Granite's iBook G3 Clamshells

[bunnspecial]

I decided to pop on this little SSD for the IDE adapter I have that I purchased after Bunnspecial recommended them to me.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221710472881?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

I decided I didnt need a 128gb drive, or even a 64gb drive. This 32gb drive will do the job perfectly for my old clamshell. I just hope it all works when I get it in and put it together.

Good luck, and please let us know how it works out!

My one Clamshell(366mhz FW) is pleasantly fast(it actually "feels" faster than my 500mhz Pismo with 1gb of RAM), but the hard drive is annoyingly loud on what otherwise should be a silent laptop.

That's a great price on the SSDs you linked. 128gb honestly is overkill for most of the applications where I've used them, but I've just been buying that size out of habit because I can get them for about $20 more than the one you linked. Granted, that's twice the price, but still a small difference all things considered.

I was helping a professor today with installing a new SSD(regular SATA) in his 5-year old laptop. I was quite surprised to see that he'd bought a 1TB drive. It was a brand I'd never heard of, but he said it got good reviews on Newegg. We were talking about how inexpensive SSDs have become, and my curiosity got the better of me. Not that long ago(2-3 years ago), a 1TB SSD would have been approaching $1000 if not more. He paid $350 for this particular one. I was absolutely floored.

 

[redheeler]

They'll be discontinuing server side connection support for it. Thus, you won't ever be able to log in or use it again.

Glad to see that over 8 months later you're still wrong about this. Actually more like 9.

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An orange iBook. I've always wanted that colour, haven't gotten one yet. Someday...

Good luck with that, my Tangerine iBook Clamshell (now deceased due to a failed DC-in board) was my first PPC Mac. Definitely one of the most unique laptops ever made.

 

[GraniteTheWolf]

Lets see how this goes.

installing OSX currently:

Before installing into my iBook I first put the ssd in a USB external and formatted it as a apple partition mapped Mac OS extended Journaled drive.

 

[GraniteTheWolf]

The install was a success, and rather fast compared to the usual! Currently I am on the desktop downloading and installing the updates.

After that I plan to hook up the old hard drive in an external case and copy over the bit of stuff I had on it.

 

[GraniteTheWolf]

So far so good. I ran XBench and got almost 40mb/secs average on read and writes, some in the 30s. About 2-3 times as fast as the hard drive that was in it.

Its notably faster to load things, despite processing on heavy tasks still remaining to take a while.

Overall Id say this is a worthwhile upgrade. Its totally silent, boots faster, and the battery life has increased slightly!

 

[GraniteTheWolf]

Had a peek inside the system report details, turns out the iBook actually identifies the SSD as it is. Neat!
I figured it would of shown the Chinese controller adapter's name.

 

[bobesch]

Hi folks,
glad to find this thread, since I'm also a bit mad about old Macs (but only the PPC or early intel-generations, because I'm not familiar to OS previous OS X)
After switching to Macs in 2009 for private and home-office use, I still have to use a Win2008Server-network that is essential for my work.
It's really fun to get both environments connected and because of a lot of WinXP-Clients at work got outdated I started to replace them with old Macs as thin-clients for RemoteDesktop-sessions.

I had a Cube G4, an iMac G4 and G5 working as "thin"-clients in my network. Great fun. Unfortunately upgrading the server to another 5 Terminal-Licenses the MS RemoteDesktop-App for PPC proved to be outdated for the client-licensing procedure of MS-Server. Too bad. Now there are 2nd-hand white iMacs intel core2duo with Lion doing the job. (all together cheaper than even a RasPi&Monitor-solution as a thin client.) That's all about the desktop-Macs.

Another field where old PPC-software proved to be useful has been education and meetings or whenever USB-sticks are to be connected to your laptop. Always caused me slight discomfort when using my new MacBook.
So i got two iBooks G4 for this purpose. Both with 1,33MHz processor and RAM at the maximum of 1,5GB. One is connected to the beamer, open for other USB-media and creating a local Hotspot. The other iBook connects to that one at the Beamer for ScreenSharing and FileAccess. Both iBooks run on Leopard and for presentations MS Office 2004 does the job pretty fast and good. For those cases with docx/xlsx/pptx-files there's also another Office 2008 installation on board which is even reasonably fast.
After Dropbox kicked PPC-support now WebDAV is my favorite mean to share files via cloud. Even if it doesn't work automatically in the background (as Dropbox did) CarbonCopyCloner or ChronoSync are doing a pretty good job.
With the inbuilt VPN-Client-Option I might even connect the iBook to my WinServer2008-Network at work (PPC-Tiger/Leopard is missing the Cisco-protocoll but another one could be established with those protocols included in Tiger/Leopard). But I'm really disappointed, that the MSRemoteDesktop-Application is outdated. Argh - it is not a matter of hardware.
The only workaround is to connect to a Win7Client via RDP-Session. Fortunately TeamViewer is still working on PCC (v.7).

