A terrorist would be an idiot to keep important data in their phone even if it was a highly secure iPhone. Apparently, many terrorist are idiots.
5th amendment bro. Read it.
A terrorist would be an idiot to keep important data in their phone even if it was a highly secure iPhone. Apparently, many terrorist are idiots.
Weird, it's almost like agreeing with laws against the theft of IP doesn't mean you agree with the legal system on everything else.
And everything found is not allowed to be used in court if there was no search warrant. Plus read up how to turn off both TouchID and FaceID by pressing the right buttons (without having to take your phone out of your pocket).Is it not much easier to simply point the iPhone and unlock it and get access using FaceID? According to reports your consent is not required unlike for TouchID fingerprint. That sounds like sort of a loophole for security. TouchID apart from convenience provides better protection because fingerprint patterns are harder to replicate if not impossible.
This is not about changes in the operating system. This is doing things before the operating system runs. When you turn your phone on, and the lock screen appears, that's where this device has to get in to try thousands of passcodes quickly without the phone slowing it down. Normally, if you enter the passcode five or six times, there's a delay until you can enter the next passcode, and at ten attempts it's over an hour. And that is what GrayKey managed to get around somehow.Couldn't it just be that Apple made changes to the OS that GrayKey doesn't know about? Apple did lots of optimizing to make iOS 12 run faster and more efficiently. That would involve lots of changes.
In that case, the prosecution lawyer was an idiot. Unlocking the phone is _not_ incriminating yourself, _if_ the police knows it is his phone, and the unlocking is done to find the photos. If it wasn't known whose phone it is, and the defendant says "it's not my phone", _then_ it is self incriminating because if he can unlock the phone, then that is evidence that he's the one who took the photos, which the police didn't know before.Reminds me of a local incident that got dropped because the police were unable to unlock the persons iphone and Apple refused to help. Basically, a local woman was sexually assaulted after a night out. The woman reported it to police. The man involved was arrested. He denied it and said everything was consensual, which the woman saying was not true, so basically it being a case of his word against her's. There was no CCTV but apparently, according to the woman's statement to police, he took some photo's of the assault on his iphone and is to have allegedly bragged about it to some friends on whatsapp.
The man's lawyer said his client will not unlock the iphone because he would be incriminating himself, so the police turned to Apple, who said they could not help. Without no other evidence, no witnesses and none of his friends admitting to receiving anything on their phones from the man, the prosecution lawyer dropped the case due to lack of evidence.
It makes me wonder how many times scenarios like this have played out across the world due to Apple refusing to unlock an iphone.
True. If privacy threatened the life of my family, then I wouldn't make a rational decision about this. As it is, I think privacy improves the life of my family.There is not a single person in here who would defend the freedom of privacy if such privacy threatened the lives of their family.
You should go to Apple's website where they explain how this works. Encryption and all that. And please tell me, why would Apple _want_ to be unlock an iPhone? Apple is much better off if they can't. They don't have to give free help to the police, and if you forget your passcode, you have to buy a new phone. All good for Apple. What advantage would Apple have? Please tell us.Just because i do not know how Apple procedures work, i do know how electronics work and for Apple to claim they are not able to unlock an iphone is pure BS. Anyone that believes otherwise has been suckered in by Apple.
1. Using that in your passphrase is no evidence that you beat your wife. It's a passphrase, and a particularly stupid one, but not a confession.So if one's passphrase contains "I beat my wife”....
If the police comes to your home with a search warrant and breaks the door open, that is not breaking the 5th amendment. If they ask you to unlock the safe, that's not breaking the 5th amendment. If they have a search warrant and ask you to unlock your phone to find evidence stored on the phone, finding the evidence on the phone does not break the 5th amendment.No you can’t. No matter how many times you reply to me the truth is that you can not be forced to break the 5th amendment. Any court that does is breaking the law.
Again, you admit you know nothing about how Apple operates but insist that they must do things like everyone else. So, to paraphrase what you said: I don’t care what anyone says, iOS is obviously just another version of Android—it has to be since I know how other phones work and they all use Android so Apple is lying about iOS being different; it’s pure BS
So, the FBI, various US courts, US government, engineers, hackers, companies who stake their very existence on being able to forensically crack and dump data on suspects' phones, foreign courts, foreign law enforcement, foreign governments—including those who don’t care about their citizens' privacy, like China—they’ve all been suckered by Apple, but you know better?
All the access to underlying technologies doesn’t really matter if the data is encrypted and the key is unknown.
Exactly that. GrayKey seems to allow police (or criminals) to check passcodes at a high rate, and this seems to not work anymore with iOS 12. The normal behaviour is delays starting at 5 attempts, up to two hours after ten attempts, and you can opt for erasure in "Settings". The delay is useful if you don't want your "friends" to erase your phone as a prank; it takes at least four hours to erase it because new passcodes are not accepted without long delays.Tbh security of the iPhone is pretty much the only thing that would make me switch from android. That said, on my phone after so many failed attempts to unlock it it automatically erases itself, doesn't iPhone do that to? Or does the GreyKey override that feature?
Then someone makes a tiny device that mimics this GrayKey device and erases people's phone as a prank. And really, I don't want police to be able to erase my phone at will. I want them to return my phone undamaged without reading its contents.Not really, if it were top notch, the phone would automatically do a secure erase when it detects it has been plugged into one of these devices. That would be top notch security.
That's true, but you can be forced to unlock your phone. You can insist that nobody watches you while unlocking the phone and writes down your passcode.Not sure, what the date is on this, but I believe the supreme court has already ruled that you can't be forced to give a password.
Not sure, what the date is on this, but I believe the supreme court has already ruled that you can't be forced to give a password.
But here's the simple solution if they do try and force you: "I forgot what my password is, sorry."
...and then pray that Grayshift's security and that of every place who leases/owns a copy has no one who is dishonest and has better security that Apple, on 1/millionth the budget.
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You are right, the caselaw is unsettled with regard to whether providing a passcode can violate the 5th amendment's protections on self incrimination.
I think eventually it will be settled that it is self-incriminating, but that is by no means clear. Right now, the 11th Circuit says it is protected (https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/opiniondoe22312.pdf), the 3rd Circuit is slightly distinguished but relied upon the 11th Circuits reasoning ("Apple macpro" - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...Third-Circuit-Opinion-3-20-2017.pdf?tid=a_inl ).
The Federal Courts of appeal have so far agreed on the standard, eventually one hopes that it will be well decided law.
If my passcode is: IDidIt
Maybe that would qualify without question.
Did you miss the part where Apple can not unlock the phone because Apple does not have the passcode or the decryption key? Apple designs the phone and iCloud in such a way that it is in no position to “help.” That’s why the fbi tried to sue them to force them to create a special version of iOS to crack phones.
If the police comes to your home with a search warrant and breaks the door open, that is not breaking the 5th amendment. If they ask you to unlock the safe, that's not breaking the 5th amendment. If they have a search warrant and ask you to unlock your phone to find evidence stored on the phone, finding the evidence on the phone does not break the 5th amendment.
Only if your ability to unlock the phone is in itself incriminating (because they didn't know you had access to the phone, and unlocking it proves you had), then they can't ask you to unlock it.