either you're a troll or you are aggressively unknowledgable. Welcome aboard!
This.
No, it was the laws of physics. You can't fit room for a discrete GPU where there is none. The end.
Again, it's likely too hot. Some form of 6600M is much more likely given the thermal envelope we're dealing with here.
Well, chalk it up to engineering. As for the price, the 13" MacBook Pro (at least the Mid-2010 model) is the single most overpriced model in the entire Mac line. Lucky (ingenious) for Apple, it has been a top seller.
He means undesirable for "power user" switchers. Otherwise, it's a pretty appealing intro to the Mac platform if you are switching from Winblows.
The 6370M is probably too low, though it'd have been perfect for the 13" Pro were they using AMD Processors and IGPs. I'd, again, hedge bets on the 66x0M being the AMD consideration, if we are, in fact, going that route this time around.
That's also not correct, they could have made the battery smaller to include a discrete GPU in the current model. Regardless, I was actually referring to the upcoming model.
Where did you see 24W? Wiki says 39W.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Radeon_HD_6xxxM_Series