The one legacy-Mac on my wish list had been a Clamshell and I'm really happy that I've got a 433MHz Graphite at a reasonable price on e..y last week. Since it has only a 10GB HDD I also think about upgrading to any SSD.
One of the iBooksG4 got an expensive OWC-PATA-64GB-SSD since it needed a reliable and rock-solid solution for the purpose of serving as a fast beamer-connected device.
The Clamshell is somehow a kind of hobby even if I think about using it as a machine for writing, spreadsheets, presentations, email, WebDAV-Connection, music and VPN/RDP (TeamViewer/MSRDP-Client/VNC). I hope, eyeTV/VNC will also work. (It's like driving an historic car. A small toy steam-engine. etc.)

My question is about using these PATA/IDE-SATA-adapters and compatibility with the Clamshell.
Do you have any information about products and reliability.
Cheers,
Robert

 

[eyoungren]

Hi folks,
glad to find this thread, since I'm also a bit mad about old Macs (but only the PPC or early intel-generations, because I'm not familiar to OS previous OS X)
After switching to Macs in 2009 for private and home-office use, I still have to use a Win2008Server-network that is essential for my work.
It's really fun to get both environments connected and because of a lot of WinXP-Clients at work got outdated I started to replace them with old Macs as thin-clients for RemoteDesktop-sessions.

I had a Cube G4, an iMac G4 and G5 working as "thin"-clients in my network. Great fun. Unfortunately upgrading the server to another 5 Terminal-Licenses the MS RemoteDesktop-App for PPC proved to be outdated for the client-licensing procedure of MS-Server. Too bad. Now there are 2nd-hand white iMacs intel core2duo with Lion doing the job. (all together cheaper than even a RasPi&Monitor-solution as a thin client.) That's all about the desktop-Macs.

Another field where old PPC-software proved to be useful has been education and meetings or whenever USB-sticks are to be connected to your laptop. Always caused me slight discomfort when using my new MacBook.
So i got two iBooks G4 for this purpose. Both with 1,33MHz processor and RAM at the maximum of 1,5GB. One is connected to the beamer, open for other USB-media and creating a local Hotspot. The other iBook connects to that one at the Beamer for ScreenSharing and FileAccess. Both iBooks run on Leopard and for presentations MS Office 2004 does the job pretty fast and good. For those cases with docx/xlsx/pptx-files there's also another Office 2008 installation on board which is even reasonably fast.
After Dropbox kicked PPC-support now WebDAV is my favorite mean to share files via cloud. Even if it doesn't work automatically in the background (as Dropbox did) CarbonCopyCloner or ChronoSync are doing a pretty good job.
With the inbuilt VPN-Client-Option I might even connect the iBook to my WinServer2008-Network at work (PPC-Tiger/Leopard is missing the Cisco-protocoll but another one could be established with those protocols included in Tiger/Leopard). But I'm really disappointed, that the MSRemoteDesktop-Application is outdated. Argh - it is not a matter of hardware.
The only workaround is to connect to a Win7Client via RDP-Session. Fortunately TeamViewer is still working on PCC (v.7).

The one legacy-Mac on my wish list had been a Clamshell and I'm really happy that I've got a 433MHz Graphite at a reasonable price on e..y last week. Since it has only a 10GB HDD I also think about upgrading to any SSD.
One of the iBooksG4 got an expensive OWC-PATA-64GB-SSD since it needed a reliable and rock-solid solution for the purpose of serving as a fast beamer-connected device.
The Clamshell is somehow a kind of hobby even if I think about using it as a machine for writing, spreadsheets, presentations, email, WebDAV-Connection, music and VPN/RDP (TeamViewer/MSRDP-Client/VNC). I hope, eyeTV/VNC will also work. (It's like driving an historic car. A small toy steam-engine. etc.)

My question is about using these PATA/IDE-SATA-adapters and compatibility with the Clamshell.
Do you have any information about products and reliability.
Cheers,
Robert

Robert, I pretty much just scanned your message, but I did want to mention three things that may help you.

1. OSXVNC. Installs as service on OS X Macs and allows you to use VNC to connect. OS9VNC if you use OS9 Macs.
2. Chicken of the VNC on Mac (VNC viewer) or UltraVNC on PC (Client/Viewer). RDP sucks sir!
3. Dropbox for PowerPC is not dead.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/reconnect-unsupported-leopard-macs-to-dropbox.1865621/

 

[bobesch]

My question is about using these PATA/IDE-SATA-adapters and compatibility with the Clamshell.
Do you have any information about products and reliability.
Cheers,
Robert

I've ordered a DeLock Ide2mSata-Converter plus Transcend mSata yesterday. The combination has got good reviews.
https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B00K6...e=UTF8&refRID=VZK5AXYB5BJJGPQTZKRE&th=1&psc=1
https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B00ELC8GFO/ref=ya_aw_oh_bia_dp?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I'm gonna let you how the combination fits with the Clamshell.

 

[bobesch]

... want to mention three things that may help you.

1. OSXVNC. Installs as service on OS X Macs and allows you to use VNC to connect. OS9VNC if you use OS9 Macs.
2. Chicken of the VNC on Mac (VNC viewer) or UltraVNC on PC (Client/Viewer). RDP sucks sir!
3. Dropbox for PowerPC is not dead.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/reconnect-unsupported-leopard-macs-to-dropbox.1865621/

Thanks!
I'm quite familiar with VNC, but to be honest, that solution didn't come to my mind yet. Maybe because I'm a bit shy to put experimental stuff onto my business-server and the MS RDP-Client for PPC did a good job, until the licence-update desaster did happen ...
VNC cannot be used to open a new Windows session, but I could do this job with my iPhone anyway.
I think I'm going to give VNC a try, but before that I have to get some local help to setup VPN-settings via DynDNS with one of Tiger's/Leopard's inbuild VPN-protocols. (VPN-/DynDNS/Router-setting
Would be great to see the Cube hooked up to the network again.
As for Dropbox-resurrection I 'm looking forward to give it a try as soon as I'm back home from holidays.

 

[bobesch]

(about PATA-mSata-Connectors) ...
One caveat I will offer is that I've never been able to get these to work in an external enclosure, although they work fine installed in the computer.

Maybe not enough power, if your external enclosure has no other additional power-supply. The USB-1 port doesn't offer the same power as those ones, new MacBooks come with. My combination of mSata+IDE-Connector worked nicely on a single USB-2.0 port of my 12" iBookG4, when I preformatted the mSata-Card in advance of the installation into my Clamshell.
Sorry I didn't check it with the clamshell itself (but the Clamshell did have MacOS9 installed to it and I'm not familiar with that OS).

Concerning other external USB2/USB3-harddrives the Clamshell doesn't recognize those drives as long as they are only connected with the single USB1 port of the Clamshell.

I did a workaround by using an Y-USB-cable or Y-USB-extension-cord plugging the additional "power-side" of thy Y-cable into another USB-power-source - either my external 10.000mAh battery (that I use to recharge iPhone/iPad whenoff home/office) or the USB-port of another Mac. It's helpful to have a 2m USB-extension-cord available to bridge any longer distance.

 

[bobesch]

Yeah, mSata Upgrade rocks!

The same night we returned home from holiday I couldn't resist to install the mSata-drive into my clamshell.

It was a bit of a hassle because nearly the whole unit had to be detached following the steps of ifixit!.com.

Later, when installing Tiger and software I found a nice website www.ibook-clamshell.com, where the owner of the website demonstrates his "quick&dirty" way to get access to the harddrive without detaching the monitor etc. (funny - a few days before the same person sold me a transparent Dicota-Bag and spare parts on ebay an now the apple logo on the cover is complete again and my clamshell got a replacement for the broken upper-case).

I'm really stunned how fast and silent this old machine runs now. Compared to the iBookG4 with a 1,2MHz-processor an maxed-out RAM of 1,25GM and the OWC-PATA-harddrive booting into the system is nearly the same speed. (admittingly the iBookG4 runs Leopard which slows everything really down. I once tried Leopard on a white iBookG8 with 800Mhz which was really a hassle...)

Today, everything is setup nicely exept from some old software I'm desperately looking for.

Here a list of progs running on the Clamshell with OSX Tiger:

Office:
- MS Office 2004 and OpenXLS Converter
- LibreOffice 3.x
- iWorks'09
- AbiWord
- NotationalVelocity
- Combine PDFs 3
- PDF Merge
- PalmDesktop (still on my todo-list)

Graphic/Pictures:
- Paintbrush
- iPhoto'04 (you have to open the archive of the iLife'04 installation-file to get access to the single applications, since iLife'04 refuses to be installed on the Clamshell.
- Xee

Video:
- VLC
- RealPlayer
- eyeTV
- MPEG-Streamclip

Music:
- iTunes 8.2.1 (it's a shame 9.x don't run since 8.x does't give you access to shared iTunes media in your home-network if those sources run higher versions of iTunes)

WebClients:
- FirstClass10
- Browsers: Safari / iCab / FireFox / Camino
- email: Thunderbird
- Adlum

Connectivity:
- RealVNC /Chicken
- MS RemoteDesktop
- Cyberduck

System:
- AppCleaner
- CarbonCopyCloner
- SuperDuper!
- FileSync
- TrueCrypt 7.0
- Adobe FlashPlayer
- Perian

Since that Drobbox-workaround, eyoungren kindly told me about, is not compliant to Tiger, WebDAV is still the best way to the cloud... (e.g. GMX/T-Online as local providers)

I'm still looking for some legacy programs from the developers "DareToBeCreative", since their business is down:
- iCombiner 1.3 or previous (Combines PDF or Pictures to a single PDF-File)
- iArchiver
- ResizeMe (resizes pictures)
- Renamer (batch-renaming files)

... and for some PDF-editor(s), to make edit PDF's (highlighting, add text or graphic e.g. stamp and signatur which allows to edit, sigh and fax documents on the clamshell)

Maybe there are some more proposals about software ...

Here's a list of my hardware-mods:

- EDIMAX EW-7811UN Wireless USB Adapter, 150 Mbit/s, IEEE802.11b/g/n (8€)
(provides Software for PPC Tiger/Leopard and fits snuggly into the USB-Port)

- Delock 62495 Konverter IDE 44 Pin > mSATA mit 2.5? Rahmen (7 mm) (27€)
(the Delock-frame can be fixed with 4 screws provided with the package, so the SSD is really fixed instead of just clambed in the iBooks HDD-frame)

- Transcend MSA370 interne mSATA SSD 128GB (mSATA, 6Gb/s, MLC) (62€)
(big enough to fit all my Songs on iTunes to make the Clamshell a nice and funky jukebox - otherwise I really do enjoy the complete silence of the machine

Cheers and have fun!

 

[bobesch]

Here some photos about my Clamshells and modding the harddrive.
To keep all the tiny screws together I use to prick them step-by-step and in order into a little sticky-note-paper and fix them with clear-sticky-tape.
The tiny Wifi-USB-stick fits perfectly into the niche of the USB-port without standing out over the Clamshell's outer edge.
I love the wallpaper with the logo of one of the latest WWDCs. It does pretty nice fit the Clamshell's colourful design

 

[128keaton]

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Here some photos about my Clamshells and modding the harddrive.
To keep all the tiny screws together I use to prick them step-by-step and in order into a little sticky-note-paper and fix them with clear-sticky-tape.
The tiny Wifi-USB-stick fits perfectly into the niche of the USB-port without standing out over the Clamshell's outer edge.
I love the wallpaper with the logo of one of the latest WWDCs. It does pretty nice fit the Clamshell's colourful design

It certainly is a gorgeous iBook. I've yet to see or touch one, you are lucky to have two. Anyway, welcome to the forums, we love good, knowledgable people around here.

 

[bobesch]

It certainly is a gorgeous iBook. I've yet to see or touch one, you are lucky to have two. Anyway, welcome to the forums, we love good, knowledgable people around here.

Thanks!
I've got theese iBooks recently. Maybe to catch up history - but they are really hip!
Anyway, it's crazy to fiddle around with such old machines alongside "modern" technology.
I've got a drawer full of old Palm PDAs at home (Pilot, IIIxe, TRGpro) sharing the same period when the different Clamshells hit the shelves. It was fun to get most out of theese little PDA helpers. Same with the Clamshell and Tiger and the legacy software still available.
Video-capture and editing in 2000 on a low-end PC had been SVCD-Standard and I've got a bunch of old CD's with TV-Captures of that time. Tonight I'm stunned finally managing to view DVD-Video on the clamshell (even if it's a bit picky about the kind of DVD: my "homemade" DVD's coming from eyeTV captured didn't work)
Funny, but in 2000 and later apple-computers hadn't been in my focus (a small city, somewhere in the middle of nowhere of germany).
Starting my business in 2003 I've got a Windows-Server2003-network and WinXP peripherals. Capable to get my work done but always somehow awkward to maintain.
I've got my first apple-device in 2009 - a MacBookPro - and since, working, paperless home-office, connectivity etc is really more fun. Especially music and entertainment-
There are only a few windows-machine left now - a server2008 with 7 terminal licences and a few workstations with windows7pro, all doing their job. But it's really fun to have only legacy Macs to serve as "thin"-clients. And it's also fun to figure out to get Macs and PCs properly connected.
When I started to use my first MacBook and was looking for some help in Mac-related discussion groups I was a bit dissapointed about the attitude of some of the repliers which I may now call narrow-minded.
It's really pleasant now to read the friendly discussion within this thread and I appreciate your warm welcome.
Nice to be here

 

[128keaton]

Thanks!
I've got theese iBooks recently. Maybe to catch up history - but they are really hip!
Anyway, it's crazy to fiddle around with such old machines alongside "modern" technology.
I've got a drawer full of old Palm PDAs at home (Pilot, IIIxe, TRGpro) sharing the same period when the different Clamshells hit the shelves. It was fun to get most out of theese little PDA helpers. Same with the Clamshell and Tiger and the legacy software still available.
Video-capture and editing in 2000 on a low-end PC had been SVCD-Standard and I've got a bunch of old CD's with TV-Captures of that time. Tonight I'm stunned finally managing to view DVD-Video on the clamshell (even if it's a bit picky about the kind of DVD: my "homemader" DVD's coming from eyeTV captured didn't work)
Funny, but in 2000 and later apple-computers hadn't been in my focus (a small city, somewhere in the middle of nowhere of germany).
Starting my business in 2003 I've got a Windows-Server2003-network and WinXP peripherals. Capable to get my work done but always somehow awkward to maintain.
I've got my first apple-device in 2009 - a MacBookPro - and since, working, paperless home-office, connectivity etc is really more fun. Especially music and entertainment-
There are only a few windows-machine left now - a server2008 with 7 terminal licences and a few workstations with windows7pro, all doing their job. But it's really fun to have only legacy Macs to serve as "thin"-clients. And it's also fun to figure out to get Macs and PCs properly connected.
When I started to use my first MacBook and was looking for some help in Mac-related discussion groups I was a bit dissapointed about the attitude of some of the repliers which I may now call narrow-minded.
It's really pleasant now to read the friendly discussion within this thread and I appreciate your warm welcome.
Nice to be here

I agree with the narrow-mindedness of the MacBook and Pro sections of the forum. I have a late 2011 that was beeping occasionally when sleeping and the forum users told me to buy a new one. Ugh.

 

[bobesch]

Robert, I pretty much just scanned your message, but I did want to mention three things that may help you.

1. OSXVNC. Installs as service on OS X Macs and allows you to use VNC to connect. OS9VNC if you use OS9 Macs.
2. Chicken of the VNC on Mac (VNC viewer) or UltraVNC on PC (Client/Viewer). RDP sucks sir!
3. Dropbox for PowerPC is not dead.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/reconnect-unsupported-leopard-macs-to-dropbox.1865621/

Eyoungren,
thank you so much for the hint about VNC. Today I found some spare time to finish installation and put the Cube onto my desk again.
It is back in game ...
And the Clamshell will find a worthy place into the network-setting, too.
The VNC-connection is quickly responding and offers a crispy clear picture of the server session.
Many thanks.
Robert

 

[eyoungren]

Eyoungren,
thank you so much for the hint about VNC. Today I found some spare time to finish installation and put the Cube on my desk again.
It is back in game
And the Clamshell will find a worthy place into the network-setting, too.
The VNC-connection is quickly responding and offers a crispy clear picture of the server session.
Many thanks.
Robert

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You're very welcome!

I've used UltraVNC for our server/PCs at work and Chicken of the VNC/OSXVNC/OS9VNC for the Macs here at work since I was hired in 2004. It's always worked.

I have a G4/350 PCI that I use as an Applescript server and I run it headless (without a video card). The only way to see what's on screen is through VNC.

It just works!

 

[bobesch]

You're very welcome!
I've used UltraVNC for our server/PCs at work and Chicken of the VNC/OSXVNC/OS9VNC for the Macs here at work since I was hired in 2004. It's always worked.
I have a G4/350 PCI that I use as an Applescript server and I run it headless (without a video card). The only way to see what's on screen is through VNC.
It just works!

BTW, how did you manage to connect 6 display to the Quicksilver?
I've got a Quicksilver and an acrylic 17" display for 30$ incidentally when I picked up my Clamshell...
Didn't fire it up yet - maybe it's not working at all - but if it shall work, I'd like to try a setting with 4 acrylic displays (two 20" and 17")

 

[eyoungren]

BTW, how did you manage to connect 6 display to the Quicksilver?
I've got a Quicksilver and an acrylic 17" display for 30$ incidentally when I picked up my Clamshell...
Didn't fire it up yet - maybe it's not working at all - but if it shall work, I'd like to try a setting with 4 acrylic displays (two 20" and 17")

The secret is that I have three video cards.

I have one ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (AGP), one ATI Radeon 9200 (PCI) and one flashed Radeon 7000 (also PCI).

All three video cards support dual DVI/VGA. Now the Studio Displays and the Cinema Display are ADC so to hook them up it requires three Apple A1006 ADC/DVI converters. One of those I got free from a member here and the other two I picked up for around $50 total.

The other three displays have VGA ports so I have them hooked up to the VGA ports on the three cards.

 

[bobesch]

The secret is that I have three video cards.
I have one ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (AGP), one ATI Radeon 9200 (PCI) and one flashed Radeon 7000 (also PCI).
All three video cards support dual DVI/VGA. Now the Studio Displays and the Cinema Display are ADC so to hook them up it requires three Apple A1006 ADC/DVI converters. One of those I got free from a member here and the other two I picked up for around $50 total.
The other three displays have VGA ports so I have them hooked up to the VGA ports on the three cards.

That's really interesting an inspiring!
I was sure it was a matter of more than one graphic-card, but I didn't know, it was possile at all to use them side-by-side. Are there any Graphic-cards that sports both ADP plus DVI/VGA since I have only two acrylic displays with ADP-Adapter.
I'm really looking forward to run the Quicksilver plus 4 attached displays...

 

[bunnspecial]

Most G4 AGP cards support dual displays, but if you want DVI+ADC the only AGP cards I'm aware of with it are the Radeon 9000 and the GEForce 4Ti. The Rage 128, Radeon 7500, and GEForce 2MX(non Twin View) support only a single display.

A lot of the more common G5 cards also have DVI+ADC. Offhand, the FX5200, Radeon 9600XT, and the X800/X850 have ADC+DVI. Of these three, the 9600XT is readily adapted to work in a G4(4x AGP) but requires some additional work to get power to the ADC port.

 

[eyoungren]

I'm not aware either of any PCI card that has ADC. ADC takes advantage of the AGP slot. Even the Rage 128 that has ADC is an AGP card.

So, if you want to use another ADC display you're going to need one of the converters. There was also a brand called Dr. Bot that manufactured an ADC/DVI and an ADC/VGA converter but they are hard to find and expensive. The A1006 converters have come down in price though. They used to be $100 and then went down to $50. You can find one now though for around $25-30.

 

[LightBulbFun]

Most G4 AGP cards support dual displays, but if you want DVI+ADC the only AGP cards I'm aware of with it are the Radeon 9000 and the GEForce 4Ti. The Rage 128, Radeon 7500, and GEForce 2MX(non Twin View) support only a single display.

A lot of the more common G5 cards also have DVI+ADC. Offhand, the FX5200, Radeon 9600XT, and the X800/X850 have ADC+DVI. Of these three, the 9600XT is readily adapted to work in a G4(4x AGP) but requires some additional work to get power to the ADC port.

Just thought I would add to that list there was the BTO option for the FW800 MDD witch was the ATI Radeon 9700 Pro it was ADC and DVI (and the only core image card that shipped with a G4 tower) and there was also the Geforce 3 witch I think is also ADC and DVI

 

[bobesch]

Tried to fire-up the Quicksilver last night. Nothing happened at all.
Certainly the power-adapter is dead.
I'm really disappointed since it's a nice MDD model and I had been looking forward to run it with the 4 acrylic displays.
Would have been a beautiful setting.
Puff ...
**** happens - to get any replacement seems to be too much effort and expense just now...